Player Discussion What do we have in J.T. Miller? | Part 2

[bandwagonesque]

How about St Louis? They have won the cup last year and most of their roster is built through draft. Imagine if we have tanked and traded our veterans for pick (instead of letting them go for nothing). This should be a cup year, not a struggle to make the playoffs.

This isn't what you were originally arguing. You cited a series of teams to support the notion of tanking, all of which experienced exceptional luck in both getting 1st overall picks and having potential superstars available when they did, then implied this is the norm for teams that perform badly for several seasons, which is not true.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

This isn't what you were originally arguing. You cited a series of teams to support the notion of tanking, all of which experienced exceptional luck in both getting 1st overall picks and having potential superstars available when they did, then implied this is the norm for teams that perform badly for several seasons, which is not true.

St Louis never tanked either (even then though they spent 5 out of 6 seasons out of the playoffs)...The guy arguing this is all over the map.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

This isn't what you were originally arguing. You cited a series of teams to support the notion of tanking, all of which experienced exceptional luck in both getting 1st overall picks and having potential superstars available when they did, then implied this is the norm for teams that perform badly for several seasons, which is not true.

Sigh, are you really gonna continue doing this? Look, you know you are standing on thin ice, why are you still arguing something you are losing? Let it go already.

Look at Buffalo Sabres, they are not a good team right now, but they are doing it right through the draft, seeing how many young players already making a splash. Have they intentionally acquired a good player to stop their rebuild in their tracks? No, the only time they did trade away their first round pick in recent history is when they have two first round picks in 2019.

Buffalo Sabres Draft History at hockeydb.com

If we can tank this year and traded our veterans for more picks, we will be in a much better shape in a few years.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

St Louis never tanked either (even then though they spent 5 out of 6 seasons out of the playoffs)...The guy arguing this is all over the map.

They never tanked, that is very true, but have they signed more than 22 million dollars on useless players? That is a very different scenario. Our cap issue doesn't allowed us to sign good players anymore, the only way to dig our way out is through tanking. All thanks to Benning.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Sigh, are you really gonna continue doing this? Look, you know you are standing on thin ice, why are you still arguing something you are losing? Let it go already.

Look at Buffalo Sabres, they are not a good team right now, but they are doing it right through the draft, seeing how many young players already making a splash. Have they intentionally acquired a good player to stop their rebuild in their tracks? No, the only time they did trade away their first round pick in recent history is when they have two first round picks in 2019.

Buffalo Sabres Draft History at hockeydb.com

If we can tank this year and traded our veterans for more picks, we will be in a much better shape in a few years.

Buffalo Sabres are heading into their 9th season out of the post season..They have gone from failed rebuild to rebuild with your method...You couldn't have picked a worse example.

Your grasping.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Sigh, are you really gonna continue doing this? Look, you know you are standing on thin ice, why are you still arguing something you are losing? Let it go already.

Look at Buffalo Sabres, they are not a good team right now, but they are doing it right through the draft, seeing how many young players already making a splash. Have they intentionally acquired a good player to stop their rebuild in their tracks? No, the only time they did trade away their first round pick in recent history is when they have two first round picks in 2019.

Buffalo Sabres Draft History at hockeydb.com

If we can tank this year and traded our veterans for more picks, we will be in a much better shape in a few years.

The Buffalo Sabres, who you are apparently citing as evidence of the virtue of tanking and never trading 1st round picks while in a rebuilding phase, have missed the playoffs for 8 straight seasons and are about to miss them for a 9th, despite winning the draft lottery when a presumed generational player was available and getting the second pick when two were available. None of your arguments are making any sense, or even seem oriented to defend the point you appear to be trying to make.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

The Buffalo Sabres, who you are apparently citing as evidence of the virtue of tanking and never trading 1st round picks while in a rebuilding phase, have missed the playoffs for 8 straight seasons and are about to miss them for a 9th, despite winning the draft lottery when a presumed generational player was available and getting the second pick when two were available. None of your arguments are making any sense, or even seem oriented to defend the point you appear to be trying to make.

That's very rich coming from you. Seriously, how many playoff round have we won despite trying to make the playoffs every year? We are sadly on the same boat as buffalo, but our future is somehow less bright than them.

This is the worst for us canucks fan, we are neither tanking, nor are we competing for a playoff spot (other than this year, but then we could still miss the playoffs).

 

[bandwagonesque]

That's very rich coming from you. Seriously, how many playoff round have we won despite trying to make the playoffs every year? We are sadly on the same boat as buffalo, but our future is somehow less bright than them.

This is the worst for us canucks fan, we are neither tanking, nor are we competing for a playoff spot (other than this year, but then we could still miss the playoffs).

If you want to take the general view that tanking is a good idea, fine. Citing examples that either enjoyed spectacular luck while tanking or have tanked ineffectively doesn't support it.

 

[Hoglander]

I hate Benning, but dude... the Sabres are an example of doing this wrong, not right. Like, it's not even close. Just look at ROR's comments about that team.

I'm not saying the Canucks have done it right, but the Sabres sure as hell haven't done it right.

At this rate, Eichel will demand a trade too.

 

[vancityluongo]

The ski resort legend is back hell ya missed you dude

 

[bandwagonesque]

The ski resort legend is back hell ya missed you dude

Is that him? I assumed it was a certain banned poster because of the bizarre, socially conservative rules the resort was going to have.

 

[VanJack]

I was as gut-punched as anyone when Benning traded a first-rounder for Miller. But I guess J.T's overwhelming success in VanCity is proof positive that sometimes it takes different ways to build a team. He's now hit the 70 point plateau and a good bet for 80-85 before the season ends. Still only 26, but on a cost-controlled contract for the next three seasons.

And I note that Tampa has already traded the Canucks first rounder to the Devils in the Blake Coleman deal. So from their perspective, the trade becomes Blake Coleman and a third rounder from the Canucks for J.T. Miller and Nolan Foote, a promising young forward. I'm not liking those optics from the Lightning's standpoint.

This deal could still blow up in the Canucks face if they were to miss the playoffs this season and next. And only then if the Canucks were one of the worst lottery teams. And you can understand why the likelihood of that is pretty remote.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

While doing so in a non playoff year (most likely), that is really useful for us. Another four years his prime is over, sorry you couldn't possibly convince me this is a good trade. The evidence against it is too much.

Do you know how long 4 years is in professional sports?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

If there isn't a Miller available, that is okay as well because we will have our picks, instead we should have built our teams around the draft when we are rebuilding/retooling. You are right, the pacific is wide open and we are still barely holding on to the wild card, that speaks volume truly how weak this team is. That isn't defeatist, that is just logic.

A mid first round? Without Miller we would be a lottery team.

So you would have draft 5th ~13th and a slim chance of top 3 than having Miller

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

How about St Louis? They have won the cup last year and most of their roster is built through draft. Imagine if we have tanked and traded our veterans for pick (instead of letting them go for nothing). This should be a cup year, not a struggle to make the playoffs.

Lmao what?
St Louis acquired ROR after an early exit of playoffs and years of mediocrity

 

[Grantham]

Love me some JT. Was almost in a depressed state when the trade first occured, as it seemed we would be giving up a lottery pick, and I didn't expect JT to be this good. I was finally in a good place, and then Jimbo goes and throws away Madden and a potentially high 2nd (in deepest draft in a decade+) for a rental. Back to hockey depression that us fans are so familiar with.

 

[DFAC]

He’s been our best player this year. Amazing player - composed and a true professional. Quietly goes and puts up points

 

[DonnyNucker]

He’s been our best player this year. Amazing player - composed and a true professional. Quietly goes and puts up points

He is better than Elias. Shocking. Our most dominant offensive player and he is teaching the younger players how to up their intensity. No one could have predicted this

 

[VanJack]

J.T. Miller has grabbed this team by the scruff of its neck and is almost single-handed trying will them into the playoffs. Markstrom and Miller have the team's two MVP's by a country mile this season.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I LOVE IT

 

[Bankerguy]

I want us to keep winning but the reality of the situation is that even if we end up losing this to St Louis, the experience for our core is really invaluable.
It should also maybe give a bit of a nudge to guys like Tanev and Markstrom that they're apart of something with a direction, there's light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe it'll help them resign them.

 

[rypper]

Kind of bad form to leave the account names visible on a national broadcast...

 

[F A N]

Kind of bad form to leave the account names visible on a national broadcast...

Nah. Public tweets are public.

 

[elitepete]

Pretty moronic if you ask me. Why not talk about the McCann trade or the Eriksson contract or the Myers contract or the Juolevi pick?

 

[Intangibos]

Good for them, they're proud they finally didn't get fleeced in a trade.