What Roster changes do you make if Marner doesn't waive?

[TheGreenTBer]

Nick suggested $100m for 8 years. Nobody has suggested $100m for 7 years. That is laughable and if my GM came to me for approval, I would fire him on the spot.

$100M for any amount of years is heinous for a guy with no individual awards and a history of playoff disappointments.

 

[Nineteen67]

$100M for any amount of years is heinous for a guy with no individual awards and a history of playoff disappointments.

I would love to have a video recording of marner’s team asking for 100 million from anyone. If there is team willing to pay that amount then the Leafs should do every they can to accommodate them.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I would love to have a video recording of marner’s team asking for 100 million from anyone. If there is team willing to pay that amount then the Leafs should do every they can to accommodate them.

"We have made the decision to go in a different direction. We would like to ask you for a list of teams for which you would waive your no-movement clause and you have our permission to facilitate a trade as well. We thank you for your contributions and wish you great success in the future."
- literally me if I were GM a nanosecond after hearing that hypothetical ask

 

[ToneDog]

$100M for any amount of years is heinous for a guy with no individual awards and a history of playoff disappointments.

Willie got $92m and he doesn't have Marner's numbers. Can't hurt to ask a management group that has bent over backwards for the 3 amigos.

I would love to have a video recording of Nylander's team asking for 92 million from anyone. If there is team willing to pay that amount then the Leafs should do every they can to accommodate them.

Touched it up for you.

"We have made the decision to go in a different direction. We would like to ask you for a list of teams for which you would waive your no-movement clause and you have our permission to facilitate a trade as well. We thank you for your contributions and wish you great success in the future."
- literally me if I were GM a nanosecond after hearing that hypothetical ask

Me - Hahahaha, you want how much ?

 

[Nineteen67]

"We have made the decision to go in a different direction. We would like to ask you for a list of teams for which you would waive your no-movement clause and you have our permission to facilitate a trade as well. We thank you for your contributions and wish you great success in the future."
- literally me if I were GM a nanosecond after hearing that hypothetical ask

I’d let them negotiate with every team and if they can work out anything close to that you make the deal.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Willie got $92m and he doesn't have Marner's numbers. Can't hurt to ask a management group that has bent over backwards for the 3 amigos.


Touched it up for you.


Me - Hahahaha, you want how much ?

Tre was in a difficult spot in Nylander negotiations due to that backstabbing little turd that preceeded him making him need to rush to make a decision IMO. It's still a bad contract but it's a little more understandable. Plus, some may disagree but I'd take Nylander in the playoffs over Marner.

Marner's situation is different. You absolutely cannot have two $11M/year wingers that don't dominate in the playoffs and expect to win anything in the Cap era. The die should have already been cast for Marner the moment Nylander's contract was signed.

 

[hotpaws]

i could see Mtich getting 14m as a ufa based on listening how JT is a discount at 11m since there was a rumor San Jose offered 13m

Mitch has better production and is better defensively than Johnny Mumbles ever was so with the cap going up i could easily see him getting similar cap % offers based on a much higher cap . The key i guess might be if he has pics as a kid in his new teams mech .

 

[TheGreenTBer]

i could see Mtich getting 14m as a ufa based on listening how JT is a discount at 11m since there was a rumor San Jose offered 13m

Mitch has better production and is better defensively than Johnny Mumbles ever was so with the cap going up i could easily see him getting similar cap % offers based on a much higher cap . The key i guess might be if he has pics as a kid in his new teams mech .

If some other team makes such a colassally bad decision to sign Marner for that dollar amount I will laugh so hard.

If it's Toronto they're forever completely hopeless as a franchise and have no interest in ever winning a Cup, so it would be pointless to get mad over it.

 

[ToneDog]

Tre was in a difficult spot in Nylander negotiations due to that backstabbing little turd that preceeded him making him need to rush to make a decision IMO. It's still a bad contract but it's a little more understandable. Plus, some may disagree but I'd take Nylander in the playoffs over Marner.

Marner's situation is different. You absolutely cannot have two $11M/year wingers that don't dominate in the playoffs and expect to win anything in the Cap era. The die should have already been cast for Marner the moment Nylander's contract was signed.

If Willie plays like he did before signing, the deal is more digestible. If he puts up less than 90 points, it is a huge overpay. Sorry, he has no business being in that snack bracket unless he puts up 40-50 goals and 100+ points.

i could see Mtich getting 14m as a ufa based on listening how JT is a discount at 11m since there was a rumor San Jose offered 13m

Mitch has better production and is better defensively than Johnny Mumbles ever was so with the cap going up i could easily see him getting similar cap % offers based on a much higher cap . The key i guess might be if he has pics as a kid in his new teams mech .

I believe I've seen him in a Mickey Mouse Tee and Mickey owns the Ducks. Hmmm.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

If Willie plays like he did before signing, the deal is more digestible. If he puts up less than 90 points, it is a huge overpay. Sorry, he has no business being in that snack bracket unless he puts up 40-50 goals and 100+ points.

Personally I don't give much of a shit what any of them do in the regular season at this point. Either perform in the playoffs or f*** off tbh.

 

[ToneDog]

If some other team makes such a colassally bad decision to sign Marner for that dollar amount I will laugh so hard.

If it's Toronto they're forever completely hopeless as a franchise and have no interest in ever winning a Cup, so it would be pointless to get mad over it.

Nobody paid Johnny Hockey when push came to shove and he was coming off a 110+ point season. Mitch is in for a rude awakening.

 

[notbias]

$100M for any amount of years is heinous for a guy with no individual awards and a history of playoff disappointments.

Elias Pettersson just got 92 million and the cap is going up... it isn't like it is that crazy.

It is too much, but a GM who might win GM of the Year (this award means nothing) just gave a player you described close to that.

 

[ToneDog]

Personally I don't give much of a shit what any of them do in the regular season at this point. Either perform in the playoffs or f*** off tbh.

Sure but you do not turn it on and off. The team needs to play playoff hockey the full season. The crap they pulled under Keefe will not fly under Berube (one would hope).

 

[Evilhomer]

It strikes me as unlikely that Marner's agent will go for an 8 year deal with any team. I imagine they will try to mimic Matthews again and go for a shorter-term deal to ensure one more massive payday in 4 or 5 years.

 

[notbias]

Nobody paid Johnny Hockey when push came to shove and he was coming off a 110+ point season. Mitch is in for a rude awakening.

Gaudreau got a pretty good contract and is not as good a player as Marner.

His contract is $10.9 million on the projected $92.5 million cap.

 

[Racer88]

i could see Mtich getting 14m as a ufa based on listening how JT is a discount at 11m since there was a rumor San Jose offered 13m

Mitch has better production and is better defensively than Johnny Mumbles ever was so with the cap going up i could easily see him getting similar cap % offers based on a much higher cap . The key i guess might be if he has pics as a kid in his new teams mech .

I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. lol

 

[ToneDog]

It strikes me as unlikely that Marner's agent will go for an 8 year deal with any team. I imagine they will try to mimic Matthews again and go for a shorter-term deal to ensure one more massive payday in 4 or 5 years.

Here's hoping it is not with the Leafs and that he falls off a cliff by the end of that contract.

 

[hotpaws]

I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. lol

does it really matter ?

my point is why are we holding Mitch to a different standard then Tavares ? for six years all i've heard is how Johnny did us a favor by coming here and singing for what was the highest cap hit in the NHL at that time so why are we now trying to run Mitch out of town when he just wants the same consideration this fan base accorded JT especially considering he's had a more productive career up to this point

 

[TheGreenTBer]

does it really matter ?

my point is why are we holding Mitch to a different standard then Tavares ? for six years all i've heard is how Johnny did us a favor by coming here and singing for what was the highest cap hit in the NHL at that time so why are we now trying to run Mitch out of town when he just wants the same consideration this fan base accorded JT especially considering he's had a more productive career up to this point

Signing Tavares was an unequivocal mistake. He has rarely been worth his contract over the years. The negative ramifications of the signing have permeated the organization deeply and will continue to do so. We already extended Matthews and Nylander to overpayment. We can't do it again.

 

[ToneDog]

does it really matter ?

my point is why are we holding Mitch to a different standard then Tavares ? for six years all i've heard is how Johnny did us a favor by coming here and singing for what was the highest cap hit in the NHL at that time so why are we now trying to run Mitch out of town when he just wants the same consideration this fan base accorded JT especially considering he's had a more productive career up to this point

I get your complaints regarding Tavares but Mitch is all but gone. The Leafs are not paying him $12.5m per year. Period. End of story.

 

[Antropovsky]

does it really matter ?

my point is why are we holding Mitch to a different standard then Tavares ? for six years all i've heard is how Johnny did us a favor by coming here and singing for what was the highest cap hit in the NHL at that time so why are we now trying to run Mitch out of town when he just wants the same consideration this fan base accorded JT especially considering he's had a more productive career up to this point

Tavares was a two time Hart finalist, former 1st overall pick, 27 year old UFA who took less to play for Toronto. In order to sign as a UFA, he could only get a 7 year contract vs an 8 had he signed with Islander. The Sharks offered 13 million x7. Tavares left a substantialamount of money on the table to come to Toronto.

Marner literally fought and clawed and manipulated on his RFA contract in order to be overpaid. And his heartless, gritless play has made his contract only worse with age.

These two are not similar in any way whatsoever. One is greedy and selfish, the other generous and selfless

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I get your complaints regarding Tavares but Mitch is all but gone. The Leafs are not paying him $12.5m per year. Period. End of story.

I'm not sure about that.

Should they re-sign him? Absolutely not. Of course not. Will they? Let's just say the core should have been adjusted years ago and I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[ToneDog]

I'm not sure about that.

Should they re-sign him? Absolutely not. Of course not. Will they? Let's just saw the core should have been adjusted years ago and I'll believe it when I see it.

Have you heard anybody say a word about bringing the core back? That is the difference between this year and previous years. The experiment is over. I am very confident they will not be running it back this year. They would be insane if they did.

 

[Stephen]

It strikes me as unlikely that Marner's agent will go for an 8 year deal with any team. I imagine they will try to mimic Matthews again and go for a shorter-term deal to ensure one more massive payday in 4 or 5 years.

Hard to get a read on what Marner Camp’s position will be. The last round was based around the idea that “anything Auston gets we deserve it too” but it seems fairly self evident that Marner’s fallen out of favour in Leafs Land so you can’t apply the same pressure points.

Does he come across as a “bet on myself” kind of player? Doesn’t feel that way to me.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Have you heard anybody say a word about bringing the core back? That is the difference between this year and previous years. The experiment is over. I am very confident they will not be running it back this year. They would be insane if they did.

True. The vibe is different and I do have hope they'll try to do the right thing. Ownership is finally pissed.

But I'll believe it when I see it.