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What should LA do at the deadline?

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All The Kings Men said:
I don't care what specific pieces they do or don't have. I care about how all the pieces blend together for a team effort.

They're not struggling to score goals.
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With the lack of shooting talent, I have concerns about being able to score on teams that can play defense & have a decent goalie. Teams you're likely to encounter in the playoffs. The swarm offense is fun & maybe the Kings are scoring playoff style goals just going to the net & creating havoc. Guess we'll find out soon.
 
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FSL KINGS said:
With the lack of shooting talent, I have concerns about being able to score on teams that can play defense & have a decent goalie. Teams you're likely to encounter in the playoffs. The swarm offense is fun & maybe the Kings are scoring playoff style goals just going to the net & creating havoc. Guess we'll find out soon.
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Agreed. Shot volume might get us into the playoffs, but it will also get us a quick exit from them.
 
Follow The Reaper said:
Two things can right at the same time.
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I agree, I just think for clarity's sake it's worth pointing out these guys aren't floating lifeless Lewis and Clifford wrist shots from the point to game Corsi. The heat map for this team and all the metrics show they're getting inside and to the dangerous areas in a way past teams weren't. The shooting talent is probably why the disparity between expected goals and real goals is larger than ever--it wasn't even this bad in the past.

It's too early for this but this is the perfect example of a team that can 'trade' possession for pop, i.e Carter and Gaborik, or moving Kaliyev up, etc, when it's time to make the next step. THis year they're gonna get shitcanned in the playoffs and be better for it.

Hell even last night was a great lesson in desire, defense, and fighting through.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
The shooting talent is probably why the disparity between expected goals and real goals is larger than ever--it wasn't even this bad in the past.
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I still maintain a lot of that was also a bad start.

I have yet to see a "goals v xG" stat that you can adjust for specific time but looking at shooting % and who was taking the bulk of the shots early vs lately tells two different stories AND

the team went from like -23 to -16 in a month

-16 is still bad but that's a significant improvement in that span of time
 
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All The Kings Men said:
I still maintain a lot of that was also a bad start.

I have yet to see a "goals v xG" stat that you can adjust for specific time but looking at shooting % and who was taking the bulk of the shots early vs lately tells two different stories AND

the team went from like -23 to -16 in a month

-16 is still bad but that's a significant improvement in that span of time
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No. The Kings are a consistent outlier as expected goals vs actual goals goes. They just make up for it by shooting. Shooting a lot.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I agree, I just think for clarity's sake it's worth pointing out these guys aren't floating lifeless Lewis and Clifford wrist shots from the point to game Corsi. The heat map for this team and all the metrics show they're getting inside and to the dangerous areas in a way past teams weren't. The shooting talent is probably why the disparity between expected goals and real goals is larger than ever--it wasn't even this bad in the past.

It's too early for this but this is the perfect example of a team that can 'trade' possession for pop, i.e Carter and Gaborik, or moving Kaliyev up, etc, when it's time to make the next step. THis year they're gonna get shitcanned in the playoffs and be better for it.

Hell even last night was a great lesson in desire, defense, and fighting through.
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Isn't most of that dominated by two lines though?
 
kingsholygrail said:
Isn't most of that dominated by two lines though?
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led by sure, not dominated by--they're among the top echelon in most stats and just like the teams ahead of them--Florida, Carolina, Boston, TO (depending on what you're looking at, but ther'es a lot of duplicates obv.)--there's very little dropoff between the top and bottom players. The teams slightly behind them tend to have less 'depth' from that standpoint, or a steeper drop. If anything, Kings have better all around depth than, say, TO, they just have much better high end (as does Carolina, TBL). Or, a more pessimistic way of looking at it is LA's 'top line' does not compete with the other true contenders, so we have one super competitive top six line and one super competitive bottom six line and two other 'average' lines.

WRT the previous conversation, if anything, the Kempe-Kopitar line is generating more quality and LESS quantity. The third line is obviously an amorphous blob.
 
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kingsholygrail said:
Isn't most of that dominated by two lines though?
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Yes. None of the stats listed here mean anything. They are just interesting.

The Kings didn't score last night because they were completely dominated between their attacking blueline and the top of the circles. The Bruins just owned them. Breaking up passes, forcing carriers to the wall and snuffing them out, constantly standing up and pressuring from behind.

The Danault line tried and failed to enter all night and got killed. Brown got pickpocketed from behind numerous times. The dump ins led to some good solid cycles from the usual sources, but the consistent turnovers kept the defense on their heels, leading to easy Bruin entries and no gap controls - and that was when they weren't burned on unsupported pinches.

They had the worst 5 on 3 PP i have ever seen, and Bergeron soundly beat Kopitar on the dot and in the corner.

Quick was really fighting the puck, then as the score got out of hand they just conceded as Boston put them to the sword.

That's what happened. No stat says that, and the convoluted sequence of different stats you would have to compile and sift thru to try and interpret it correctly - and fairly to the players - would be a colossal waste of time best used at preparing for the next game.
 
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This may be an unpopular opinion but they should make sure that guys like Moverare, Bjornfot et al don't develop into the top 4 LHD that they need before blowing their wad on a guy like Chychrun. There are numbers, so the numbers game should work in their favor.

That being said, they have to do a really good job of self-scouting because they don't have room for all of the kids. No trades for rentals, unless the player is going to re-sign. They have to trade some of these guys before they lose value, and they have to pick the right guys to trade.
 
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Also, they should wait as long as they can to make moves so that the kids are the reason why they're winning, rather than guys like Kopitar, Doughty, Danault, Kempe and Quick.
 
bland said:
Yes. None of the stats listed here mean anything. They are just interesting.

The Kings didn't score last night because they were completely dominated between their attacking blueline and the top of the circles. The Bruins just owned them. Breaking up passes, forcing carriers to the wall and snuffing them out, constantly standing up and pressuring from behind.

The Danault line tried and failed to enter all night and got killed. Brown got pickpocketed from behind numerous times. The dump ins led to some good solid cycles from the usual sources, but the consistent turnovers kept the defense on their heels, leading to easy Bruin entries and no gap controls - and that was when they weren't burned on unsupported pinches.

They had the worst 5 on 3 PP i have ever seen, and Bergeron soundly beat Kopitar on the dot and in the corner.

Quick was really fighting the puck, then as the score got out of hand they just conceded as Boston put them to the sword.

That's what happened. No stat says that, and the convoluted sequence of different stats you would have to compile and sift thru to try and interpret it correctly - and fairly to the players - would be a colossal waste of time best used at preparing for the next game.
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i agree, but we're talking about season-long trends, not one night.

We get it, you hate advanced stats, but all I'm saying is something pretty simple, all four Kings lines all year have been generating quality scoring chances not just raw volume scoring chances. Two of them have been regularly better than the others, but not to any degree unseen in other teams matching the Kings at the top.
 
bland said:
The Kings didn't score last night because they were completely dominated between their attacking blueline and the top of the circles. The Bruins just owned them. Breaking up passes, forcing carriers to the wall and snuffing them out, constantly standing up and pressuring from behind
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It was like seeing the games we played against the Ducks, Isles, and first two periods of the second Arizona game (games 51-53) reflected back on us.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
i agree, but we're talking about season-long trends, not one night.

We get it, you hate advanced stats, but all I'm saying is something pretty simple, all four Kings lines all year have been generating quality scoring chances not just raw volume scoring chances. Two of them have been regularly better than the others, but not to any degree unseen in other teams matching the Kings at the top.
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The advanced stats back up the eye test, the Kings generate a lot of chances from all over the offensive zone (hence the high shot totals) but the Kings lack of natural finishers is going to be a big problem., especially if some guys start to come back down to Earth a bit in the goal-scoring area (Danault and Kempe)
 
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If you can get a young LHD than do that otherwise sit tight. Try and get anything for Athanasiou and Grundstrom. Maatta I would take calls on, not because of his play but because once Edler is back there will need to be someone waived.
 
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Papa Mocha 15 said:
Maybe shore up the D but I'd like to see the kids grow. I don't want a major trade right now. Team is just starting to play well, minus last night. If it improves the team in the long run, cool but nothing huge...
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Edler is coming back and at that point LA will either have to carry 8 d or they will have to waive someone.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I was looking at the GF/GA differential among all playoff teams, and the Kings have the lowest differential at a +6.

The Kings need a finisher more than anything, and if Edler returns and plays at the level he was playing at prior to his injury, I feel like there is less of a need for another defenseman.
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To be fair that's strictly because of last game. There are several other teams around the +10 range that vary on any given night.

Doesn't change your point overall (if anything, maybe it emphasizes the need, since it's so tight just a few more goals can really make a difference), just an observation that that particular stat got absolutely bombed the other night, and there are really only a couple of teams in the West running away with differential, the rest of the bubble teams are in the same general vicinity, no one is doing so much more that you expect them to end up in a better spot, there's about 5-6 teams fighting to the death right now.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Kings rank 3rd overall in rebound goals percentage.
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This reflects the big difference we see from the shot padding teams we've had in the past. The team is generating traffic, getting the shots through, and doing a pretty good job of clearing the crease/tying guys up on the defensive side of things. TM definitely wants them to hold on a bit and wait for a better situation than just fling it at the net. I'd have to say this is one of the better changes he's brought.

We don't have snipers, but at least they are going to the front.
 
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