What does Kucherov need to do to surpass Ovechkin and become the greatest Russian player to ever play in the NHL?

Randyne

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Completely made up and completely false statistics.
Did you recheck that, or just blindedly throwing words?
After these words you should provide your stats TBL P% with Kucherov and w/o.
Always wonder from where those haters always bring crazy staff.

Stats above were calculated from nhl.com
TBL with Kuch GP 725; W 435; L 233; OT 57 = .639
TBL w/o Kuch GP 139; W 86; L 38; OT 15 = .673
What's wrong here?
Give me your source.

It's better to be absent in the regular season than in the play-off. And in the play-offs, we saw Kucherov indefinitely more often than Ovechkin shine.
Of course when your team is better without you and you can rest and wait when your team is doing all the job, then shine with full force...
Ovi miles better working hard and playing through injuries almost every game, collecting the largest hardware since WG and ML, even if NHL robbed him 4-5 major awards.
 
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How can he have 6 Conference Finals and 161 points if it's usual ? Who has done better in the Play-off for 10 years ?

Ehh, Lightning have only won in the COVID times it just not as worth as much...they always come up short otherwise
 
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Assuming Kucherov wins the Art-Ross/Hart/Lindsey this season (most deserving anyways), what else would he need to add to his resume to be able to catch OV and become the greatest Russian player to play in the league?

His playoff resume is already above OV's and you could now argue that his peak also is.
Kucherov isn’t even close to Datsyuk. How can he be close to Ovechkin?
 
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Did you recheck that, or just blindedly throwing words?
After these words you should provide your stats TBL P% with Kucherov and w/o.
Always wonder from where those haters always bring crazy staff.

Stats above were calculated from nhl.com
TBL with Kuch GP 725; W 435; L 233; OT 57 = .639
TBL w/o Kuch GP 139; W 86; L 38; OT 15 = .673
What's wrong here?
Give me your source.


Of course when your team is better without you and you can rest and wait when your team is doing all the job, then shine with full force...
Ovi miles better working hard and playing through injuries almost every game, collecting the largest hardware since WG and ML, even if NHL robbed him 4-5 major awards.
These kinds of stats take hours to build on nhl.com. You get it out in 20 minutes.

At first glance, this seems very improbable.

The 2021 season in 10 seconds of reading demonstrates it.

Kucherov isn’t even close to Datsyuk. How can he be close to Ovechkin?
Funny how the demands are very high for Kucherov. 144 points is not enough. Flirting with McDavid's level for 7 years is not enough. 6 Conference finals, that’s not enough. Having an average of 16 points in 10 years in the Play-Off is not enough. While these things, Ovechkin is very far from having done them.

Datsyuk has a lower Play-Off masterpiece. 2 titles, 1 NHL final, 1 Conference final. Kucherov is 2 titles, 2 NHL finals, 2 conference finals and already 48 points more.
 
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So here I am skeptical. How to find out which matches Kucherov did not play in 1 click on nhl.com ?
Go to team stats look at TBL's W/L/OT from 2013/14 season, then
Go to skaters stats look at Kucherov's stats -> filter his W/L/OT and find out how many GP he played in each W/L/OT
Then just minus from TBL's stats. And you will find out TBL W/L/OT stats w/o Kucherov. From those numbers just calculate P%.
It's simple.
 
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These kinds of stats take hours to build on nhl.com. You get it out in 20 minutes.

At first glance, this seems very improbable.

The 2021 season in 10 seconds of reading demonstrates it.


Funny how the demands are very high for Kucherov. 144 points is not enough. Flirting with McDavid's level for 7 years is not enough. 6 Conference finals, that’s not enough. Having an average of 16 points in 10 years in the Play-Off is not enough. While these things, Ovechkin is very far from having done them.

Datsyuk has a lower Play-Off masterpiece. 2 titles, 1 NHL final, 1 Conference final. Kucherov is 2 titles, 2 NHL finals, 2 conference finals and already 48 points more.
McDavid was very clearly injured this year (especially towards the late season). He caught Kucherov and passed him in points per game while healthy.
 

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Go to team stats look at TBL's W/L/OT from 2013/14 season, then
Go to skaters stats look at Kucherov's stats -> filter his W/L/OT and find out how many GP he played in each W/L/OT
Then just minus from TBL's stats. And you will find out TBL W/L/OT stats w/o Kucherov. From those numbers just calculate P%.
It's simple.

Post the link for Kucherov

McDavid was very clearly injured this year (especially towards the late season). He caught Kucherov and passed him in points per game while healthy.
So what ? Ovechkin won 2 Hart well by taking advantage of Crosby's missed games
 

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The interesting thing is - if you add up the votes for the Conn Smythe in 2020 and 2021, Kucherov has more than any of his teammates. One could argue that he was the most valuable Lightning player during their back-to-back wins, even if he wasn't the most value in either playoff run on a standalone basis.
Just another example of how poor trophy counting is as an argument.a better way to look at the playoff resumes of both players is to look at the whole picture and this is one area that Kuch has a definite advantage over Ovi.

Now if he adds to that it will help what is still a longshot case overall
 

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Sorry but I don't found.

You copy/paste the link and it's good
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Yeah.

1.29 points with out Kucherov
1.28 points with Kucherov

This is the statistic from the 2020/21 (56 games with 1.34) season that tilts the average. He didn't bother them in Play-Off this year.

In the Play-Off, Kucherov missed 3 games, Tampa lost all 3.

For Ovechkin, the positive difference is less than 0.02.

So a true but insignificant stat.

Watch this :

 
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Yeah.
1.29 points with out Kucherov
1.28 points with Kucherov
Nope.
1.28 P/GP with Kucherov
1.34 P/GP w/o Kucherov
You didn't subtract Kuch's games from TBL totals.

WSH P% with Ovechkin = .610 (1.22 P/GP)
WSH P% w/o Ovechkin = .475 (.95 P/GP)
 
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People look at simplicity and it's why analytics gets a lot of pushback.

Ovechkin is on the cusp of doing something that pretty much nobody ever thought was possible, which is take down one of Gretzky's records. Along with that, he is currently 13th all time in points and unless he retires this year, will probably finish 11th ( or 10th if Crosby retires or misses significant time).

I see a lot of team related stats being thrown around, but to the majority of people, they don't matter.

Yes, Kucherov has done something that only 4 (or 5) other players have ever done, in reach 100 assists in a season, a list that does includes Gretzky, but that's the only time he will ever be mentioned in the same sentence as some of the greats. Unlike Ovechkin who because of both goals and points, will end up being one of the top 10 players of all time.

What does Kucherov have to do to surpass Ovi? Very simple. Pass him in points. Even if he does that, Ovi's goal totals and being 1st (assuming he gets there), will still keep him ahead of Kucherov in a lot of peoples eyes most likely.

Kucherov will most likely end up being a 1st ballot hall of famer. I only say most likely because he's only 30 and you just never what will happen. He'd still be a hall of famer if he retired now, just maybe not first ballot, and they certainly wouldn't waive the mandatory waiting period like they will with Ovechkin.

But while he is a supremely amazing player, it did take him until his fifth season to truly breakout. Along with that, what exactly has he done to separate himself from any of the other top players to play the game. How is he any different from other players? Did he change the way the game way played? Was there something that he did that no other player did on the ice? What made him so special?

I say that like I'm trying to shit on him but I'm not. It's just that we're talking about the absolute great of the greats. You're also trying to compare someone who's career could only be 2/3's of the way done versus someone who has 1 to 2 years left tops. Kucherov may end up being among the greats. But in some ways, Ovechkin will be considered among the greatest.
 

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So now Ovechkin has the level of Crosby and even more so McDavid...

We don't have the same assessment. For me Malkin is better than Ovechkin. Ovechkin is too limited in his game compared to the players you mention.

peak Malkin went up against peak Ovechkin for two years (08 and 09).

Ovie got like 240-some first place Hart votes to Malkin's 15 or so.

The players had Ovie ahead as well.
 

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