Confirmed with Link: Wes Clark leaves the Leafs for promotion with the Penguins

[socko]

Dubas gives away draft picks like candy on Halloween. I'm not sure he's the best guy to be an amateur scout for.

 

[leafers]

If shanahan believes he helps the organization, why would he let him go?

 

[francis246]

If shanahan believes he helps the organization, why would he let him go?

Because why should you force someone to be where they don’t want to be? If he doesn’t want to work for the organization you let him go and bring someone who wants to work for the leafs and give their all to the role, simple.

 

[aingefan]

He's 76 and I think he's planning to retire soon.

Oh ya, I know.
But I guess reports are that he’s training his protege, and the team has three total picks, the second will likely be traded and rounds 4-7 are his wheelhouse. So a ceremonial promotion for one year would be cool.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Darryl Belfry
Cam Charron
Jon Elkin
Jason Spezza
Kyle Dubas
Wes Clark
Laurence Gilman

Off the top of my head, Shammy is running a shitshow circus.

Dubas was fired. Spezza, Charron, Elkin and now Clark joined Dubas. Belfry got hockey ops for an ECHL team while Gilman was coming to the end of his contract. How does that compare to turnover at other teams? What does it gave to do with Shanny?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Weird I thought Shanny wanted to re-sign Dubas the day before he fired him. Funny.

He claims that he did. He slept over it and changed his mind about as per his claim.

 

[Niagara Bill]

He claims that he did. He slept over it and changed his mind about as per his claim.

You misremember. Ďubas demanded full power and already had secret meetings with Pitt.
When Shanny found òut he said bye bye. He was suckered. Good old Leafs never went after Pitt.
Dubas just wanted time with his family...total bs.
For those who think it is ok to be Pres and live in NYC..this is what happens. You lose contact with your peeps and allow them too much power.

 

[Leaf Fans]

You misremember. Ďubas demanded full power and already had secret meetings with Pitt.
When Shanny found òut he said bye bye. He was suckered. Good old Leafs never went after Pitt.
Dubas just wanted time with his family...total bs.
For those who think it is ok to be Pres and live in NYC..this is what happens. You lose contact with your peeps and allow them too much power.

No, remember well"- "Slept on that and woke up this morning, drove to Kyle's office ... and informed him that we were not going to be renewing his contract."- Shanny

 

[Apex Predator]

Guy who sold the Leafs on doing a proper rebuild was Shanny/leiweke, not Dubas lol.

Issue has, and will always be ownership at the end of the day. People think just because the Leafs have owners that will spend to the cap every year that they're perfect, but they clearly get involved with a lot more than thats led on. Not to mention all the leaks about issues within the board and them all wanting different things. Look no further than the state of every other Toronto major spot franchises MLSE owns, theyre all a complete mess right now with the same ownership.

Leafs need a solo owner who cares about winning! None of this corporate BS.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Not sure what to make of this... because it's hard to know what "infuence" he had at the draft table, and for which drafts.

Yes, the Leafs have an unspectacular prospect system, but that's more to do with the number of picks traded in recent years than it is poor use of those picks.

Especially the last couple of years.

2023 with Easton Cowan so far seems to be an incredible pick.

Fraser Minten and Dennis Hildeby have both shown a solid amount of promise so far.

Matthew Knies pick speaks for himself, and you can't really get too up or down with what happens with Ty Voit or Vyacheslav Peksa given where they were drafted.

As for 2020... so far that draft looks to be a real bust. Niemla seemed to be a nice pickup, but hasn't really developed in a streamlined fashion... beyond that, 11 more picks and nothing to really show for it.

Tverberg was a great pick in the 7th round. Almost made team Canada, which is unheard of for a 7th rounder. Was near ppg in NCAA and had 32 pts in 46 games last year in his first season in the AHL. He is tracking really well and will be knocking on the door for 4th line soon.

 

[ULF_55]

Until we see who replaces Clark, I'm not too worried. I like some of the Europeans we drafted recent years, and I don't think Clark played a big role in those decisions? Who are some teams that have drafted well in recent years? St. Louis, Detroit, Dallas?

If you can't hit on top 10 ...

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Pridham doesn't make the decisions to sign the guys to big contracts, he's just stuck with the task of making sure contracts are structured in a way to maximize cap flexibility based on the decisions made by higher-ups.

The Leafs have actually done a few pretty interesting things to either be cap compliant or to maximize mid season tdl capspace - be it paper transactions or things like reacquiring Clarkson from Vegas

Pridham literally wrote the CBA when he worked for the NHL. He's basically Houdini except instead of escape tricks he escapes out of our idiot GMs destruction of our cap space.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Leafs need a solo owner who cares about winning! None of this corporate BS.

The real answer.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Knies, Minten, Grebenkin were drafted under Dubas before Tree got here

Ok....3 guys that are not in the mold of "Meh" for size....how about the rest? Just look at the UFA's that Dubas signed a few weeks back....they are literal clones of each other in size....all under 5'11" and 190.

Schneider sucks.



Now do the AHL, there is a reason all the people got a promotion.

You mean the AHL team that won the championship with a bunch of ringers? We were paying some good AHL talent 200-400K to play here...that went a long way in winning.

 

[Stephen]

Schneider sucks.

Sounds like the Rangers are promoting Schneider to 2nd pair RHD ahead of Trouba, you better let them know he sucks before it’s too late.

 

[notbias]

Sounds like the Rangers are promoting Schneider to 2nd pair RHD ahead of Trouba, you better let them know he sucks before it’s too late.

I am sure they know... knowledgable as always though, good job.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Sounds like the Rangers are promoting Schneider to 2nd pair RHD ahead of Trouba, you better let them know he sucks before it’s too late.

They're busy winning regular season trophies. That's King to many in Toronto. Oh yeah, also regularly in the ECF. Maybe with Tim Lillegren or Ty Barrie they'd have the Cup. According to my calculations.

 

[notbias]

They're busy winning regular season trophies. That's King to many in Toronto. Oh yeah, also regularly in the ECF. Maybe with Tim Lillegren or Ty Barrie they'd have the Cup. According to my calculations.

I'm not sure you know what the word regularly means.

 

[Mess]

Dubas gives away draft picks like candy on Halloween. I'm not sure he's the best guy to be an amateur scout for.

Wes Clark is leaving in part for the damage Dubass had inflicted on the Leafs prior to his leaving in terms of surviving draft picks and the prospect pool.. When Dubas left the Maple Leafs organization back in the spring of 2023, he left his successor, Brad Treliving, with very little in the way of meaningful draft capital for the following UPCOMING 3 seasons of high (Top 4 rounds 120 players).

Dubas was fired prior to last season 2023-24 and our Maple Leafs don't own their own 2nd round draft pick until 2027 . That means Dubass used 2nd round draft capital 2024, 2025 and 2026 (3 years into the future) to fuel past playoff failure that already occurred prior to leaving in 2023. That is only 2nd rounders discussion.

Wes Clark better than anyone knows the damage of NO picks is NO fun and impacts his job as amateur scout.

Even worse still the Leafs need to surrender their 2025 or 2026 1st rounder to pay off the Jake McCabe trade. However a clueless Dubas even handcuffed Treliving even further, because things have gone from bad to worse for the Leafs after it was pointed out recently that they may not even be able to move their 2026 1st round pick, due to the conditions of the Jake McCabe trade.

Per the conditions of the McCabe deal in 2022, the Leafs' 2025 1st round pick could actually slide to 2026, as the 2025 pick they sent to Chicago was "top-10 protected".

Are the Leafs actually going to be a bottom 10 team in the league this season? Well, no - they likely won't be. However, as long as it's mathematically possible for the Leafs to drop into that bottom-10 range, it appears as though they won't be able to move the pick. Regardless of hamstringing Treliving with ridiculous trade clause years into the future, he also handcuffed Wes Clark because its still either/or 2025 or 2026 that his heading to Chicago to pay the piper for that trade. No pick so No work to do.

Wes Clark is like a RAT leaving a sinking Leafs prospects ship, all inflicted on Toronto by his new boss in Pitts at the expense of his former boss in TO, both the same person. So he scurries away and the next poor Amateur scout for Toronto has to walk into a job recovering from scorched earth damage inflicted by those no longer able to be held accountable.

 

[notbias]

Wes Clark is leaving in part for the damage Dubass had inflicted on the Leafs prior to his leaving in terms of surviving draft picks and the prospect pool.. When Dubas left the Maple Leafs organization back in the spring of 2023, he left his successor, Brad Treliving, with very little in the way of meaningful draft capital for the following UPCOMING 3 seasons of high (Top 4 rounds 120 players).

Dubas was fired prior to last season 2023-24 and our Maple Leafs don't own their own 2nd round draft pick until 2027 . That means Dubass used 2nd round draft capital 2024, 2025 and 2026 (3 years into the future) to fuel past playoff failure that already occurred prior to leaving in 2023. That is only 2nd rounders discussion.

Wes Clark better than anyone knows the damage of NO picks is NO fun and impacts his job as amateur scout.

Even worse still the Leafs need to surrender their 2025 or 2026 1st rounder to pay off the Jake McCabe trade. However a clueless Dubas even handcuffed Treliving even further, because things have gone from bad to worse for the Leafs after it was pointed out recently that they may not even be able to move their 2026 1st round pick, due to the conditions of the Jake McCabe trade.

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Per the conditions of the McCabe deal in 2022, the Leafs' 2025 1st round pick could actually slide to 2026, as the 2025 pick they sent to Chicago was "top-10 protected".

Are the Leafs actually going to be a bottom 10 team in the league this season? Well, no - they likely won't be. However, as long as it's mathematically possible for the Leafs to drop into that bottom-10 range, it appears as though they won't be able to move the pick. Regardless of hamstringing Treliving with ridiculous trade clause years into the future, he also handcuffed Wes Clark because its still either/or 2025 or 2026 that his heading to Chicago to pay the piper for that trade. No pick so No work to do.

Wes Clark is like a RAT leaving a sinking Leafs prospects ship, all inflicted on Toronto by his new boss in Pitts at the expense of his former boss in TO, both the same person. So he scurries away and the next poor Amateur scout for Toronto has to walk into a job recovering from scorched earth damage inflicted by those no longer able to be held accountable.

Just trade McCabe for a 1st+, it is easy, you will all stop whining, and we will get worse.

Treliving must be an idiot for not doing this.

 

[hotpaws]

Just trade McCabe for a 1st+, it is easy, you will all stop whining, and we will get worse.

Treliving must be an idiot for not doing this.

you're complaining about people whining , lol , you haven't stopped crying since that useless piece of crap Dubas was kicked to the curb like the trash he is

in case you haven't noticed almost all of your fellow Dubas fan club members have gone silent especially since his disastrous performance in Pitt so far

 

[Mess]

Reality Check back to Wes Clark ..

Due to the damage of Dubass, Wes Clark only made 3 draft selection total in 2021 (Only 1 in the top 150 drafted players)

He also left Treliving upon his departure for Wes Clark to make 3 draft selections in 2023. (Again only 1 pick in the top 150).

Leafs only had 1 pick in the top 120+ players from 2024 draft just complete when Treliving traded back twice to try and recapture draft capital and draft Ben Danford. (Again only 1 draft selection in top 120).

Without BT trading back and acquiring Florida's 2nd rounder in 2025 the Leafs had ZERO picks in rounds 1 - 4 of this upcoming 2025 draft with their own first selection available the mid 5th round.

So you put yourself in any Director of Amateur scouting shoes for a moment and your Clueless GM due to his reckless disregard for Leafs future at the expense of fueling his incompetent complete playoff failure of losing in the 1st round playoffs year after year and mortgaging the future at levels NO NHL team has faced.

When you sit on the road for 1000's of hours away from friends and family in cold junior arenas, sleeping in motels around the World scouting just so you get to make 1 pick every top 120 players year after year, how can you blame anyone from leaving that level of damage on your job responsibilities of trying finding and providing talent for the NHL club?.

 

[notbias]

Reality Check back to Wes Clark ..

Due to the damage of Dubass, Wes Clark only made 3 draft selection total in 2021 (Only 1 in the top 150 drafted players)

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He also left Treliving upon his departure for Wes Clark to make 3 draft selections in 2023. (Again only 1 pick in the top 150).

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Leafs only had 1 pick in the top 120+ players from 2024 draft just complete when Treliving traded back twice to try and recapture draft capital and draft Ben Danford. (Again only 1 draft selection in top 120).

View attachment 894029

Without BT trading back and acquiring Florida's 2nd rounder in 2025 the Leafs had ZERO picks in rounds 1 - 4 of this upcoming 2025 draft with their own first selection available the mid 5th round.

So you put yourself in any Director of Amateur scouting shoes for a moment and your Clueless GM due to his reckless disregard for Leafs future at the expense of fueling his incompetent complete playoff failure of losing in the 1st round playoffs year after year and mortgaging the future at levels NO NHL team has faced.

When you sit on the road for 1000's of hours away from friends and family in cold junior arenas around the World scouting just so you get to make 1 pick every top 120 players year after year, how can you blame anyone from leaving that level of damage on your job responsibilities of trying finding and providing talent for the NHL club?.

More misinformation, he wasn't leading the draft in 2021.... it is shocking how little you know about the team.

 

[francis246]

Reality Check back to Wes Clark ..

Due to the damage of Dubass, Wes Clark only made 3 draft selection total in 2021 (Only 1 in the top 150 drafted players)

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He also left Treliving upon his departure for Wes Clark to make 3 draft selections in 2023. (Again only 1 pick in the top 150).

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Leafs only had 1 pick in the top 120+ players from 2024 draft just complete when Treliving traded back twice to try and recapture draft capital and draft Ben Danford. (Again only 1 draft selection in top 120).

View attachment 894029

Without BT trading back and acquiring Florida's 2nd rounder in 2025 the Leafs had ZERO picks in rounds 1 - 4 of this upcoming 2025 draft with their own first selection available the mid 5th round.

So you put yourself in any Director of Amateur scouting shoes for a moment and your Clueless GM due to his reckless disregard for Leafs future at the expense of fueling his incompetent complete playoff failure of losing in the 1st round playoffs year after year and mortgaging the future at levels NO NHL team has faced.

When you sit on the road for 1000's of hours away from friends and family in cold junior arenas around the World scouting just so you get to make 1 pick every top 120 players year after year, how can you blame anyone from leaving that level of damage on your job responsibilities of trying finding and providing talent for the NHL club?.

Wes Clark took over in 2022

 

[DarkKnight]

For a guy who’s supposedly thinks outside of the box, Dubas never seems to go outside his comfort zone. Always comes back to what he knows, I find it boring now actually. The Soo, get over it.