What to make of Logan Couture?

[Boy Hedican]

Couture would have almost 10 more points in the same amount of playoff games. Cooch scores more in the playoffs without question. Begeron is better defensively without question. I think begeron is a better playoff performer, but I don't think the margin is by a whole lot is all I'm saying.

Not a slight to bergeron at all, just think Cooch is being a bit undervalued

He is vastly underrated. I wouldn’t say he’s at PT37 level, but dang. He’s good. Quite possible equals if you consider other elements of his game. Cooch’s shot is dangerous af.

 

[CanadienShark]

In a limited game sample in 2 NHL playoffs sure but that's like saying the guy who leads the NHL in scoring from game 37 to 54 is also the best for that time epriod.

doesn't mean much in the overall scheme of things does it?

He is a very good player who has had 2 elite post seasons and several pretty decent ones and a couple of duds.

Three out of the last four playoffs, he's been an elite performer without question. A Conn Smythe level pace in those three. He's had two subpar playoffs in his career, outside of his very first playoffs when he was new to the league. He's always been excellent, and steps up in the playoffs. You're really underselling him.

 

[Paul4587]

poor man version of Bergeron

industrial player. Underrated offensively

any team would like to have him on their team

Couture is a significantly better player in the postseason than Bergeron. I would say they are opposite in that respect, Bergeron is a terrific regular season performer who has been good in the playoffs but not to the extent of how good he is in the regular season where as Couture is the opposite.

 

[rocketdan9]

Couture is a significantly better player in the postseason than Bergeron. I would say they are opposite in that respect, Bergeron is a terrific regular season performer who has been good in the playoffs but not to the extent of how good he is in the regular season where as Couture is the opposite.

Thats because you are fixated on points

All those key faceoff wins, defensive back checking etc

I guess we will truly find if Bergeron limits Couture offense, later

 

[Leafblooded]

Ahhh yes - the individual equivalent of "we're a team".

Also he's a good one. I'm not sure if things have changed since I was young but lapping the field would imply that he has twice the amount of points.

Now I'm no expert of math, so could someone tell me if 17 is 2x bigger than 15? I need to go find an abacus.

Username checks out

 

[Paul4587]

Thats because you are fixated on points

All those key faceoff wins, defensive back checking etc

I guess we will truly find if Bergeron limits Couture offense, later

I’m not fixated on just points but there is a huge discrepancy in their playoff production, enough to overcome Bergerons superior defensive ability.

And I have no bias in this conversation ether, I’m a Ducks fan so don’t particularly like Couture and have always cheered for the Bruins when my team is out.

 

[Dolemite]

When the Sharks captaincy was open I thought he was going to get it as he’s wise beyond his years and gets what a team needs to do to win. He’s mentally tough and a leader on and off the ice. He’s been that way for years.

 

[rocketdan9]

I’m not fixated on just points but there is a huge discrepancy in their playoff production, enough to overcome Bergerons superior defensive ability.

And I have no bias in this conversation ether, I’m a Ducks fan so don’t particularly like Couture and have always cheered for the Bruins when my team is out.

overall playoff numbers is Couture with 98 pts vs Bergeron with 96 points

Couture doing this with 15 less games

fair enough that Couture is a better offensive producer ... but Bergeron is better defensively

 

[Khelandros]

Couture is a crybaby who, when getting beat by the best players in the game, runs to the media and calls them cheaters. Fact.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Couture is a crybaby who, when getting beat by the best players in the game, runs to the media and calls them cheaters. Fact.

(In the 2016 Stanley Cup Finals)

Logan Couture: 2 G 4 A 6 P
5-On-5 Goal Differential: +1

Sidney Crosby: 0G 4 A 4 P
5-On-5 Goal Differential: 0

 

[Khelandros]

(In the 2016 Stanley Cup Finals)

Logan Couture: 2 G 4 A 6 P
5-On-5 Goal Differential: +1

Sidney Crosby: 0G 4 A 4 P
5-On-5 Goal Differential: 0

(In the 2016 Stanley Cup Finals)

Sidney Crosby: Stanley Cup, Conn Smyth
5-On-5 Trophy Differential: +2

Logan Couture: nothing
5-On-5 Trophy Differential: -2

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

(In the 2016 Stanley Cup Finals)

Sidney Crosby: Stanley Cup, Conn Smyth
5-On-5 Trophy Differential: +2

Logan Couture: nothing
5-On-5 Trophy Differential: -2

The Conn Smythe is a reputation-based award that has only gone to the player on a losing team in 5 times in its history. If it were awarded on merit, it would have gone to any one of Kessel, Letang, Couture, or Burns before it would have gone to Crosby.

 

[Khelandros]

The Conn Smythe is a reputation-based award that has only gone to the player on a losing team in 5 times in its history. If it were awarded on merit, it would have gone to any one of Kessel, Letang, Couture, or Burns before it would have gone to Crosby.

But it didn't, my point still stands.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

But it didn't, my point still stands.

You have no point. You came into this thread to gloat about Couture getting beat by Crosby in particular because you’re still salty about Couture talking to the media about Crosby’s faceoffs but your entire post is based on a false premise.

Crosby didn’t out-perform Couture in 2016. Couture scored more points and had the better goal differential. Head-to-head, they played 23:43 against one another and were even in goals. Crosby’s team was miles better than Couture’s team but Couture in particular was better than Crosby in the Finals.

You want to talk about the Stanley Cup? Cool, that’s a team award. You wanna talk about the Conn Smythe Trophy? Cool, now you’re making an appeal to the authority of the same people who voted Alexander Ovechkin as the first-team right wing and second-team left wing in 2013.

You want to talk about cold, hard facts? Cool, Logan Couture had a more positive contribution to his team’s goals than Sidney Crosby did in the 2016 Stanley Cup Final. And he did so on a team that was getting caved in pretty hard.

 

[Khelandros]

You have no point. You came into this thread to gloat about Couture getting beat by Crosby in particular because you’re still salty about Couture talking to the media about Crosby’s faceoffs but your entire post is based on a false premise.

Crosby didn’t out-perform Couture in 2016. Couture scored more points and had the better goal differential. Head-to-head, they played 23:43 against one another and were even in goals. Crosby’s team was miles better than Couture’s team but Couture in particular was better than Crosby in the Finals.

You want to talk about the Stanley Cup? Cool, that’s a team award. You wanna talk about the Conn Smythe Trophy? Cool, now you’re making an appeal to the authority of the same people who voted Alexander Ovechkin as the first-team right wing and second-team left wing in 2013.

You want to talk about cold, hard facts? Cool, Logan Couture had a more positive contribution to his team’s goals than Sidney Crosby did in the 2016 Stanley Cup Final. And he did so on a team that was getting caved in pretty hard.

If anyone's salty, it's you. The guy writing 4 paragraphs. Have fun losing to Boston in a couple of weeks.

 

[Trade]

You have no point. You came into this thread to gloat about Couture getting beat by Crosby in particular because you’re still salty about Couture talking to the media about Crosby’s faceoffs but your entire post is based on a false premise.

Crosby didn’t out-perform Couture in 2016. Couture scored more points and had the better goal differential. Head-to-head, they played 23:43 against one another and were even in goals. Crosby’s team was miles better than Couture’s team but Couture in particular was better than Crosby in the Finals.

You want to talk about the Stanley Cup? Cool, that’s a team award. You wanna talk about the Conn Smythe Trophy? Cool, now you’re making an appeal to the authority of the same people who voted Alexander Ovechkin as the first-team right wing and second-team left wing in 2013.

You want to talk about cold, hard facts? Cool, Logan Couture had a more positive contribution to his team’s goals than Sidney Crosby did in the 2016 Stanley Cup Final. And he did so on a team that was getting caved in pretty hard.

They're simply referring to when Couture was crying about Crosby cheating in the FO circle like every veteran C during the Finals.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

They're simply referring to when Couture was crying about Crosby cheating in the FO circle like every veteran C during the Finals.

Yup, and he was whining. If that poster just called him a whiner, I wouldn’t respond. But he wasn’t getting beat by the best. That is what I take issue with.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

If anyone's salty, it's you. The guy writing 4 paragraphs. Have fun losing to Boston in a couple of weeks.

Nah, I’m not really salty, I’m just telling you that you’re wrong.

If the finals are San Jose and Boston, you should probably be rooting for Boston. After all, if Boston loses in that case, that would make the Penguins the ultimate losers of the 2019 playoffs. Swept by the Islanders, and the ultimate losers of the playoffs? Yikes.

 

[Trade]

Yup, and he was whining. If that poster just called him a whiner, I wouldn’t respond. But he wasn’t getting beat by the best. That is what I take issue with.

Very fair point. Couture certainly did his part during those Finals.

 

[Mattb124]

In a limited game sample in 2 NHL playoffs sure but that's like saying the guy who leads the NHL in scoring from game 37 to 54 is also the best for that time epriod.

doesn't mean much in the overall scheme of things does it?

He is a very good player who has had 2 elite post seasons and several pretty decent ones and a couple of duds.

Yeah, if you think winning games 37-54 has the same importance as winning a playoff game. I'll take the guy who is elite in the playoffs.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

...that Couture is awesome. Zach Hamill is not.

 

[Coffey]

I don't cheer for Butthead often, because he always daggers my team.
But I'm rooting for the Sharks for the umpteenth time again, so hopefully he keeps up his great play!

 

[kladorf2005]

He already has 1 Smythe he should have got (2016) where he lapped the field. Sharks lost but he completely lapped the field in points.

Now he's leading in points again and could once again lap the field. If it continues then 2nd possible smythe he deserves yet he might end up with 0.

No one talks about him in the best players in NHL, and he's not even mentioned among best players of Sharks. What to make of him?

CS is for most valuable player of the playoffs. There's a reason why the losing team has only had the CS winner a handful of times ever. It's hard to argue they were more valuable than someone on the winning team. You actually have to "lap the field" to win it from the losing side. Scoring 6 more points than a defensman on your own losing team hardly qualifies as "lapping the field".

Let's not pretend like he got snubbed.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

CS is for most valuable player of the playoffs. There's a reason why the losing team has only had the CS winner a handful of times ever. It's hard to argue they were more valuable than someone on the winning team. You actually have to "lap the field" to win it from the losing side. Scoring 6 more points than a defensman on your own losing team hardly qualifies as "lapping the field".

Let's not pretend like he got snubbed.

Crosby scored 5 points less than that same “defensman” that you are talking about.

 

[kladorf2005]

Crosby scored 5 points less than that same “defensman” that you are talking about.

Oh, sorry for thinking this was a thread about Couture. I don't know how I could have missed it being disguised as an anti-Crosby thread. How silly of me.

Anyways, as for my actual point (which literally has nothing to do with Crosby): you actually have to "lap the field" to with the Smythe on the losing team. It's most valuable. Not most points. If your teams loses, how valuable were you?

If you want to argue someone else on the Pens should have won it. Fine. Make a thread about that topic. Don't come in here saying Couture got snubbed because Crosby. Couture didn't win the trophy because his team didn't win the cup. Plain and simple.

I guarantee you OP doesn't make this thread about Couture getting snubbed in 2016 if Kessel had won the Smythe. And I'm confident you don't reply to my post with, "Kessel scored 2 fewer points than Burns" either.