Too small of a sample size to peg him as a legit #4(same as Klefbom being a 2/3 guy) But I've been a big fan of his since his days with the Pats
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I think its a bummer that we could very well lose him to expansion, especially if he improves this year.
That would mean the Oilers would actually have good defense this season if he's the Oilers #4 guy and actually taken. Since most years people believe the Oilers defense wouldn't even make their rosterI think its a bummer that we could very well lose him to expansion, especially if he improves this year.
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I think its a bummer that we could very well lose him to expansion, especially if he improves this year.
meh. he'd be a 1 year rental for an expansion team. shouldn't be too hard to pay a pick to get them to pick someone else.
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The issue with that guy's posts is I've yet to see him link a source for how he finds these numbers. He also seems to focus on one stat only to draw his conclusions, and one that I've never seen anyone except him use to determine a defenseman's ultimate effectiveness.
Besides, any system that results in Adam Larsson being the best D in the league ahead of perennial Norris trophy guys like Keith, Doughty, etc., with guys like Erik Karlsson way down on the list, probably isn't the most reliable.
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Haha... I read only the last post and of course I know you are talking about our savant... OilerBear.
I agree that his "filtering" technique can be used to show pretty much anything that fits a narrative: take all D, now only those that have good "box" protection (insert value that makes it work... who knows if that's "good"), now remove all D who played 2nd comp, now take out the ones born in January, now take out the ones who didn't kiss a girl until they were 15. And there you have it. Larsson is the best STUD defenseman in the league
Nevertheless... I feel we're blessed to have him, even though ~40% of the time I don't follow the argument, most of the time it is intriguing all the same.
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Vatican Roulette
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I like Lowry but the rest is blech. Doubt the Oilers are the team to be asking defenseman for
I agree . Also he does not say Larsson is the best D in the League , just the best defender . I am not buying it . Not that I think Larsson is bad but until he can lead a pair of defenders himself without Green ( Remember Fayne ) I will wait and see . He does upgrade our D . The question is how much . If Klefbom stays healthy and his play is on the same level as last year before he went down and Larsson out plays him on the top line we will have a decent top pairing . Not elite but middle of the pack which is a big improvement .
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davidson would be ? He's an rfa signed at like a mill and a bit and looked like our best dman before he got injured. Klef was out but he looked better than sekera
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almost all NHL goalies start their careers as back ups, they either progress into starters or don't. talbot has shown hes able to the carry the load for the oilers and be a good starter.
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Reduce goals against.
With reasonable health and development of McDavid and Draisaitl, they'll score enough goals.
Defense is better with Larsson and a reasonable bet that one of Nurse, Reinhart or Osterle gets to an average level, but we still need a veteran D-zone stopper to cover for and teach the kids, and a lot better effort from the forwards when the opponent has the puck - especially in the defensive zone.
We'll see if McLellan and Chiarelli can get the forwards to do better or if they need a different makeup, more two-way players and less speedy scorers who coast on D.
With reasonable health and development of McDavid and Draisaitl, they'll score enough goals.
Defense is better with Larsson and a reasonable bet that one of Nurse, Reinhart or Osterle gets to an average level, but we still need a veteran D-zone stopper to cover for and teach the kids, and a lot better effort from the forwards when the opponent has the puck - especially in the defensive zone.
We'll see if McLellan and Chiarelli can get the forwards to do better or if they need a different makeup, more two-way players and less speedy scorers who coast on D.
You guys really need that D workhorse and Nurse could evolve into that but the problem is most of these guys who do become workhorses have others there who can help them in their early years and you guys lack that vet leadership.
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Just what the Oilers need - more forwards and less defensemen, which has been their Achilles heel.
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Exactly. Trade a promising young D man in Davidson for 2 forwards and a small 7th round draft pick? Why?
Above trades, we need guys to play with heart and soul like they give a **** night in and night out. They need to play with pride and for each other. Klefbom and Davidson continuing to progress into a top pairing and 2nd pairing D man respectively would help. As would one of Nurse/Oesterle/Reinhart developing into a solid 3rd pairing D man this season.
I see this mention a lot . Not sure it would be legal . Las Vegas would have to let teams know in advance who they are picking and I am not sure it would be aloud or if it would be tampering because take it one step further and ask Las Vegas to draft this guy or that guy for you . This guy is left unprotected we need him take him and trade him to us for a 1st rd pick . It would just create a cluster **** having them letting team know in advance . But hey what do I know
Cost would have gutted the team . Better to go for Larsson and add another solid D thru another trade . Even if it was RNH and 2017 1st for another offensive D . We come out of it would 2 goos D for Hall , RNH and futures . The Montreal Canadians want more then that for Subban . I think it was 2016 1st , Draisaitl , Nurse + . I forget the last piece . All guys on ELC with years of team control . I think Hall's trade was more base on Puljujarvi falling to us then it was about Lucic signing with us . From what I can tell Puljujarvi pushes the play like Hall did and is a better 2 way player with size to boot .
Who does EDM have that is the equivelent of Shea Weber?
This couldn't happen. MTL would only have recieved young gun forwards in a trade.
Great for fantasy, not so for winning games.
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They probably still need to shore up the defense a bit. After that, experience, experience, experience. I think their GM/coaching troubles are essentially fixed, at least enough to make the next step (playoffs appearance, or at least being in contention until the very end), which was a huge issue. Now they need another top 4 defenseman, time for the team to gel and time for the younger guys to gain a bit more experience. Hell, the experience thing isn't really as big of an issue if we're talking about just making the playoffs, but it will be an issue if we're talking about going deep in the playoffs.
I think they have a legitimate shot this season, but I fully expect them to be threatening by the spring of 2018.
Edit: goaltending could still be a question mark with how inexperienced Talbot is, but I also think he will be good enough. Teams don't really need elite goaltending to make it to the real season.
I think they have a legitimate shot this season, but I fully expect them to be threatening by the spring of 2018.
Edit: goaltending could still be a question mark with how inexperienced Talbot is, but I also think he will be good enough. Teams don't really need elite goaltending to make it to the real season.
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Before the Hall trade, I would have without hesitation. With him gone, I'm not so sure. Larsson and Tanev would likely play similar roles on the team anyways, so I'd probably pass.
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This doesn't help the Jets really, we have lots of depth guys already. If we trade assets for a D we need a quality top 4. Pass
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