Player Discussion What do we have in J.T. Miller? | Part 2

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Wrong again? Speak for yourself. Yes, I agreed the Sedins doesn't worth 7.5 million dollars at that stage of their career, but mind you that they have been underpaid for years before. Compare to the signing for Benning, this isn't even the worst. Sbisa for 3.5 million? LOL! Gudbranson for 4 million? wow. Don't even mention Myers for 6 million dollars. That's a whole new level of stupidity. At least when the Sedins signed for that amount of money, they are still producing first to second line numbers.


Even with the Sedins a full rebuild is completely possible. Who let veterans players walk without any compensation? Who tried to compete every single year and failed miserably every year? (Mind you we can still miss the playoffs this year). Who signed or traded for useless players? (except for Eriksson, he just scored 30 goals before joining the Canucks, so Benning is off the hook on that one)? Who gave away prime asset such as a first round pick when they are not supposed to be competing? This is all on Benning.

We are not supposed to be competing..?..Okie Dokie..What should we be doing?...Have the building half empty and looking forward to the draft again.?...This is when the losing culture becomes 'acceptable'...At that point, players dont want to play here, and players leave....Then you become the Buffalo sabres, and get to start the rebuild all over again...Rinse and repeat.

We 'wasted' an asset on Miller.?..Nonsense..., it was a great trade...but I know i'm not going to change your mind (based on your Benning rant),and I have no interest in trying to.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

why would that matter? A year of his prime is gone regardless he is signed or not.

So?
He’s 26 for crying out load
Lots of prime years left

 

[Hoglander]

Miller is awesome, better than expected. But the timing was terrible, making it a bad trade. Imagine where we'd be if Hughes wasn't better than anyone expected either. Pretty laughable when you think about pinning your hopes on an undersized rookie dman.

We are saddled with bad contracts, we don't have the capspace to keep our good players, we are throwing away prospects and picks for the here and now, and really starting to look like we still aren't even good enough to make the playoffs - in an anomaly season. If that isn't enough to help some understand that it was a poor trade based on the timing of it, then nothing will.

It's just more age-gap bullshit.

 

[Luck 6]

Miller is awesome, better than expected. But the timing was terrible, making it a bad trade. Imagine where we'd be if Hughes wasn't better than anyone expected either. Pretty laughable when you think about pinning your hopes on an undersized rookie dman.

We are saddled with bad contracts, we don't have the capspace to keep our good players, we are throwing away prospects and picks for the here and now, and really starting to look like we still aren't even good enough to make the playoffs - in an anomaly season. If that isn't enough to help some understand that it was a poor trade based on the timing of it, then nothing will.

It's just more age-gap bullshit.

It wasn’t a poor trade based on the timing at all. We have a good young core, there is no issue selling some picks for some talented support players. Gillis refused to do this and got almost all of our support in free agency, this took far longer than it should have and opened our competitive window too late. That’s why our last core had such a short competitive peak, it was pissed away for many years.

Our playoff window is open now. As our young core gets better, we should be doing everything we can to get them proper support pieces. That includes trading picks, signing free agents, and developing prospects. Miller was an exceptional piece, that trade could not have turned out any better. We have him for several years, it’s not like he was a rental. At the price we paid we got an extreme bargain, we could trade him away for way more than that right now.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Miller is awesome, better than expected. But the timing was terrible, making it a bad trade. Imagine where we'd be if Hughes wasn't better than anyone expected either. Pretty laughable when you think about pinning your hopes on an undersized rookie dman.

We are saddled with bad contracts, we don't have the capspace to keep our good players, we are throwing away prospects and picks for the here and now, and really starting to look like we still aren't even good enough to make the playoffs - in an anomaly season. If that isn't enough to help some understand that it was a poor trade based on the timing of it, then nothing will.

It's just more age-gap bullshit.

you have a poor take

 

[Canucks LB]

Miller is awesome, better than expected. But the timing was terrible, making it a bad trade. Imagine where we'd be if Hughes wasn't better than anyone expected either. Pretty laughable when you think about pinning your hopes on an undersized rookie dman.

We are saddled with bad contracts, we don't have the capspace to keep our good players, we are throwing away prospects and picks for the here and now, and really starting to look like we still aren't even good enough to make the playoffs - in an anomaly season. If that isn't enough to help some understand that it was a poor trade based on the timing of it, then nothing will.

It's just more age-gap bullshit.

Instead of being stubborn, Just give up, and a crow along all of us, there’s no point even remotely Pretending this is not a good move

 

[Canucks1096]

Miller is awesome, better than expected. But the timing was terrible, making it a bad trade. Imagine where we'd be if Hughes wasn't better than anyone expected either. Pretty laughable when you think about pinning your hopes on an undersized rookie dman.

We are saddled with bad contracts, we don't have the capspace to keep our good players, we are throwing away prospects and picks for the here and now, and really starting to look like we still aren't even good enough to make the playoffs - in an anomaly season. If that isn't enough to help some understand that it was a poor trade based on the timing of it, then nothing will.

It's just more age-gap bullshit.

Pretend if you are on pace for 120 points, you are legit cup contender and you traded a 1st round pick for a rental, that rental was suppose to be a top 6 forward and he only put up 1 point in the regular season and 0 point in the playoffs and out in the 1st round. Are you saying it was a great trade because it was great timing? We should ignore the results?

We don't have cap to keep our young players? So you think Petey or Hughes or both will get traded?

 

[Vancouver_2010]

We are not supposed to be competing..?..Okie Dokie..What should we be doing?...Have the building half empty and looking forward to the draft again.?...This is when the losing culture becomes 'acceptable'...At that point, players dont want to play here, and players leave....Then you become the Buffalo sabres, and get to start the rebuild all over again...Rinse and repeat.

We 'wasted' an asset on Miller.?..Nonsense..., it was a great trade...but I know i'm not going to change your mind (based on your Benning rant),and I have no interest in trying to.

No, we are not supposed to, a tank season with more picks in our hands would have done wonders to our future. You named buffalo Sabres as a failure? How about Pittsburgh? How about Washington? How about Colorado?

Yes, that trade in my mind is nonsense. Teams like the Canucks should not waste prime assets on acquiring players like Miller. Another loss to the Columbus Blue jackets proved we are nothing without Markstrom. We are simply not ready to compete.

You wouldn't try to defend your position because you are wrong, plain and simple. Stop spewing nonsense in this forum.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Instead of being stubborn, Just give up, and a crow along all of us, there’s no point even remotely Pretending this is not a good move

I am not pretending, I am certain this is a bad move.

 

[Ace of Hades]

A lot of awful hot takes in this thread recently. Imagine thinking a first rder is more optimal to have over this current Miller.

 

[4Twenty]

I can’t even begin to think of where this team would be without Miller.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

No, we are not supposed to, a tank season with more picks in our hands would have done wonders to our future. You named buffalo Sabres as a failure? How about Pittsburgh? How about Washington? How about Colorado?

Yes, that trade in my mind is nonsense. Teams like the Canucks should not waste prime assets on acquiring players like Miller. Another loss to the Columbus Blue jackets proved we are nothing without Markstrom. We are simply not ready to compete.

You wouldn't try to defend your position because you are wrong, plain and simple. Stop spewing nonsense in this forum.

We're supposed to tank now with Markstrom,Hughes,Pettersson,Boeser,Horvat in the lineup..lmao...What do Pittsburgh and Washington have in common..?..They both had the #1 pick and drafted generational talents (I'm guessing thats what your going to come up with next?..we should tank for the #1 pick)

idiotic.

 

[Hit the post]

I can’t even begin to think of where this team would be without Miller.

Tampa Bay is still 3rd overall in the league without him.

 

[Star Ocean]

I can’t even begin to think of where this team would be without Miller.

A top pick for canucks

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I am not pretending, I am certain this is a bad move.

A top pick for canucks

Can a mid first round pick do this?

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Can a mid first round pick do this?

No, but we are not talking about a mid first round. Next year could easily be a lottery pick base on how this team collapsed.

 

[PG Canuck]

Tampa Bay is still 3rd overall in the league without him.

They got worse though and aren't one of the best teams in NHL history now. Wonder why.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

No, but we are not talking about a mid first round. Next year could easily be a lottery pick base on how this team collapsed.

Keep going til next season ends
Still have a long way

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Keep going til next season ends
Still have a long way

This team can't even win a game against the Senators without Markstrom. There is no denying that Miller is a great player, but at this stage we do not need him, and quite frankly we are wasting his prime.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

This team can't even win a game against the Senators without Markstrom. There is no denying that Miller is a great player, but at this stage we do not need him, and quite frankly we are wasting his prime.

Pittsburgh and Toronto both went 0-3 on the Cali trip
What’s your point

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Pittsburgh and Toronto both went 0-3 on the Cali trip
What’s your point

Seriously? Base on my post history you can't figured that out? This team is not ready to compete, to waste a prime asset to acquire him is quite frankly a stupid move. This kind of move should only be done when we are a top team, like the Canucks in 2011.

Oh, the Canucks were on their five games losing streak before a win against the Avalanche tonight.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

We are not supposed to be competing..?..Okie Dokie..What should we be doing?...Have the building half empty and looking forward to the draft again.?...This is when the losing culture becomes 'acceptable'...At that point, players dont want to play here, and players leave....Then you become the Buffalo sabres, and get to start the rebuild all over again...Rinse and repeat.

We 'wasted' an asset on Miller.?..Nonsense..., it was a great trade...but I know i'm not going to change your mind (based on your Benning rant),and I have no interest in trying to.

Yeah. Just look at the Colorado losers. Just losing all the way to the bank for being loosy loosers.


Obviously it is insanely hard to quantify but if I were on the team, seeing people not get rewarded based would be far worse then admitting you f***ed up and committing to an actual rebuild. Obviously far too late for that now...

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Seriously? Base on my post history you can't figured that out? This team is not ready to compete, to waste a prime asset to acquire him is quite frankly a stupid move. This kind of move should only be done when we are a top team, like the Canucks in 2011.

Oh, the Canucks were on their five games losing streak before a win against the Avalanche tonight.

doesnt change the fact that Miller is freaking awesome

 

[polarbearcub]

Guy is the most consistent player on the team. Gonna hit 80 points . Cost controlled at a fantastic deal for 3 more years. Phenomenal trade by Benning

 

[Vancouver_2010]

doesnt change the fact that Miller is freaking awesome

He is, but that doesn't change the fact Benning shouldn't trade our first round for him, which could a be lottery pick next season.