What to make of Logan Couture?

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Oh, sorry for thinking this was a thread about Couture. I don't know how I could have missed it being disguised as an anti-Crosby thread. How silly of me.

Anyways, as for my actual point (which literally has nothing to do with Crosby): you actually have to "lap the field" to with the Smythe on the losing team. It's most valuable. Not most points. If your teams loses, how valuable were you?

If you want to argue someone else on the Pens should have won it. Fine. Make a thread about that topic. Don't come in here saying Couture got snubbed because Crosby. Couture didn't win the trophy because his team didn't win the cup. Plain and simple.

I guarantee you OP doesn't make this thread about Couture getting snubbed in 2016 if Kessel had won the Smythe. And I'm confident you don't reply to my post with, "Kessel scored 2 fewer points than Burns" either.

This entire discussion started because a Penguins fan came in here whining about Couture’s whining and then suggesting that Crosby was better in 2016 because of a Cup and a Smythe. All I have said is that his reputation was better and his team was better but he was not actually better.

Now you’re saying Couture didn’t deserve the Conn Smythe in 2016 because he only out-scored his team’s defenseman by 6 points. And I am reminding you that same defenseman also out-scored Conn Smythe winner Crosby by 5 points. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[illpucks]

CS is for most valuable player of the playoffs. There's a reason why the losing team has only had the CS winner a handful of times ever. It's hard to argue they were more valuable than someone on the winning team. You actually have to "lap the field" to win it from the losing side. Scoring 6 more points than a defensman on your own losing team hardly qualifies as "lapping the field".

Let's not pretend like he got snubbed.

Dude, Sidney Crosby 19 points
Logan Couture 30 points

11 point difference, and yes there is an argument that he was snubbed. When was the last time a forward was awarded a CS despite being 11 points behind the leader?

 

[Barrie22]

Dude, Sidney Crosby 19 points
Logan Couture 30 points

11 point difference, and yes there is an argument that he was snubbed. When was the last time a forward was awarded a CS despite being 11 points behind the leader?

When was the last time a player won it while being 5 points back of his own teammate?

 

[The National]

This guys buzzin out there no doubt about that. I’d love him on my team, but that face...

 

[one2gamble]

I don't cheer for Butthead often

lmao....nailed it

 

[illpucks]

When was the last time a player won it while being 5 points back of his own teammate?

When's the last time a forward won the CS finishing 11 points back of the scoring leader, and 3rd in points on his own team? You didn't answer the question.

 

[wetcoast]

Yeah, if you think winning games 37-54 has the same importance as winning a playoff game. I'll take the guy who is elite in the playoffs.

Of course there is a difference but he simply isn't an elite player.

No shame in being a very good NHL player.

 

[Barrie22]

When's the last time a forward won the CS finishing 11 points back of the scoring leader, and 3rd in points on his own team? You didn't answer the question.

I don't need to answer anything lol.

 

[KPower]

13 goals, closing in on the record of 19 shared by Kurri and Leach.

 

[SjMilhouse]

Couture is destroying Thornton's legacy one playoff at a time. This is what a super star looks like when all the chips are on the table. His PPG goes up and he puts the team on his back.

 

[Honeycutt]

He is really really good

 

[kladorf2005]

Dude, Sidney Crosby 19 points
Logan Couture 30 points

11 point difference, and yes there is an argument that he was snubbed. When was the last time a forward was awarded a CS despite being 11 points behind the leader?

The truth comes out!

MODS: OP just admitted this is an anti-Crosby thread disguised as a Couture thread. I think it's safe to shut this down now

OP: when was the last time a player on the losing team won it? when was the last time a non-goalie on the losing time won it? if you want to make a thread arguing for Kessel or anyone else on the winning team, then go right ahead. but Couture wasn't snubbed. his team lost.

The Smythe isn't an award for the best player. It's an award for the most valuable. Those two things are not the same. You aren't exactly valuable if you didn't win, now are you?

Get over it already. You don't hear Pens fans crying about the 2013 Hart. So stop crying about the 2016 Smythe. And stop trying to disguise your whining as a Couture thread when everyone knows what it really is.

 

[kladorf2005]

This entire discussion started because a Penguins fan came in here whining about Couture’s whining and then suggesting that Crosby was better in 2016 because of a Cup and a Smythe. All I have said is that his reputation was better and his team was better but he was not actually better.

Now you’re saying Couture didn’t deserve the Conn Smythe in 2016 because he only out-scored his team’s defenseman by 6 points. And I am reminding you that same defenseman also out-scored Conn Smythe winner Crosby by 5 points. You can’t have it both ways.

I never said anything to the contrary. What I did say is that the Smythe is awarded to the most valuable player. Not the best player.

How can you be the most valuable player when your team lost, your team had 4 of the top 5 scorers of the playoffs, and one of those was a D-man? He didn't exactly put the team on his back and carry them to the 6th game of the Cup Finals. He had plenty of help. So did Crosby. The difference is that Crosby's team won. So the award rightfully went to someone on the winning team since the losing team had a handful of top guys. Not just one.

Again, if you want to argue that a different Pen should have won, then that's fine. I won't dispute that at all. But to argue that Couture should have won an award for most valuable (not best) when his team lost is laughable. And we all know that's exactly what OP is doing

 

[Note Worthy]

He's a beast. What else can you say.

 

[Jaleel619]

Probably a lot has to do with playing 2C for most of his career, and nobody outshines Joe Thornton.

 

[one2gamble]

How can you be the most valuable player when your team lost,

thats easy, they wouldnt have even gotten there without him

 

[bleedblue1223]

He's the anti Joe Thornton.

 

[Laodongxi]

Thoroughbred.

He does kinda resemble a horse.

 

[Mikeshane]

When they were talking about how great of a playoff performer he is it reminded me that he's another guy that got burned by the NHL not going to the Olympics. With his overall sustained playoff success and his outstanding performance in the 2016 playoffs he would have been on the 2018 team for sure.

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[Scorofeyev]

 

[Captain And Coke]

Is Cooch actually his nickname to Sharks fans? When I hear or see the word cooch, something completely different comes to mind.

 

[illpucks]

The truth comes out!

MODS: OP just admitted this is an anti-Crosby thread disguised as a Couture thread. I think it's safe to shut this down now

OP: when was the last time a player on the losing team won it? when was the last time a non-goalie on the losing time won it? if you want to make a thread arguing for Kessel or anyone else on the winning team, then go right ahead. but Couture wasn't snubbed. his team lost.

The Smythe isn't an award for the best player. It's an award for the most valuable. Those two things are not the same. You aren't exactly valuable if you didn't win, now are you?

Get over it already. You don't hear Pens fans crying about the 2013 Hart. So stop crying about the 2016 Smythe. And stop trying to disguise your whining as a Couture thread when everyone knows what it really is.

Couture had 30 points and I dunno if he even got 1 smythe vote. This thread is about Couture being overlooked. That supports that.
Similarly this year, Couture doesn't get talked about despite leading the league in points.

If posters bring something up, then we reply to their points. Don't take things out of context.

 

[Hrkac Circus]

I can make a hat...., or a brooch..., or a pterodactyl...

 

[kladorf2005]

Couture had 30 points and I dunno if he even got 1 smythe vote. This thread is about Couture being overlooked. That supports that.
Similarly this year, Couture doesn't get talked about despite leading the league in points.

If posters bring something up, then we reply to their points. Don't take things out of context.

I didn't bring up Crosby in this convo. You did. Nice try, bud.

Couture didn't win the Smythe because his team didn't win. It had nothing to do with Crosby.