Player Discussion What do we have in J.T. Miller? | Part 2

[Canucks1096]

If Canucks end up winning the Division, assuming they don't to go to the conference finals and other 3 division winners have more points. That pick will be be 24th overall or lower. 24th pick for a 60 to 70 points scorer is a great deal

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Man, some of you try way too hard to justify not liking this trade, it’s sad to read honestly

 

[F A N]

Well you're pointing to things that aren't based on luck to try to dismiss the idea that this year has indeed been lucky in certain areas (particularly a lack of injuries and a terrible conference).

I think you're the one being dismissive here. Do you think the Blues would have won the Cup last season without Binnington? Were they "lucky" that Binnington cleared waivers then? You're not going to win the Cup if you don't have some luck on your side as far as bounces going your way and key players managing to stay healthy. At the same time, if a team has enjoyed relatively good health throughout the roster and are winning they aren't winning because they are merely lucky.

Again, the Canucks were one of the leaders in mans games lost in the previous few seasons. Were they bad because they weren't lucky? At some point you have to admit that they simply weren't good enough and weren't deep enough.

As for your second point - I'm not sure if I have ever explicitly argued that, but I'd agree with it. Chicago in 2010 is a great example of the benefits of ELCs. That's not the same as signing a bunch of depth players to long-term deals that will still be ongoing when our ELC contracts end, though - if that's what you're implying with the Canucks.

So if you agree with it, why aren't you supportive of the idea to push forward when you have Petey and Hughes still on their ELC?

Critics need to stop being described as bitter or "haters", it's an immature view that lacks all nuance and context with this organization. But it appears that we're just talking over each other now, so this debate looks like it has run its course.

And critics calling supporters Benning Bros is ok?

 

[DarrenX]

Oh,..is that the mantra now..?..This season is an anomaly.?...lol

Yes, yes it is. The Athletic had us at 85 points and probably out of the playoffs (25% chance of making it). This is a surprise.

The Miller trade has turned out much better than expected. The player is better and the price (the pick) is likely lower than expected.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I think you're the one being dismissive here. Do you think the Blues would have won the Cup last season without Binnington? Were they "lucky" that Binnington cleared waivers then? You're not going to win the Cup if you don't have some luck on your side as far as bounces going your way and key players managing to stay healthy. At the same time, if a team has enjoyed relatively good health throughout the roster and are winning they aren't winning because they are merely lucky.

Bad comparison - the Blues have been Cup contenders for almost a decade and have great management. They have made multiple runs over the years and played the odds.

Again, the Canucks were one of the leaders in mans games lost in the previous few seasons. Were they bad because they weren't lucky? At some point you have to admit that they simply weren't good enough and weren't deep enough.

Or they just had injury prone players like Tanev. He's been consistently injured every season he's played.

So if you agree with it, why aren't you supportive of the idea to push forward when you have Petey and Hughes still on their ELC?

Not when you have ~20 million tied up in replacement level depth players. I agree with the idea, not how it was executed.

And critics calling supporters Benning Bros is ok?

Maybe not, I've learned the ignore function is a more conducive solution.

I think you need to ascertain the meaning of the word 'anomaly' as much of this argument could have been avoided if you knew what it meant.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Man, some of you try way too hard to justify not liking this trade, it’s sad to read honestly

Agreed. It would be nice if we could move on and just talk about the player. Some people just feel the need to always be right.
It looks like a great trade at this point no matter what camp you’re in, now let’s talk about Miller.

 

[M2Beezy]

Agreed. It would be nice if we could move on and just talk about the player. Some people just feel the need to always be right.
It looks like a great trade at this point no matter what camp you’re in, now let’s talk about Miller.

Yeah

 

[F A N]

Bad comparison - the Blues have been Cup contenders for almost a decade and have great management. They have made multiple runs over the years and played the odds.

Bad comparison? Didn't the Blues miss the playoffs in 2017-2018? Let's just ignore that because it's convenient?

Or they just had injury prone players like Tanev. He's been consistently injured every season he's played.

Sure. Tanev managing to stay healthy has been a boon for the Canucks. Which other injury prone player on the Canucks have remarkably stayed healthy thus far?

Not when you have ~20 million tied up in replacement level depth players. I agree with the idea, not how it was executed.

So your opinion then is to do nothing to take advantage of Petey and Hughes on their ELC? Okay got it.

Maybe not, I've learned the ignore function is a more conducive solution.

I think you need to ascertain the meaning of the word 'anomaly' as much of this argument could have been avoided if you knew what it meant.

I know the meaning of the word anomaly. I just disagree with your dismissive views. Few teams manage to stay on top for long. Just because you can't see the Canucks as a rising team and the others potentially taking a step back doesn't mean this "parity" we are seeing couldn't be predicted. But there are people who believe in global warming and there are people who believe that the Earth is still following a natural climate cycle.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Miller has been fantastic, his ability to take and win faceoffs has really changed the dynamic of the 1st line by allowing them to gain possession immediately.

 

[canuckking1]

 

[Canucks1096]

I predicted about 60 points for Miller when the season started. I been waiting for him to fade away a little. Looks like it is not happening. He will end up with 72 to 75 points.

 

[Icebreakers]

Point per game now for JT MIller with 52 points in 52 games. Stole the puck from the Islanders, made a play to get the puck up the ice for Hughes to finish the game. Just a complete player.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Point per game now for JT MIller with 52 points in 52 games. Stole the puck from the Islanders, made a play to get the puck up the ice for Hughes to finish the game. Just a complete player.

It was a gamble at the time (possible cap dump for a lottery pick) but it has certainly worked out in our favour.

 

[docbenton]

Miller's been the best forward all year, his impact on the team has been comparable to Quinn Hughes, driving possession in a way that no other forward has been able to do. Pettersson is a solid third in terms of overall impact.

 

[LordBacon]

Can’t believe I’m giving jb credit but he gambled big and it paid off big as well.
This is probably jbs best trade of his career.

 

[PG Canuck]

Worth a first rounder and more right now. Probably around the 4th or 5th most important Canuck on this roster. Could probably even argue he’s top 3

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Worth a first rounder and more right now. Probably around the 4th or 5th most important Canuck on this roster. Could probably even argue he’s top 3

He's pretty much our Swiss army knife player (like how Burke described Pavelski in the 2010 Olympics). Can plug him into any line and he'll be the glue that holds it together.

 

[PG Canuck]

He's pretty much our Swiss army knife player (like how Burke described Pavelski in the 2010 Olympics). Can plug him into any line and he'll be the glue that holds it together.

Pretty much. He’s become just as important as Horvat, but with better offense. Miller being a stud at draws is just the cherry on top.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Pretty much. He’s become just as important as Horvat, but with better offense. Miller being a stud at draws is just the cherry on top.

I am a bit butt hurt that Yahoo Fantasy hasn't updated Miller's eligibility as C/LW/RW (he's just LW/RW right now). You'd think taking all of the face-offs would be enough.

 

[PG Canuck]

I am a bit butt hurt that Yahoo Fantasy hasn't updated Miller's eligibility as C/LW/RW (he's just LW/RW right now). You'd think taking all of the face-offs would be enough.

Sometimes sites have weird regulations. He may have to start games as a center for it to count but I’m unsure.

 

[Knight53]

Imagine having this guy on Kesler's wing back in 2011.

He's a monster on the ice, and off with helping guys like Virtanen reach a new level.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Imagine having this guy on Kesler's wing back in 2011.

He's a monster on the ice, and off with helping guys like Virtanen reach a new level.

He was drafted in 2011

 

[Knight53]

He was drafted in 2011

Meant caliber of player

 

[WetcoastOrca]

We struck gold! Not sure there was a better, more impactful trade this off season.

 

[Hansen]

Imagine having this guy on Kesler's wing back in 2011.

He's a monster on the ice, and off with helping guys like Virtanen reach a new level.

He's on pace to outscore Kesler's best season as a Canuck (40 goals is a big number though, even if he had 73~ points to a PPG Miller)