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What changes next year?

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What changes?

  • New GM

  • New Coach

  • Big trade from the core

  • None of the above

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AuraSphere said:
Like I said in another thread:

Jack Campbell - Crying, blaming himself for the loss and letting his team down

Mitch Marner - States he had several chances, just didn't go in


The difference in leadership is unreal, Marner is our "A", get him out
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Did you see the little baby break a stick like he actually cares what a bitch Your child shenanigans are getting very old very quick Time to say goodbye Junior mint
 
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Start by firing the management team who paid four unproven playoff performers over $40M and let a new experienced management team make the changes needed to make this team a true playoff contender. They overpaid their young core when they didn’t need to and then overpaid for Foligno at the deadline. Other GM’s must lick their lips when Dubas calls them. Character guy but not cut out to be a GM of an NHL team. Shanahan had no management experience before coming to the Leafs and it shows. Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe all rookies at their jobs in the NHL. Wrong mix of players and counting on guys who clearly can’t compete anymore like Thornton show their lack of killer instinct. Standards are too low when the team just getting in the playoffs is enough for them. Ownership needs to set higher standards and make the necessary moves. Time to cut their losses and move on from this regime and core players or else nothing will change.
 
18 goals in 7 games in the playoffs, defense and goaltending wasn't the issue. And its the same problem as last year, forwards don't want to sacrifice. A very specific forward didn't even bother showing up for the series, one that makes nearly 11million.
 
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as much as i have been crying to trade Marner since his 'negotiation' this series loss is on Keefe.
Hyman should never under any circumstance be anyplace near the first line. ...no I know people love him, and in his proper role, so do I, but, his proper role is the 3rd line grinder.
When we had Mik - Kerf - Hyman as the 3rd line, that was a great 3rd line. This is where Hyman can shine.
I use Colorado or Boston as examples on how to build a top line, they dont saddle MacKinnon & Ratt with a grinder, or Pasternak & Bergeron with a grinder, they give then an offensive complimentary player on a near or like level.
I cant really fault Hyman for not scoring on all the chances he had, because, he's NOT a goal scorer.
He blocked a few shots that could have been goals, because he is also NOT an in front of the net player, and its not his fault that the coach put him there either. He tried his best, but, thats not his game.
Matthews got triple teamed because Marner and Hyman couldnt do squat, and that is how they shut down our top line. ...and Keefe did NOTHING to alter that, except use Nylander for a few shifts in Hyman's spot, and when he did that, we instantly had more o-zone time and were more threatening. Boston/Col have multi options to score, though both have ONE dominant scorer, we really only have Matthews as a scoring option on that line.

/rant off
 
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You can lay blame up and down the organization, from the players, coaching staff, scouting staff, gm, president, and you wouldn't be wrong, lol
 
francis246 said:
I think you have to fire Keefe. Not because he’s a bad coach. But he’s not the right coach for this group. This team needs a Babcock type coach that doesn’t cross the line. But isn’t afraid to hold his players accountable. Bring in Bruce Boudreau
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He got outcoached in Columbus and now vs Montreal against the same game plans!!!! He's terrible. Playing Joe Thorton on the PP? He shouldnt have had one second of ice time. He was awful.

This team needs a coach to kick them in the butt when they suck and a coach to praise when they r doing well. Balance. Keefe seems like his in lala land... just inexperienced all around.

Wouldnt mind a Tortz type coach ... and then go hard after Cassidy - hes easily the best coach in the league.
 
The only players I keep on offense are Nylander, Matthews, Hyman and Tavares. Only throwing Tavares in there because I believe he has a no movement clause. Everyone else needs to go.

On defense, everyone needs to go except Brodie
 
mydnyte said:
as much as i have been crying to trade Marner since his 'negotiation' this series loss is on Keefe.
Hyman should never under any circumstance be anyplace near the first line. ...no I know people love him, and in his proper role, so do I, but, his proper role is the 3rd line grinder.
When we had Mik - Kerf - Hyman as the 3rd line, that was a great 3rd line. This is where Hyman can shine.
I use Colorado or Boston as examples on how to build a top line, they dont saddle MacKinnon & Ratt with a grinder, or Pasternak & Bergeron with a grinder, they give then an offensive complimentary player on a near or like level.
I cant really fault Hyman for not scoring on all the chances he had, because, he's NOT a goal scorer.
He blocked a few shots that could have been goals, because he is also NOT an in front of the net player, and its not his fault that the coach put him there either. He tried his best, but, thats not his game.
Matthews got triple teamed because Marner and Hyman couldnt do squat, and that is how they shut down our top line. ...and Keefe did NOTHING to alter that, except use Nylander for a few shifts in Hyman's spot, and when he did that, we instantly had more o-zone time and were more threatening. Boston/Col have multi options to score, though both have ONE dominant scorer, we really only have Matthews as a scoring option on that line.

/rant off
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Keefe screwed up big time in this series. Made unnecessary changes that bit us in the ass, and refused to make adjustments that should have been made as the series wore on.

He is still a good young coach with potential though. I am hesitant to give up on him at this point in his tenure.
 
DueDiligence said:
I am surprised Spezza did not get more minutes ( averaged around 12:00 per game) especially when JT went down.
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Spezza led the Leafs in pp60 in the regular season and was #2 in the playoffs. It was a no brainer when JT went down where to put him, but Keefe turned out to be the no brainer himself. He completely failed to adapt a system that wasn't working.
 
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Mats13 said:
As pissed as I am, under no circumstances would I ever trade Auston Matthews.

Anyone suggesting that doesn’t understand hockey in the slightest bit.
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Agreed. Marner dragged him down. Matthews has at least proven that he can produce in the playoffs in the past.
 
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Mats13 said:
As pissed as I am, under no circumstances would I ever trade Auston Matthews.

Anyone suggesting that doesn’t understand hockey in the slightest bit.
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Understanding hockey is irrelevant. You need to understand Matthews.

You need to see this situation from an asset management standpoint:
  • 34 is UFA in 3 years
  • 34 doesn't exactly strike me as a "team leader" type
  • 34 has demonstrated his main concern is 34
After this historic collapse and all the criticism he is getting, which of the 2 scenarios is likely:
  1. 34 wants to shut up his critics and vows he will win a Cup in Toronto or retire here trying? OR
  2. 34 says screw this, I'm going to play where I want
?

And that is why you create a bidding war for 34
 
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Contenderorpretender said:
This is 99% on the players. How does this team blow a 3-1 series lead? I truly believe that the leafs need to get either a sports psychologist to spend an enormous amount of time with the core players. Or just bring in torts and let him grind them into the ground for 3 seasons and probably rebuild after that. How can this be such a mental hurdle. The lesser skilled team worked harder and capitalized when it mattered most.
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One game at the time...It's hard to lose 3-1 series, so they went with take it day by day, game by game.
 
Completely dominated again in a game that matters .. sure Price was good but so was Holtby, Rask and Korpisalo it is a repeating pattern where we get outgoalied .. injuries hurt sure but that is what occurs in playoff hockey no different than last year.. coaching was inflexible yes that is another repeating pattern .. Mitch is trying his best but lacks required 10% extra speed and strength required of playoff hockey yes but also a known issue .. Matty gets coverage against/doubled all night yes again a known issue .. and we lose to inferior teams because our best players play down to competition yes again repeating issue .. that we play perimeter possession hockey yes we do and again it is a known systematic issue for turnovers which are exemplified in playoffs which requires a much more simple game which we don't have .. that Rielly is fast but lacks brains/hands to make precise plays that a top offensive dman should make yes again a repeating pattern .. bringing in an over da hill HOF playoff underachiever like Jumbo (see Paddy) never works .. so many issues folks here but all repeating patterns over 5 years of 1st round exits

Again if nothing changes at top and with core it is very obvious da same sh*t will occur next year too .. but not sure we will even make playoffs next year folks .. Florida, Tampa and Boston are significantly better teams .. Montreal and Ottawa are improving squads . . it will be a huge battle to get a wildcard i think

If we remove Shanny/Dubie which I suspect is likely in coming days then it will take a couple years to REJIG this team by trading Mitch and Rielly to start to create CAP room and build a regular NHL squad which can compete in playoffs

Tough choices ahead for Larry but he knows da above facts .. such a bad state for our Leafs to be in really .. like I stated never send a boy to do a man's job .. and never rely on anything you hear from legal beagle Bettman as he only views us here in TO as his piggy bank
 
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Pookie said:
Understanding hockey is irrelevant. You need to understand Matthews and see this situation from an asset management standpoint.
  • 34 is UFA in 3 years
  • 34 doesn't exactly strike me as a "team leader" type
  • 34 has demonstrated his main concern is 34
After this historic collapse and all the criticism he is getting, which of the 2 scenarios is likely:

  1. 34 wants to shut up his critics and vows he will win a Cup in Toronto or retire here trying? OR
  2. 34 says screw this, I'm going to play where I want
?

And that is why you create a bidding war for 34
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While some of your points may be valid, we would be much worse off as a franchise if we move Matthews as opposed to Marner.
 
Pookie said:
Understanding hockey is irrelevant. You need to understand Matthews.

You need to see this situation from an asset management standpoint:
  • 34 is UFA in 3 years
  • 34 doesn't exactly strike me as a "team leader" type
  • 34 has demonstrated his main concern is 34
After this historic collapse and all the criticism he is getting, which of the 2 scenarios is likely:
  1. 34 wants to shut up his critics and vows he will win a Cup in Toronto or retire here trying? OR
  2. 34 says screw this, I'm going to play where I want
?

And that is why you create a bidding war for 34
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If you trading 34 , you might consider Eichel as you are creating a hole on C.
 
Clark4Ever said:
While some of your points may be valid, we would be much worse off as a franchise if we move Matthews as opposed to Marner.
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That's fine.

But if you look at those 2 options for how Matthews chooses to react:

1. I'm going to shut up my critics and win a Cup in Toronto if it takes me my whole career
2. I don't need this crap

The choice about whether to keep 34 isn't up to us. That decision will be made by Matthews and Matthews alone.

If you know the guy and think #2 is most probable... the path to take is quite clear.
 
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Arzak said:
If you trading 34 , you might consider Eichel as you are creating a hole on C.
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Maybe. But if we assume JT is healthy... we've got a 1C for a long time.

This is where Dubas has to embrace something different. Maybe a 1C with JT but some really solid D is a better path.
 
Mitch Matthews said:
The only players I keep on offense are Nylander, Matthews, Hyman and Tavares. Only throwing Tavares in there because I believe he has a no movement clause. Everyone else needs to go.

On defense, everyone needs to go except Brodie
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Why would you want to get rid of Muzzin?
 
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