Player Discussion What do we have in J.T. Miller? | Part 2

[F A N]

So we look at timing to determine if the trade is good or not? So we ignore end results? The end results is there is a good chance the 1st round pick is around 20th overall. Sure no one expected a ppg 1st line forward. I was predicting around 60 to 65 P I remember. Miller put a 56 P season playing with Hayes and Grabner so there was definitely upside to produce more with Petey.

So pretend if you are a cup contender and you traded a 1st round pick for a rental but that player didn't produce any points and signed with another team, the team didn't get pass the 1st round. You are saying it is still a good trade Because it was good timing because they are cup contender and we ignore the results?

I was being sarcastic. I was making fun of the arguments made by other posters here.

 

[Canucks1096]

I was being sarcastic. I was making fun of the arguments made by other posters here.

Sorry, my fault, I didn't realize that

 

[F A N]

Sorry, my fault, I didn't realize that

No worries. I completely agree with your post.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

You're only amazed because you don't get it. It's all about timing. Haven't you heard? Trading for Miller was a bad deal for the Canucks because of risk! That pick is going to be the 1st overall pick. You know it! No one expected Miller to be a near point per game 1st line winger so the fact that he is just that still makes it a bad trade for the Canucks because of timing! Miller trade was a great trade for TB because they needed cap space and Benning didn't negotiate!

This Coleman trade is a great trade for TB because of timing. They are going to win the Cup with Coleman as their 3rd line C!

What do you think this parody does here?

Are you making fun of the fact that there was no reason to expect Miller to double his production when given the opportunity to play with lesser players than he did in Tampa?

Or are you making fun of the fact that Benning overpaid for an asset that Tampa was forced to move?

Or are you making fun of the fact that we are not a cup contender, with or with out Miller?

I just want to know what bad point you are trying to hit home with your funnybusines.

 

[JAK]

Even if Miller was not producing at this rate, it would have been a good trade.

Controlled cost, a player that fights and wins pick battles to free up space for the stars, win faceoffs.

That is the type of player Canucks wanted to play with Pettersson.

 

[ArtursSilovsShirt]

What do we have in JT Miller?

A point-per-game player and an incredible human being. I hope he's a Canuck for the rest of his career!

READ --> Heads & tails surprise

 

[Bleach Clean]

What do you think this parody does here?

Are you making fun of the fact that there was no reason to expect Miller to double his production when given the opportunity to play with lesser players than he did in Tampa?

Or are you making fun of the fact that Benning overpaid for an asset that Tampa was forced to move?

Or are you making fun of the fact that we are not a cup contender, with or with out Miller?

I just want to know what bad point you are trying to hit home with your funnybusines.

It’s probably trying to parody all critique of the trade at the time, valid or otherwise, in order to bait the response you have provided.

The logic of the critique isn’t being addressed, then or now.

 

[PG Canuck]

BAD TRADE

 

[Canucks LB]

Might be our MVP this year, I cannot believe how good he has been.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Might be our MVP this year, I cannot believe how good he has been.

He's been fantastic, agreed. I'm wondering if people think this is his new normal though? Seldom do players hit their peak performance windows after age 25. Has the true talent of this player changed?

Next, without context firmly affixed to any analysis of this trade, we cannot discuss it seriously. A poor team trading a potentially unprotected 1st is batty. I think most would agree with that sentiment. Does that matter as much now when he’s doing well? That is up to each poster making a judgement.

For me, if the pick is 20+, they have mitigated most of the potential cost for the player. They avoid the lottery and the variance of the 2021 draft. However, I would also say that some posters are jumping the gun before that actually happens.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Quietly surpassed Pettersson for the points lead last night. Has also set career highs for goals and points, and is tied with his career best for assists, too. Dude’s having a beast of a season.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

He's been the best forward on the Canucks this year, although I would argue Hughes and Markstrom have been more valuable.

So far his trade has been Benning's best to date, (though that might not be saying much).

 

[HockeyWooot]

I can’t believe how well his been, night in night out. When we got him I thought 65pts would be great, this is just insane.

Even if he wasn’t scoring, his overall play has been incredible. No idea he was so good on face offs either.

 

[JTmillerForA1stLOL]

Just checking in guys.

 

[I am toxic]

And this is how you achieve mediocrity purgatory as a team - JT Miller having a beast of a season, while our bottom 6 cost us games and prevent us from contention, while consuming massive amounts of cap space for term.

Once Edler/Myers/Tanev age out in a year or so, and EP and QH come off their ELC's, and we lose one of Demko or Marky, we will finally have cap space - but that will just go to EP/QH/goaltending/maintaining forward depth, leaving a massive hole in the top4D after QH.

Add in that we have given up Madden, a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd, and the odds are stacked against having later round over-achievers coming in soon to fill the holes in D for cheap, and we are consigned to mediocrity purgatory throughout the RFA years of EP/QH, whose talent - along with Miller's outstanding play - will prevent us from bottoming out, such that when those two hit their UFA years, we won't have similar talent on ELC's to be in contention.

Another decade of mediocrity purgatory, and no Stanley Cup contention. Despite having a future HHoF C and HHoF D in their early 20's.

We went 12 seasons before our first SCF. Another dozen to our second. Then another 17 years for our third. Looking like it will be another 17 years before we even sniff a fourth appearance.

So yay for JT Miller, having a great season.

But what a lousy trade.

 

[brock hughes007]

Might be our MVP this year, I cannot believe how good he has been.

I'd say him and Markstrom are the mvps this year.

 

[canuckfan75]

unreal work rate can honestly say has not taken a game off this year

 

[SillyRabbit]

Even if Miller was not producing at this rate, it would have been a good trade.

Controlled cost, a player that fights and wins pick battles to free up space for the stars, win faceoffs.

That is the type of player Canucks wanted to play with Pettersson.

As someone who was not a fan of this trade, I agree here.

Miller did not have to be this good for the trade to pay off.

He’s been better than literally anyone could’ve imagined. Not even Benning himself expected this.

I’m very pleasantly surprised and honestly impressed.

Even if this is a career year for him, and he regresses a bit next year, he’s more than proven to be a capable first line player.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

And this is how you achieve mediocrity purgatory as a team - JT Miller having a beast of a season, while our bottom 6 cost us games and prevent us from contention, while consuming massive amounts of cap space for term.

Once Edler/Myers/Tanev age out in a year or so, and EP and QH come off their ELC's, and we lose one of Demko or Marky, we will finally have cap space - but that will just go to EP/QH/goaltending/maintaining forward depth, leaving a massive hole in the top4D after QH.

Add in that we have given up Madden, a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd, and the odds are stacked against having later round over-achievers coming in soon to fill the holes in D for cheap, and we are consigned to mediocrity purgatory throughout the RFA years of EP/QH, whose talent - along with Miller's outstanding play - will prevent us from bottoming out, such that when those two hit their UFA years, we won't have similar talent on ELC's to be in contention.

Another decade of mediocrity purgatory, and no Stanley Cup contention. Despite having a future HHoF C and HHoF D in their early 20's.

We went 12 seasons before our first SCF. Another dozen to our second. Then another 17 years for our third. Looking like it will be another 17 years before we even sniff a fourth appearance.

So yay for JT Miller, having a great season.

But what a lousy trade.

So the Canucks problem is getting a top line, ppg, 220 pound, dominant faceoff taker, team hit leader on a cost friendly contract? If we get a few more of these we would be what? The Bruins?Tampa Bay? Maybe we can get Morgan Reilly for a mid-first next, after that McKinnon lets say a couple of first just to be fair? Is that the road to mediocrity? Getting great players on good contracts is not the road to mediocrity. Doing nothing but hoping to draft stars year after year is the way to mediocre results. Look at all the top teams draft histories none of them are exceptional though all did hit stars. Vancouver already has hit two, now is the time to add l, not wait.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Been saying this for months I will say it again
JT Miller is a 26 years old first line forward that wins a shit tons of faceofffs, kills penalty and makes 5.25m until 2023.
He is literally a fictional player

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

And this is how you achieve mediocrity purgatory as a team - JT Miller having a beast of a season, while our bottom 6 cost us games and prevent us from contention, while consuming massive amounts of cap space for term.

Once Edler/Myers/Tanev age out in a year or so, and EP and QH come off their ELC's, and we lose one of Demko or Marky, we will finally have cap space - but that will just go to EP/QH/goaltending/maintaining forward depth, leaving a massive hole in the top4D after QH.

Add in that we have given up Madden, a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd, and the odds are stacked against having later round over-achievers coming in soon to fill the holes in D for cheap, and we are consigned to mediocrity purgatory throughout the RFA years of EP/QH, whose talent - along with Miller's outstanding play - will prevent us from bottoming out, such that when those two hit their UFA years, we won't have similar talent on ELC's to be in contention.

Another decade of mediocrity purgatory, and no Stanley Cup contention. Despite having a future HHoF C and HHoF D in their early 20's.

We went 12 seasons before our first SCF. Another dozen to our second. Then another 17 years for our third. Looking like it will be another 17 years before we even sniff a fourth appearance.

So yay for JT Miller, having a great season.

But what a lousy trade.

What a shitty take
Quit on drink and start on those plants

 

[I am toxic]

What a shitty take
Quit on drink and start on those plants

Billy, I like your post.
It's full of sh . . . well, anyway, I like it

 

[DonnyNucker]

He's been fantastic, agreed. I'm wondering if people think this is his new normal though? Seldom do players hit their peak performance windows after age 25. Has the true talent of this player changed?

Next, without context firmly affixed to any analysis of this trade, we cannot discuss it seriously. A poor team trading a potentially unprotected 1st is batty. I think most would agree with that sentiment. Does that matter as much now when he’s doing well? That is up to each poster making a judgement.

For me, if the pick is 20+, they have mitigated most of the potential cost for the player. They avoid the lottery and the variance of the 2021 draft. However, I would also say that some posters are jumping the gun before that actually happens.

Oh we are still a poor team are we. You have impressive standards

 

[DonnyNucker]

Billy, I like your post.
It's full of sh . . . well, anyway, I like it

You really are toxic lol. At least you own it

 

[Bleach Clean]

Oh we are still a poor team are we. You have impressive standards

Where did I write the word "still"?