Player Discussion What do we have in J.T. Miller? | Part 2

[IgorGonzola]

The Domi/Galchenyuk trade was bad, I’ll give you that. But you’re really going to attack Chayka for making the Kessel trade while Benning made an even bigger blunder moving similar assets for Erik freaking Gudbranson? Come on.

I’m not saying Chayka is perfect, far from it. But his so-called cap anchors, Kessel and Stepan, are at least contributing at the NHL level.

IMO Peter, the Derek Stepan/Raanta for 2017 - 7th overall pick (Lias Andersson) and Tony DeAngelo is looking terrible for Chayka.

Stepan has just 6 goals and 6 assists this year with a $6.5 Million cap hit, that’s brutal. Raanta lost the starting job to Kuemper and has look awful since Kuempers injury. Raanta’s cap hit is $4.25 million.

Meanwhile DeAngelo is having a career year 8 goals 20 assists. And NYR have a good prospect in Andersson who was drafted 7th overall

It’s a trade that is not looking good for Chayka

 

[M2Beezy]

JT Miller

 

[WTG]

JT Miller

 

[F A N]

Okay... so the Flames weren't initially looking to trade Niewendyk. They had trouble signing Nieuwendyk and traded him for a recently drafted player. If the Canucks have trouble signing Horvat at the end of his deal I would say trade him.

As for Dallas, they made the playoffs within 2 years of Niewendyk's acquisitions. More importantly, they won a Cup in the 4th season Niewendyk was with the team and Niewendyk won the Conn Smyth. If the Canucks win the Cup in year 4 of Miller's contract with Miller winning the Conn Smyth, would you not agree that the trade was a great trade for the Canucks?

Absolutely! 100%! I'd even agree it was a very good trade if the Canucks made the conference finals during that time.

Earlier, you specified an outcome that would make you change your mind and think the trade wasn't good. But then you gave me the impression you were moving away from that position, that you were saying because of Miller's play, the trade was good regardless of any evaluation of the timing. All I'm saying is that timing has to be part of it. That's it.

I think the timing is bad, you think it's good. That's a clear disagreement, and time will tell who is right. But the conversation seems to keep sliding back and getting muddied.[/QUOTE]

No worries lindgren. I appreciate the discussion. I'm not one to care about being right or wrong. If I am wrong I am wrong.

 

[F A N]

I can’t tell your answer FAN. Would you have thought it reasonable for Detroit to trade for JT Miller this summer?


Is there a team it would’ve made absolutely no sense to? Why?


Are there teams that you think are best suited to have made the move other than Vancouver.


I don’t agree on your stances on the Jets at all. Scheifele, Trouba, Hellebuyck, Morrissey and Laina were the stars that pushed them into contending. Along with Ehlers and Connor plus the vets from Atlanta days.

Next time you make a post addressed to me can you please quote me? I want to engage in the discussion with you.

Anyhow, I think a JT Miller trade doesn't make sense for Detroit because they don't have the type of young talent the Canucks have currently. If you look at their roster from last season, they lost Nyquist (who was their 3rd best scorer) and Kronwall (who was one of their best Dman). They also have subpar goaltending.

As for the Jets, you don't have to agree with my stance. That's fine. My opinion is that that they didn't get much out of having a young core of Wheeler, Buff, Little, Ladd and Kane.

As you said, the Jets are apparently out of their window of Cup contention. When do you think they will be contenders again?

 

[4Twenty]

Next time you make a post addressed to me can you please quote me? I want to engage in the discussion with you.

Anyhow, I think a JT Miller trade doesn't make sense for Detroit because they don't have the type of young talent the Canucks have currently. If you look at their roster from last season, they lost Nyquist (who was their 3rd best scorer) and Kronwall (who was one of their best Dman). They also have subpar goaltending.

As for the Jets, you don't have to agree with my stance. That's fine. My opinion is that that they didn't get much out of having a young core of Wheeler, Buff, Little, Ladd and Kane.

As you said, the Jets are apparently out of their window of Cup contention. When do you think they will be contenders again?

Detroit has young talent they have a bunch of veterans signed to term eating up roster and salary space.

So from this response can I assume you think only Detroit shouldn’t have traded for Miller? Or only Detroit shouldn’t be reading firsts? Is this correct?

I don’t think Winnipeg is out of their window. I was attempting to interpret what you’ve written. I also don’t think that “core” that failed was anything more than a decent collection of players. Hardly some elite young core that flopped which is what is seems like you’re suggesting.

 

[F A N]

Detroit has young talent they have a bunch of veterans signed to term eating up roster and salary space.

So from this response can I assume you think only Detroit shouldn’t have traded for Miller? Or only Detroit shouldn’t be reading firsts? Is this correct?

Huh? I think you need to work on your reading comprehension there. You specifically asked about Detroit. I didn't say ONLY Detroit shouldn't have traded for Miller.

I don’t think Winnipeg is out of their window. I was attempting to interpret what you’ve written. I also don’t think that “core” that failed was anything more than a decent collection of players. Hardly some elite young core that flopped which is what is seems like you’re suggesting.

Huh? Again, you might need to work on your reading comprehension there. I said that they wasted their core. Clearly I didn't think it was a "core that failed."

 

[Canucks1096]

I am just happy that nobody is calling JT Miller a middle 6 winger anymore.

 

[M2Beezy]

I am just happy that nobody is calling JT Miller a middle 6 winger anymore.

I was miserable until that point too

 

[sting101]

Is it possible Miller pulls a Brad Marchand type career trajectory.

He finally gets a front line gig in the prime of his career with a PP that should be amongst the best with the group they can ice. Marchands best season was 55 pts at the same age as Miller?
He's clearly attached to Petey and Boeser for the foreseable future. A 23 yr old Pettersson is gonna be something special and Hughes also?

I keep coming away impressed by Miller. Just a huge addition with the right skill set and timing for this group to get better

 

[4Twenty]

Huh? I think you need to work on your reading comprehension there. You specifically asked about Detroit. I didn't say ONLY Detroit shouldn't have traded for Miller.



Huh? Again, you might need to work on your reading comprehension there. I said that they wasted their core. Clearly I didn't think it was a "core that failed."

Ironic.

 

[Buzz Gunderson]

Miller has been a heck of an addition. I knew he was a good solid player but I didn’t think he would be the teams 2nd best forward over the first half of the season. I was hoping he would stay on a line with Bo early in the year but you can’t argue with the success he’s having playing Petey and Boeser. The guy is exactly what this team needed at this stage of this rebuild. You can’t continue to have those young kids getting their teeth kicked in night after night.

 

[4Twenty]

The fallacy that the kids got their teeth kicked in last year is annoying.

 

[Green Blank Stare]

Justified Trade Miller

 

[Buzz Gunderson]

The fallacy that the kids got their teeth kicked in last year is annoying.

They got their brains bashed in for four years in a row before this season. Less so last year but they are much more competitive this year with Miller, Myers, Hughes and Demko. Too bad Ferkland looks like damaged goods

 

[Melvin]

The fallacy that the kids got their teeth kicked in last year is annoying.

All we heard last year is that they had Gudbranson to protect them which was super important and valuable.

Weird that they're doing so much better without that Pylon.

 

[Buzz Gunderson]

I’m afraid you misunderstood guy. I was talking about the kids getting their teeth kicked in on the scoreboard. No idea what Erik Gudbranson has to do with anything.

 

[Melvin]

I’m afraid you misunderstood guy. I was talking about the kids getting their teeth kicked in on the scoreboard. No idea what Erik Gudbranson has to do with anything.

I dunno. Were you one of the guys constantly talking about Guddy this time last year?

It's so hard to have honest discussion on here because you don't know who you're talking to.

 

[bandwagonesque]

I dunno. Were you one of the guys constantly talking about Guddy this time last year?

It's so hard to have honest discussion on here because you don't know who you're talking to.

Would the fact that he mentioned Gudbranson at some point last year make him relevant to this conversation? I'd go as far as to say it probably wouldn't, unless Gudbranson is automatically relevant to everything, an idea that has gained traction lately.

 

[Melvin]

Would the fact that he mentioned Gudbranson at some point last year make him relevant to this conversation? I'd go as far as to say it probably wouldn't, unless Gudbranson is automatically relevant to everything, an idea that has gained traction lately.

The phrase "teeth kicked in" is permanently tied to Gudbranson, like it or not. We heard for months last year that Gudbranson was necessary to prevent this from happening. Now it's Miller that's preventing this from happening.

I just want to know who I'm talking to, is all. Dealing with 3-4 "new" accounts every day is exhausting.

 

[Buzz Gunderson]

The phrase "teeth kicked in" is permanently tied to Gudbranson, like it or not. We heard for months last year that Gudbranson was necessary to prevent this from happening. Now it's Miller that's preventing this from happening.

I just want to know who I'm talking to, is all. Dealing with 3-4 "new" accounts every day is exhausting.

Twas not me. “Teeth kicked in” is a fairly common phrase, especially when talking about the Canucks the posts few seasons.

For the record I was not a fan of Erik Gudbranson. He was overpaid by a few hundred percent.

 

[Bobby9]

He’s a nice guy

 

[Svencouver]

Justified Trade Miller

Jenerational Talent

 

[polarbearcub]

Jt miller is a a f***ing really good hockey player. He has far more skill than I thought he did. Great at tipping pucks specifically

 

[Oliewud]

hes our new kesler