Speculation: What would you pay Larkin on an extension?

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

So you'd be comfortable and would feel good if the Wings made the playoffs one day and Larkin would have to go up against anyone like Mathews, Crosby, Barkov, Bergeron, Backstrom, Zibanejad, Point and the rest?
And that's just the East.
Regular season is soft, compared to how he has to elevate his game to even match up with these guys at 1C.

It's cool that we have a boatload of picks and cash and time until that happens, huh? It's almost like even if we signed him to 9M we could still add players who are better at hockey than him. Like Tampa had Stamkos and Callahan and Palat and Gourde. That didn't stop them adding Point, did it? Or having Hedman didn't prevent them from adding Sergachev, McDonagh, or Cernak.

Dylan Larkin played 1 year in the playoffs on a completely dogshit roster that was a nail to Tampa's hammer. How about we don't act like we know what Dylan Larkin will do in the playoffs, eh?

Crosby is gonna be riding into the sunset here soon. Bergeron and Backstrom too. If the Wings junk Larkin, now they've gotta find a 1C AND a 2C. There is no way that booting Larkin out the door helps the rebuild. Now, you don't give him something bonkers like 11M, that would hurt the rebuild bad, but just yikes.

 

[Shaman464]

If he gets a 2C as good those guys have, ya.

Larkin would be the second line center to literally any of those players.

 

[Shaman464]

It's cool that we have a boatload of picks and cash and time until that happens, huh? It's almost like even if we signed him to 9M we could still add players who are better at hockey than him. Like Tampa had Stamkos and Callahan and Palat and Gourde. That didn't stop them adding Point, did it? Or having Hedman didn't prevent them from adding Sergachev, McDonagh, or Cernak.

Dylan Larkin played 1 year in the playoffs on a completely dogshit roster that was a nail to Tampa's hammer. How about we don't act like we know what Dylan Larkin will do in the playoffs, eh?

Crosby is gonna be riding into the sunset here soon. Bergeron and Backstrom too. If the Wings junk Larkin, now they've gotta find a 1C AND a 2C. There is no way that booting Larkin out the door helps the rebuild. Now, you don't give him something bonkers like 11M, that would hurt the rebuild bad, but just yikes.

Tampa isn't a great example because they got really lucky with Kuch riding the pine until playoff time and still coming back ready to dominate.

As for Larkin, y'all are going all in on the fallacy of sunk costs. Just because the Wings have put time and effort into developing Larkin and they currently have anyone to replace him doesn't mean its wise to overpay him. Its become painfully clear based on media reports that Detroit doesn't see him as their number 1 center. So paying him money that a number 1 center would make is dumb as hell. Either they get him for what they believe he's worth or they need to move on.

 

[norrisnick]

Larkin would be the second line center to literally any of those players.

Only two of them are even the best forwards on their own team. Let Larkin play with some wingers way better than he is and then judge him.

 

[Shaman464]

Only two of them are even the best forwards on their own team.

So what? They are all still better than Larkin. If he got a 2nd line center as good as any of those players he would be the 3rd line center on that team and definitely shouldn't be making anywhere near 9 million a season.

 

[StargateSG1]

Only two of them are even the best forwards on their own team. Let Larkin play with some wingers way better than he is and then judge him.

Like on the US National team?

 

[norrisnick]

Like on the US National team?

International hockey means f*** all.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I think all of these things are pretty reasonable

So Horvat will sign 8M as a UFA with Detroit? Which would be less than Larkin and he is arguably better? And in the open market coming to the Wings? And he would do this why again?

 

[Filppula]

All this talk about whether Larkin is a 1C and his point totals, he hasn’t has any elite wingers alongside him. Hard to put up giddy point totals with that restriction. To me is a 1C, albeit on the lower end of the scale, but he is a legit 1C. I’d be happy to go 8x8, although I think he wants 9. I just don’t know where this elite winger is coming from, certainly not in the pipeline.

 

[tbc2008]

To all of you thinking a 9 million multi year contract for Larkin is a massive overpay.

Which (much better) No. 1 (elite) center comes to your mind who would Mr. Y be able to convince to sign a 9 million multi-year deal here next July (and start a new rebuild) if we let Larkin walk away??

I don't think there will be many, honestly I can't think of one that would be willing to play for this team an would be an real upgrade over Larkin.

And going into next season with Rasmussen and Copp as our 1 and 2 center isn't an option to consider...

So give Larks the money he deserve (im ok with a 8,5 - 9 million range), he loves "his" team, "his" city, he plays his ass off every night...he's a role model for the young guys...what more are you asking for??

Better ask Stevie to sign an elite winger this off season and you'll see that Larks easily can be a real No. 1 center.

Sure 9 million is a lot of money, but these 9 million won't get us any center better than Larkin (in the same age range to build a playoff team around)...he's the best option (talent wise AND for sure by heart and soul)...

 

[JediOrderPizza]

All this talk about whether Larkin is a 1C and his point totals, he hasn’t has any elite wingers alongside him. Hard to put up giddy point totals with that restriction. To me is a 1C, albeit on the lower end of the scale, but he is a legit 1C. I’d be happy to go 8x8, although I think he wants 9. I just don’t know where this elite winger is coming from, certainly not in the pipeline.

Raymond.

 

[Ezekial]

The Skinner who is over a PPG this season? Dude had 2 meme seasons but overall he's been a guy who can score 35-40 goals in 82 games.

Still a god awful contract at the time and into now.

Helps having Tage Thompson explode next to him, doesn't it?

 

[Shaman464]

To all of you thinking a 9 million multi year contract for Larkin is a massive overpay.

Which (much better) No. 1 (elite) center comes to your mind who would Mr. Y be able to convince to sign a 9 million multi-year deal here next July (and start a new rebuild) if we let Larkin walk away??

I don't think there will be many, honestly I can't think of one that would be willing to play for this team an would be an real upgrade over Larkin.

And going into next season with Rasmussen and Copp as our 1 and 2 center isn't an option to consider...

So give Larks the money he deserve (im ok with a 8,5 - 9 million range), he loves "his" team, "his" city, he plays his ass off every night...he's a role model for the young guys...what more are you asking for??

Better ask Stevie to sign an elite winger this off season and you'll see that Larks easily can be a real No. 1 center.

Sure 9 million is a lot of money, but these 9 million won't get us any center better than Larkin (in the same age range to build a playoff team around)...he's the best option (talent wise AND for sure by heart and soul)...

Reasons to not overpay someone:

1. Because you don't think you can do better

2. Because he "deserves it" for reasons other than on ice results.

3. Because if only Stevie could pull an elite winger out of his ass. Even though said magical hockey player containing ass doesn't have an elite center in it.

You hit the trifecta of nonsense talking points.

What actually matters is paying him based on where his on ice results put him in relation to the rest of the league. Paying him 9 million a season would make him top 30 highest paid NHL player. He's been consistently outside the top 50 when it comes to production and his intangibles aren't Toews level. Until he can play like a top 30 player he doesn't get top 30 player salary.

 

[StargateSG1]

All this talk about whether Larkin is a 1C and his point totals, he hasn’t has any elite wingers alongside him. Hard to put up giddy point totals with that restriction. To me is a 1C, albeit on the lower end of the scale, but he is a legit 1C. I’d be happy to go 8x8, although I think he wants 9. I just don’t know where this elite winger is coming from, certainly not in the pipeline.

Perhaps there should be a conversation of the true 1C center making the wingers around him better, as opposed to waiting for wingers to make Larkin even sniff 100 points some day?

 

[Filppula]

Perhaps there should be a conversation of the true 1C center making the wingers around him better, as opposed to waiting for wingers to make Larkin even sniff 100 points some day?

He does make the wingers around him better. Absolutely he does. Raymond is young and improving, outside him, what else is there?

 

[SoupGuru]

"Why does Holland just give sweet contracts to the hometown favorites!? It's terrible and saddles the team with awful contacts!"

"Also, why doesn't Yzerman give sweet contracts to hometown favorites?!"

 

[kliq]

Perhaps there should be a conversation of the true 1C center making the wingers around him better, as opposed to waiting for wingers to make Larkin even sniff 100 points some day?

A 1C and and an elite C are not the same thing. Larkin is a 1Cc he’s just not elite.

 

[StargateSG1]

A 1C and and an elite C are not the same thing. Larkin is a 1Cc he’s just not elite.

You know.. This whole damn thread can basically be summed up
as "He is, no he is not", with public evenly split between.
Let's just leave it to Yzerman to decide what he is.

 

[Ulysses31]

SY knows and the TML biggest mistake was creating a culture of paying out stars in full. IMO a lot is on the line here, the 500 000 or 1 000 000 that are staaling Larkin signing will set the tone for all future middle-upper tier DRW UFAS and RFAS. if they pay out larkin 9 mil plus DRW could be stuck in TML land; a great team that could be greater in their GM had a pair (that said DRW would be lucky AF to ever have the talent TML currently have).

I said this earlier and I stand by it that SY is ready to let larkin walk if he doesnt play ball.

 

[StargateSG1]

SY knows and the TML biggest mistake was creating a culture of paying out stars in full. IMO a lot is on the line here, the 500 000 or 1 000 000 that are staaling Larkin signing will set the tone for all future middle-upper tier DRW UFAS and RFAS. if they pay out larkin 9 mil plus DRW could be stuck in TML land; a great team that could be greater in their GM had a pair (that said DRW would be lucky AF to ever have the talent TML currently have).

I said this earlier and I stand by it that SY is ready to let larkin walk if he doesnt play ball.

What in the hell does TML mean?

 

[Shaman464]

What in the hell does TML mean?

Toronto Maple Leafs

 

[StargateSG1]

Toronto Maple Leafs

Oh, thanks...
But Jeez
They tried to buy the Cup win in the 90s and 00s, cause they have unlimited resources.
Didn't work well.
That was before the Salary Cap.
Doesn't even work in soccer, when PSG or Manchester City tries buying Champions League every year, with unlimited resources.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

So Horvat will sign 8M as a UFA with Detroit? Which would be less than Larkin and he is arguably better? And in the open market coming to the Wings? And he would do this why again?

Because he grew up a wings fan, it’s close to home, and we are up and coming with tons of young talent run by one of the best GMs?.. not sure why you feel so strongly It won’t happen

 

[sxvnert]

Helps having Tage Thompson explode next to him, doesn't it?

Having someone to play with and not buried on the fourth line playing some insane defensive system.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

"Why does Holland just give sweet contracts to the hometown favorites!? It's terrible and saddles the team with awful contacts!"

"Also, why doesn't Yzerman give sweet contracts to hometown favorites?!"

Who the hell is promoting giving Larkin a sweet contract? Damn near everyone that wants to sign him is basically in lockstep with Yzerman's valuation. 8-8.5m x8.

Larkin and Pat Brisson want to get every dollar that they can while staying in Detroit. If they can get 9.5Mx8, they're gonna fight to do that. That's why it's taking so long.

People don't want to give Larkin 70 million or so because he's a hometown guy and a nice dude. Those are bonuses, but he's going to get that money because he's very good at hockey.

There is a huge f***in difference between Darren Helm getting 5x3.85 to play wing very badly or Abdelkader getting 7x4.5 because one year Pavel Datsyuk decided to use him as a backboard to score off and paying the one guy on your front lines who would undoubtedly fit into a high quality line on whatever team you put him on. Dylan Larkin is not Connor McDavid or Leon Draisaitl or Nathan Mackinnon. We're also talking about him making at a maximum about 60% of MacKinnon's salary. No matter what he gets, he's going to make less than those guys on UFA deals. As soon as Draisaitl is up for a deal, he's getting a massive raise.

8-9M is the price you pay for a guy like Dylan Larkin. That's not elite 1C money. Any 1Cs getting 8-9M? They signed those deals as RFAs.