Gabriel426
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I know, it was a jokeAll players are paid in US dollars but obviously taxed at different rates
I know, it was a jokeAll players are paid in US dollars but obviously taxed at different rates
No, but 5 is less than 6, and 10.55m x 5 is worse than 10.9m x 6.So $10.9M is less than $10.55M?
Are you aware that the more you spin the less sense you make?No, but 5 is less than 6, and 10.55m x 5 is worse than 10.9m x 6.
Dubas overstocking on the small marginal skill was always so infuriating to me. I would have been curious to hear the pro scouting meetings about guys like Petan and Malgin and actually figure out what they wanted from these guys best case scenario, likely scenario, worst case scenario.
Should Matthews be given a free pass for being non-physical?
You can accept 170 lb. players aren't going to be wrecking balls, but the shouldn't the guys with the physical ability and supposed leaders not be held to a higher standard?
Not really sure what you're not understanding about this. Term matters. The contract we signed was better than a 10.55m x 5 year contract would have been.Are you aware that the more you spin the less sense you make?
Giving a longer term is supposed to mean a lower AAV.Not really sure what you're not understanding about this. Term matters. The contract we signed was better than a 10.55m x 5 year contract would have been.
How would one truly know without a reliable history of offer sheets sent but never signed? Has a team ever even admitted to sending out an offer sheet that went nowhere?Yes. I'm not sure how you're surprised that every single offer sheet ever given out hasn't been signed.
Marner signed right after getting excoriated by Jeff O'Neil. Then when Marner put out a video trying to repair his public image that was poorly received, the buyout story conveniently came out. Marner claimed he didn't "ask for too many details" of any offer sheet. Is that believable from any player?I'm not. I'm suggesting that you should believe Marner explicitly confirming what happened to Marner.
Nice hedge on the reply, which means in reality you took that literally. I knew you would. Thanks for coming through.I'm assuming this is a failed attempt at a joke, but you can't offer sheet an ELC, you can't offer sheet your own player, and you can't separate bonuses into a different contract.
Seems logical that Marner wanted a 6th year so he could see what Matthews would get. Going back to what his agent said in 2019...He didn't pay a premium. He paid a normal amount. And because Marner wanted to be here, they were able to get there through respectful negotiation, without Marner forcing a worse contract on us. We were able to negotiate a 6th year that prevented all 3 core RFA contracts expiring at the same time.
No JT this time, but it would stand to reason that Marner plans to use the recent Matthews deal as the basis for his next deal here.Ferris told First Up that Marner looked to Maple Leafs centres Auston Matthews and John Tavares as comparable contracts while he negotiated, rather than comparing himself to players around the league.
We all knew Dubas caved, it was all over the news. The media and fans were furious when it was leaked that Marner turned down that lofty $10 million x 7 offer by the Leafs, and shortly after that, the deal got done. But instead of sticking to that deal, Dubas bent and raised the AAV by $0.93 million...oh baby, Marner gonna be Dougie now... ...and shortened the term by 1 year...and also gave away all the concessions, like huge July 1st signing bonuses. It's ridiculous how weak Dubas is...letting an RFA bent him over that hard.Giving a longer term is supposed to mean a lower AAV.
Just more proof that Dubas really messed it up.
You're spinning so badly you just proved he's even worse. Thanks.
I feel like it all comes down to Marner being resentful he was never treated like Auston Matthews, who was a first overall pick franchise center.
Anyone expecting to be paid schedule b bonuses as a top entry level draftee should be accused of wanting to be treated like McDavid instead of Matthews because it sounds worse for them.Yes, all players should play for as little as allowed under the CBA, but only in Toronto, and they should do it because the people who never had any significant money or haven't won anything of importance are telling them that money is not important, and only winning is, even though taking minimal money does not guarantee a win.
Lmao, what? The argument that you're going with is that buying up more prime UFA years on a post-ELC contract lowers the AAV? That's certainly a new one.Giving a longer term is supposed to mean a lower AAV.
Marner was at best 9.5 x 8 player when signed his last contract. Dubas said no you are not and gave him more $ and less term.Giving a longer term is supposed to mean a lower AAV.
Just more proof that Dubas really messed it up.
You're spinning so badly you just proved he's even worse. Thanks.
Well, a player is directly telling you, for one, but you appear to be claiming that he's a liar based on nothing. There have also been occasional reports, like the one that suggested Point rejected an offer sheet in the same year. How have you come to the conclusion that every offer sheet ever given out has been signed, and not signing is not a possibility?How would one truly know without a reliable history of offer sheets sent but never signed?
Buyout? What are you even talking about? Marner signed in camp, around the time a bunch of others signed as well. It's wild that you think anybody cared about Jeff O'Neil getting hot and bothered the previous week. The reports of offer sheets had been circulating for months prior to any of that, for the record.Marner signed right after getting excoriated by Jeff O'Neil. Then when Marner put out a video trying to repair his public image that was poorly received, the buyout story conveniently came out.
Yes, for a player that's not very involved in the negotiations and not interested in going the offer sheet route at that time.Marner claimed he didn't "ask for too many details" of any offer sheet. Is that believable from any player?
No, I just wanted to make sure you understood why your joke doesn't work, because if you knew, I imagine you wouldn't have attempted it.Nice hedge on the reply, which means in reality you took that literally.
Not only is it not logical, or consistent with reports at the time, but he wouldn't even need 6 years to see what Matthews would get anyway. He knew what Matthews was getting 4 years into his contract, and was guaranteed to know by 5 years in.Seems logical that Marner wanted a 6th year so he could see what Matthews would get.
And it was all just done completely arbitrarily by Lou?Anyone expecting to be paid schedule b bonuses as a top entry level draftee should be accused of wanting to be treated like McDavid instead of Matthews because it sounds worse for them.
Forget about who actually gets them. We are about outrageous character assassination instead of fair assessment after all.
Anyone expecting to be paid schedule b bonuses as a top entry level draftee should be accused of wanting to be treated like McDavid instead of Matthews because it sounds worse for them.
Forget about who actually gets them. We are about outrageous character assassination instead of fair assessment after all.
But yeah lets just ignore that a 10.55m x 5 offersheet is a pure figment of his imagination. Great thing to base a whole argument around. Guess we just don't have to bother providing evidence for anything nowadays when one's looking to lick Dubie's taint.
And it was all just done completely arbitrarily by Lou?
I really think the better question to ask is why he did that when he apparently gave Matthews his without debate. Was there a rift in the relations between the two? Attitude issue by Marner? Lou just being an oldhead dumbass?
I think it was your boy who mixed up post-ELC with UFA, giving UFA amounts in RFA contracts.Lmao, what? The argument that you're going with is that buying up more prime UFA years on a post-ELC contract lowers the AAV? That's certainly a new one.
You're either mixing up post-ELC and UFA contracts, or you're just throwing anything at the wall to avoid admitting that you were wrong about the offer sheet.
I look forward to the moment you realize that your argument would actually make the contracts spectacular.
He should have moved on from his Agent after the last contract, be interesting to find out why he hasn’t. He’s made him a lot of money but he hasn’t done Marner any favours.Sure, until you remember Darren Farris came out and made a public stink about contract negotiations right after Auston Matthews was re-signed.
Which he had to walk back quickly because of optics:
Marner agent tries to walk back divisive comments following Matthews deal
Mitch Marner's agent wasn't completely honest again when attempting to walk back his comments following Auston Matthews' deal with the Maple Leafs.ca.sports.yahoo.com
Divisive and resentful vibes have been part of Marner camp from early days.
I think dumbass is likely.But yeah lets just ignore that a 10.55m x 5 offersheet is a pure figment of his imagination. Great thing to base a whole argument around. Guess we just don't have to bother providing evidence for anything nowadays when one's looking to lick Dubie's taint.
And it was all just done completely arbitrarily by Lou?
I really think the better question to ask is why he did that when he apparently gave Matthews his without debate. Was there a rift in the relations between the two? Attitude issue by Marner? Lou just being an oldhead dumbass?
But dekes said he gave him more money and more term, which was a bargain.Marner was at best 9.5 x 8 player when signed his last contract. Dubas said no you are not and gave him more $ and less term.
Imagine he was just looking to be a good team member and not cause waves so early when told no one would be getting them. I know some need to hate everything about the player but you don’t see how someone would feel slighted by that?It would have been fairly self explanatory that Auston Matthews was a more prestigious prospect coming into the organization and would have held more leverage. He also came from a more “unique” background having turned pro in Switzerland instead of playing junior or college hockey like a normal prospect his age.
This also ignores one more detail. If the Schedule B’s were so critical to Marner, why not just refuse to sign the ELC and stand your ground on day one?
He should have moved on from his Agent after the last contract, be interesting to find out why he hasn’t. He’s made him a lot of money but he hasn’t done Marner any favours.
Imagine he was just looking to be a good team member and not cause waves so early when told no one would be getting them. I know some need to hate everything about the player but you don’t see how someone would feel slighted by that?
Good question. He signed it in the middle of the summer, so maybe there was a little bit of negotiation, but clearly no sign of any conflict back then. So why have that and then all of a sudden turn the negotiations into a toxic mess on the second go-around?This also ignores one more detail. If the Schedule B’s were so critical to Marner, why not just refuse to sign the ELC and stand your ground on day one?