WillyC
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Giving RFAs Matthews and Marner UFA contracts.
Speculation: What was this Teams biggest mistake?
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I don't care about the rest...
Does playoff performance matter or not? You can't have it both ways.
Assuming you will ignore this question or be a hypocrite and cite something that happened after he left.
I mean it's signing Taveres and blowing up the salary structure, Dubas isn't wrong about that at least. If you want to take that up a level and call it letting Lou go and hiring Dubas, then I won't argue it.
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Signing an aging Marleau caused downstream issues and may have set a bad example to a young impressionable couple.
Good one too. We hear whispers of his influence that make you wonder.
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Tavares was UFA.
His contract should not have been any part of RFA signings.
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Sure they could have done without him and Dubas made the mistake worse no doubt but that can't qualify as the biggest mistake.
No, it shouldn't have, but it did, I think. Mitchy and Matty and their camps came marching in saying we are younger and already better then Mr. Eleven Million over there, we should make more then him. Hard point to argue against at that time.
Getting out of that contract certainly was some level of divine intervention.
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Maybe we don’t get Mcdavid, but we could’ve gotten eichel who is/was clearly a better player especially when he was on Buffalo
Kaprizov, Rantanen, Aho, Eichel are all Marner level players. He isn’t the second or third, he’s around 4-6th.
It would’ve helped a lot to improve our odds and who knows what would’ve happened then.
The leafs didn’t let Andersen walk. He didn’t want to be a maple leaf anymore. We saw in the documentary, he straight up didn’t want to play. How can you bring a guy a like that back into the locker room. Do or die playoff and he was okay with not playing.
The core 3 forwards were drafted BPA. There’s nothing Lou or Dubas really could have done about that. And the leafs hit correctly on those picks. where the leafs shit the bed was the supplemental picks in 2015/2016 where they truly could have built a more balanced core and it would have been easier to trade a core piece.
Taken one of Konecny, Aho or Carlo with our extra picks in 2015.
Korshkov over Debrincat/Lindgren in 2016
We needed to keep Lou Lamoriello as GM.
Toronto was too big of a spotlight for dubas and he ruined the potential we had by trying to be bros with the players.
Do you understand how a lottery works? You could tank and still end up with the 4th pick. Edmonton wasn’t even the worst team and got McDavid. So I’m not really understanding this tank harder because it wouldn’t haven’t guaranteed anything.
And Eichel was better than Marner on Buffalo? I rather have Marner than Eichel tbh. Kaprizov there’s an argument there. But id go McDavid, Rantanen, Marner, Kaprizov. I’d even take Aho ahead of Eichel.
Nice to have yet another thinly disguised Marner contract thread.
Almost like it’s the elephant in the room!
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It's a good question, if we can keep this out of deteriorating into a Lou vs Dubas (and now vs Dubas) debate.
- I feel like signing Marleau to a three-year deal was a big mistake. I liked the signing but never liked the third year. Know, what did it cost us? Seth Jarvis, possibly. Would we have drafted Amirov in that slot anyway? Would we have got them both? No one knows, but that third year on Patty hurt us big time.
- Letting Hyman walk. I was Ok with at the time and for a while I even thought Bunting was a good replacement. It's not just about the 50+ goals last year, if is also about keeping the right kind of players and building continuity in the program. It's hard to argue that we wouldn't have been better off with Hyman and two lower cost free agents, instead of Kampf, Ritchie, and Mrazek. We could have had Hyman, Bunting and any goalie...Mrazek, of course cost us a trade down out of the first round a year later.
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Marner and Matthews were seemingly adopted by Marleau, his wife Christine, and their four hockey-playing sons. They were frequent visitors for dinners and other events at the Marleau house. “It was good too see that,” said Matthews. Oct 25, 2023
With so many youngsters shaping up the Leafs core, Marleau was an important figure to have on the team, as an experienced veteran, a proven offensive threat, and a mentor. His relationship with young superstars Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner was particularly noted. Jun 22, 2019
Matthews honours Marleau with All-star game tribute.
Auston Matthews wows San Jose crowd by unveiling Marleau jersey
They may no longer be teammates, but they will remain friends forever. Or family… father/son… whatever. While there are many veteran/newcomer relationships in professional sports, this one was particularly special. If you don’t believe us, just take a look at a few of these highlights.
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Tanking increases the odds, doesn’t make it perfect but gives you a better chance. Moreover we’d maybe have gotten a better return for kessel if dealt earlier, we should’ve sold some other pieces to get more draft capital and maybe not end up with marner + bracco + dermott. That team was unremarkable at best, there should’ve been 0 attempt at making the playoffs when we had just drafted 8th overall last year
If you tank to last you get eichel, a better player is that hard?
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What has Lou shown since leaving that you think this was a good idea?
I don't expect this to get much of a response...
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imo this was the plan. create a scenario where we have a surplus of top offensive talent to be able to attract a trade from another team for one of there top Defensive talents. something we had seen happen in the past with the Ryjo/Jones deal. Tavares signing was our chance to replace say a Kadri/Nylander who would be dealt in that scenario for free.
unfortunately Kadri did what he did and they felt forced to move him the following off season and now if they still got a quality top 4 guy in return they would have been fine instead that trade was a disaster. and that to me is the biggest failure of the current team because if that trade was for a quality Dmen who was a long term top 4 guy for us that would have changed a lot of the future moves. Barrie was a complete disaster tho.
