Speculation: What do the Oilers need to do to take the next step?

[oilerbear]

Oilers are a vastly different team over last year . They have size , grit , an up graded D , more depth . What more do you think they need to do to becoming a good to great team ?

I know some will think this is better suited to the Oilers board but then you have fans that see the world thru rosy glasses . I am looking to hear from the true hockey fans and not the Oilers haters .

To me just base on cap

Out Hall and Nikitin = 10.5 million
In Lucic and Larsson = just under 10.2 million

Hall > Lucic
Larsson >>>>>> Nikitin

I am hoping to keep our C depth while adding a PM RHD . Not sure it possible but if it could be done I believe we are a playoff team

Every cup winner has had
1. Top 10 HSCA save% goalie
Talbot #2 hSCA goalie cumulative last 3 seasons

2. 3+ (2 in top 3) HSCA d
Larsson NJ last year.
1st comp
top 10 HSCA D;
#1 EVGA d;
Top 10 PKGAD

Davidson 31 games missed
2nd comp
top 30 HSCA D
Top 30 EVGA d
#5 PKGA D

Klefbom 52gm missed
1stcomp
Top 60 HSCA D
top 45 SA/60 D
#12 PKGA D

3. Even scoring depth

Mcdavid 37gm missed
#2 FWD 2.69 EVP/60
#10 Fwd EVG/60

Draisatl brought up 10gm into season
#20 fwd 2.20 EVP/60
#84 fwd .81 EVG/60

Eberle 26gm missed or injured
#26 fwd 2.13 EVP/60
#34 fwd .99 EVG/60

Pouliot 27gm missed
#37 fwd 2.05 EVP/60
#170 fwd .60EVG/60

Lucic played in LA
#40 Fwd 2.04 EVp/60
#84 fwd .81 EVG/60

Maroon played 16 gm
1.76 EVG/60
2.76 EVp/60

RNH 41gm missed or injured
#206 fwd 1.34 EVP/60
#244 fwd .45 EVG/60

Kassian: 36gm fell off Previous NHL production after 10 gm
.42 EVG/60
1.13 EVP/60
previous Production
.88 EVG/60
1.76 EVP/60

4. Minimal injuries.

 

[Hunter368]

Yeah on that team he is. On most other NHL teams he would be a 5th/6th

Agreed and he did that only over a very sample size of games.

 

[ThirdManIn]

Every cup winner has had
1. Top 10 HSCA save% goalie
Talbot #2 hSCA goalie cumulative last 3 seasons

2. 3+ (2 in top 3) HSCA d
Larsson NJ last year.
1st comp
top 10 HSCA D;
#1 EVGA d;
Top 10 PKGAD

Davidson 31 games missed
2nd comp
top 30 HSCA D
Top 30 EVGA d
#5 PKGA D

Klefbom 52gm missed
1stcomp
Top 60 HSCA D
top 45 SA/60 D
#12 PKGA D

3. Even scoring depth

Mcdavid 37gm missed
#2 FWD 2.69 EVP/60
#10 Fwd EVG/60

Draisatl brought up 10gm into season
#20 fwd 2.20 EVP/60
#84 fwd .81 EVG/60

Eberle 26gm missed or injured
#26 fwd 2.13 EVP/60
#34 fwd .99 EVG/60

Pouliot 27gm missed
#37 fwd 2.05 EVP/60
#170 fwd .60EVG/60

Lucic played in LA
#40 Fwd 2.04 EVp/60
#84 fwd .81 EVG/60

Maroon played 16 gm
1.76 EVG/60
2.76 EVp/60

RNH 41gm missed or injured
#206 fwd 1.34 EVP/60
#244 fwd .45 EVG/60

Kassian: 36gm fell off Previous NHL production after 10 gm
.42 EVG/60
1.13 EVP/60
previous Production
.88 EVG/60
1.76 EVP/60

4. Minimal injuries.

Injuries and a lack of Larsson/Lucic were not the only things keeping the Oilers away from being Cup contenders last year, no matter how much you want to try to filter or twist the stats to imply that.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Yes, he is.

A #4 right now

At the same age, Gryba was a top-4 defense-man on a playoff team in Ottawa when Karlsson went down with injuries.

Sample size bias is a huge issue.

 

[Major Happy*]

Yes, he is.

A #4 right now

On the Oilers? Sure, on most teams, nope.

 

[Boumsalot]

If Edm gets a legit #1 D-man rip pacific division

 

[Major Happy*]

If Edm gets a legit #1 D-man rip pacific division

Those are very easy to get.

Watch out.

 

[sportsdynasty]

I'm guessing he is either going with Jagr or Malkin

Jagr > Malkin

 

[DasKaiser]

trade the 2017 1st for a top pair RHD

Agree, but think it would take more. If it's a Franson, a 1st is too much, trade a 2nd or 3rd with a young d prospect. Would the 1st and prospect be too much for Vatenan or Hamonic?

 

[DasKaiser]

Acquire Shattenkirk and pray like hell that you can re-sign him. Gamble the 2017 1st on it, should be an enticing piece for STL.

If that's not an option then trade Puljujarvi for an equivalent D. Same concept as dealing the #4 pick that everyone expected, only greater value.

Shattenkirk WILL NOT sign in Edmonton and would be a complete waste of time and resources. Go after Weisnewski, if healthy or trade for Franson or perhaps Ellis??

 

[HarrisonFord]

Agree, but think it would take more. If it's a Franson, a 1st is too much, trade a 2nd or 3rd with a young d prospect. Would the 1st and prospect be too much for Vatenan or Hamonic?

You could get Franson for a 5th

 

[ThirdManIn]

Agree, but think it would take more. If it's a Franson, a 1st is too much, trade a 2nd or 3rd with a young d prospect. Would the 1st and prospect be too much for Vatenan or Hamonic?

In fairness, the poster said for a top pairing RHD. If Edmonton brought Frandon in to play on their top pairing it would be a sign that even the new regime is incompetent and should immediately be fired. Franson isn't even a second pairing D on a team trying to win.

 

[HarrisonFord]

In fairness, the poster said for a top pairing RHD. If Edmonton brought Frandon in to play on their top pairing it would be a sign that even the new regime is incompetent and should immediately be fired. Franson isn't even a second pairing D on a team trying to win.

100%. Sheltered 3rd pairing PP specialist

 

[ThirdManIn]

100%. Sheltered 3rd pairing PP specialist

Exactly.

I think my summary of what kind of player Franson is now will be to your liking. It's in the Franson to Edmonton thread

 

[OutForMilk]

Agree, but think it would take more. If it's a Franson, a 1st is too much, trade a 2nd or 3rd with a young d prospect. Would the 1st and prospect be too much for Vatenan or Hamonic?

I would say Hamonic is no longer a target in any way, Larsson is the same dman type already. No sense paying any more value for the same thing.

 

[McSuper]

Yes, he is.

A #4 right now

Davidson played like a true #4 last year but that was a very small sample size . I would not pencil him into the line up as anything more then A bottom pairing D until he out plays the other D and forces his way up the line up . The OBC did this for to long "handing out spots in the line up that wasn't earned " . See Schultz, Nikitin and more

 

[Fourier]

There are lots of comments about a top pairing RHD. Larsson is a top pairing RHD. He's played that role for a year and a half with considerable success. Defensively I'd venture to say he is probably in the half of that group. At ES he is sitting in a tie for 48th amongst all defensemen over the last two years despite an insane defensive bias in his role. What is missing in his resume is pp scoring. BUt if the Oilers had both Shattenkirk and Larsson I would be very surprised if Larsson was not the guy getting the most minutes on the top pair. Similarly if they got Barrie. Both Barrie and Shattenkirk would be very valuable. BUt it is a mistake to think that they would automatically supplant Larsson just because of their offensive superiority.

 

[McShogun99]

I think Edmonton would have been just under .500 if the lineup remained healthy. They started the season with to many soft/small players and a weak defence. I think with a healthy lineup, more experience for Mcdavid, Draisaitl and Nurse as well as the additions of Maroon, Larsson and Lucic that they can hover around 90 points next year.

 

[Chayos]

I think Edmonton would have been just under .500 if the lineup remained healthy. They started the season with to many soft/small players and a weak defence. I think with a healthy lineup, more experience for Mcdavid, Draisaitl and Nurse as well as the additions of Maroon, Larsson and Lucic that they can hover around 90 points next year.

In the west that probably misses the playoffs, but it would be a good start. I am hoping for the worst to first dream season, but yours is more likely!

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Davidson played like a true #4 last year but that was a very small sample size . I would not pencil him into the line up as anything more then A bottom pairing D until he out plays the other D and forces his way up the line up . The OBC did this for to long "handing out spots in the line up that wasn't earned " . See Schultz, Nikitin and more

And that's how teams should approach these youngsters who have potential, but still need to prove themselves over a larger sample size. Teams that pencil in players in their top-4 after a small sample size more often than not end up having issues at that position.

The Oilers need at least one more top four defender to go along with Larsson, Klefbom and Sekera, preferably one that's good at QB'ing the PP. If a guy like Davidson continues to impress, then all the better. That means they'll have quality D on the bottom pairing as well.

 

[Parliament]

I'd say nothing is going to change significantly until Oilers MGMT shows faith in their youth and ultimately trades one of their 1sts away. Until then, losers mentality continues IMO.

 

[Psychoil]

I'd say nothing is going to change significantly until Oilers MGMT shows faith in their youth and ultimately trades one of their 1sts away. Until then, losers mentality continues IMO.

I half agree. I think they need to man up and put that 1st round pick in play. Honestly it won't matter since we already have so many first round picks and our team is super young. We need help on d right now. If we trade the first round pick, we might get a player back who helps us climb the standings big time

 

[Homesick]

I'd say nothing is going to change significantly until Oilers MGMT shows faith in their youth and ultimately trades one of their 1sts away. Until then, losers mentality continues IMO.

They did that last year for Griffin ****ing Reinhart
Who do propose the Oilers offer up their 1st for? I would do it for a Shattenkirk rental but I don't think the Blues would and Oiler fans definitely wouldn't

 

[Oil Spill]

They did that last year for Griffin ****ing Reinhart
Who do propose the Oilers offer up their 1st for? I would do it for a Shattenkirk rental but I don't think the Blues would and Oiler fans definitely wouldn't

Oh he must mean one of our pervious first overall picks not first rounders, like which just did with Hall. Yet now that they do it it's called the dumbest move ever by a lot of HF. There is no right move they can make, as a Oiler fan i've come to accept this.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If Edm gets a legit #1 D-man rip pacific division

Yeah good luck with getting a legit #1 D-man they're expensive to get and are a dime a dozen.