With the All-Star game February 3rd, I can't see it happening before that (I'd be very surprised at least). That media coverage would be 100% all about that coming off a Western swing. I can't imagine MLSE wants that.
What can we do to get Keefe fired.
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Maybe he is just anxious to reunite with Dubass in Pittsburgh. He must miss Spezza big time too.
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That's actually the perfect time as it will give new coach and staff some time to acclimate with players during the break.
It seems to me that faster teams really give the Leafs problems this season. Another thing is that I see no defensive structure whatsoever. It's almost like Keefe just wants them to go out and try to outscore the opposition.
Very puzzling.
I'm fine with moving on, every coach has a shelf life and there's a good possibility he's reached his. My point was those upset over generic comments to keep the mood out of the gutter don't really understand what's happening and just want to be validated in their frustration. It's short sighted.
As for the rest, there's definitely a lot of Leafs-focus in the comment without understanding how it generally plays out across the league or even what Keefe's role is. In general Keefe's biggest issue is getting this team over the hump in elimination games and that's built up year over year. You could argue it's the players, but it's a bit of both IMO. Doesn't get Keefe off the hook, but taking good and bad teams to the brink of elimination multiple times suggests he isn't being dominated in matchups or systems. Stack on the way those games have played out, which is generally with very few chances given up and pretty even gameplay and it's tough to say he's sole or primary reason.
I can understand that argument, but I feel like there's a political/media side here that plays a big role in this market. I feel like the team already is dealt with kid gloves/shielded in many media situations (over the years) from the team and I can't imagine they want that stress added where they have a media circus++ in town.
I do wonder what impact Van Ryn is having on the defensive end.. Chenowyth was in that position last year I believe and now.. not?
You could bring in Torts .. introduce da left wing lock .. and drop back all 5 skaters and block shots all game long .. take all da speed out of da game .. then wait for a deflection and Willy beats a D with speed/skill for a breakaway goal .. hope for 1 nil wins
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I think I’m just at the point where I don’t care what they say. Keefe could sound like Jon Cooper tomorrow and be as eloquent as a lawyer. Or go John Tortorella. Doesn’t matter if they have the same on ice problems. Marner is never going to sound like team guy and leader Nick Foligno. Doesn’t matter. He’s kind of an obstinate, us agains the world kind of immature but what’s important is what he’s doing on the ice.
Coaching change. Meh, it’s obviously not all on Keefe. But it’s sloppy enough that an organization might want to try replacing that voice and seeing if they can optimize something. Or not. Feels kind of like a lost season in progress anyway.
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We’re discussing a coaching change… from what I can tell we’re on the same page about Keefe. You just jawing for fun?
I made a comment about how people are reading too much into these comments and overly critical of them. Then you quoted me about the comments
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You made a point that Keefe dressing down the team in the media would have all these massive political implications and people don’t understand.
All I’m saying is there are enough sports cliches out there where he could have torn a strip off or been harder on the group in public and it would have been typical coach speak (but we don’t have that culture of harsh self criticism here given he’s had to walk things back and be diplomatic).
Keep it civil, yeah?
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maybe the Leafs are waiting/hoping Cooper gets the Axe in TB ...or some other coach.
Cooper has mentioned a few times how much he likes/respects our club, and knows what its missing to win it all. ...desnt hurt that we always play them in the 1st round
Cooper has mentioned a few times how much he likes/respects our club, and knows what its missing to win it all. ...desnt hurt that we always play them in the 1st round
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I'm leaning towards that thought as well. Go with an Interim and see who is available in the summer.
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When people were saying, all these points in OT will make Toronto a stronger team, I was thinking what a pile of excuse making BS. I knew eventually their luck would change. I think this team has played 2 maybe 3 complete games this year, awesome team my ass.
Other stellar teams with 13 or less regulation wins
- Toronto 13
- Ottawa 12
- Minny 12
- Montreal 10
- Anaheim 10
- Columbus 09
- Chicago 09
- San Jose 08
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Lets say we wake up Monday morning and the Leafs are on a 7 game losing streak does that change the calculus on a coaching change? I've been on the goodbye Keefe train for at least 3 years but is change always better.
What if Boucher is our replacement head coach? Is that an improvement? Berube said on a podcast it would be an honor to coach the Leafs but is he a better option, did he just catch lightening in a bottle with SL, is he really, a good coach?
I'm on the coach Q or bust train but he is still banned and may never return.
Out there is Julien, Boudreau, Berube, Gallant, Crawford, Hartley, Quenneville... no name minor leaguer .... the pickings are slim TBH.
What if Boucher is our replacement head coach? Is that an improvement? Berube said on a podcast it would be an honor to coach the Leafs but is he a better option, did he just catch lightening in a bottle with SL, is he really, a good coach?
I'm on the coach Q or bust train but he is still banned and may never return.
Out there is Julien, Boudreau, Berube, Gallant, Crawford, Hartley, Quenneville... no name minor leaguer .... the pickings are slim TBH.
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The NHL would lose it's shit, if that weekend became all about the Leafs and not about the NHL and we all know Bettman is a vindictive little shit... would it really change anything if Tre shit canned Keefe today or the Monday after the ASG? Probably not but waiting certainly would take that trolls need for retribution away.
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I'd say yes, obviously.
But there is passing a test and not graduating.
There is passing a test, and graduating.
There is passing a test, and graduating with honours.
Getting into the playoffs is an achievement, but probably very few NHL coaches who wouldn't have done it with this iteration of the Leafs.
Let's just say he passed, but wasn't the top student.
Looking at the difference between our home and away record, I would suggest the coach is a huge part of the problem.
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