Prospect Info: Welcome to Montréal, Jesperi Kotkaniemi (1st round pick, 3OA 2018 - signed ELC)

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FWIW, plenty of terrible skaters produced good numbers in the CHL in recent years. You dont even have to look far, we had a wealth of them on our own roster and one guy who we just drafted, McShane, went ppg despite having some of the worst mechanics Ive seen for this year.

Kotkaniemi's skating isn't pretty, but he gets where needs to be and its not the issue some are trying to make it. I'm saying this as someone who does value speed and skating quite a bit. One thing that I don't understand is why singling him out as a player who benefits from time and space ? If anything, that would describe some of the guys we drafted out of the CHL. I'd say the opposite personnally: one thing that's endearing about JK is that his standout skills are translatable: strong down low, high compete and 2nd efforts, quick hands in tight, accurate shot from the slot, excellent use of Ds as screens, quick to find the open players.

And, if were talking production. Well, he had the 7th all time highest points this season for a player his age in Liifa. Think about Zadina, who was his age last year playing in Extraliga and struggling to get a point.

Another thing to keep in mind is his 5 nations performance on an NHL rink. The production didn't match how good he was, especially for a player who hadnt been a center in months. But, he was creating chances all over and after an adjustement period, he wrecked the Swedes. Its on hockeytv if you ever want to watch it.

wow. good read. has me pumped. I wanted him but it did still feel like an anti-climactic pick. The more I see and hear, I think we might have our guy. I've said it a million times but I think he just has a TON of room to improve and I don't think you can say the same for Zadina. I think Kotka does have a really high ceiling and it might not be that far out of reach for him to hit it. Just has to work like a demon on his skating. Everything else seems to be there. Good thing is he could still be hugely effective even if his skating doesn't improve as much as we'd want.
 

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He’s in that Toews/Kopitar mould. If you want to be a top centre without top speed then you better anticipate plays correctly, you better not get outmuscled and you better protect the puck well. Kotkaniemi does all of those things.
 

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JK's skating technique got me thinking: anyone have any idea what ressources the Habs have available for development purposes ?

I'm talking skills/skating development for example. Why I ask, is because when I look around the league, there are teams where their players seem to significantly improve: Barkov made huge leaps in his skating after being drafted, seems like half of TB's roster improved their skating (Point being the big one), Draisaitl in Edmonton, etc (heck, even Barzal, who was already a great skater).

Meanwhile, Scherbak, Galchenyuk, McCarron and Hudon did improve a bit (well, Hudon a lot), but we don't have any of those success stories (Maybe Pacioretty ? He was already good, but he came into the league an even more powerful skater. That's a while ago though). Much of JKs skating problems are technique, not power or strength related, which is very workable. But, he needs the right coach.
 
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JK's skating technique got me thinking: anyone have any idea what ressources the Habs have available for development purposes ?

I'm talking skills/skating development for example. Why I ask, is because when I look around the league, there are teams where their players seem to significantly improve: Barkov made huge leaps in his skating after being drafted, seems like half of TB's roster improved their skating (Point being the big one), Draisaitl in Edmonton, etc (heck, even Barzal, who was already a great skater).

Meanwhile, Scherbak, Galchenyuk, McCarron and Hudon did improve a bit (well, Hudon a lot), but we don't have any of those success stories (Maybe Pacioretty ? He was already good, but he came into the league an even more powerful skater. That's a while ago though). Much of JKs skating problems are technique, not power or strength related, which is very workable. But, he needs the right coach.

Doesn't seem like the habs have a dedicated skills/skating coach in their employ, at least not one that has been listed on the website. The Canucks, for example, have a dedicated skill coach: Glenn Carnegie. Toronto has Barb Underhill employed as a consultant. Oilers have David Pelletier. I'm sure more clubs have them.
 
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Does anyone know the contract issues with him?

I assume if he signs an ELC, he has the right to play in the NHL instead of playing for Assat.

Do posters believe the best plan is:
2018-2019: Assat + WJC
2019-2020: Laval / Part-time NHL
2020-2021: NHL full time


No rush is needed. LOL Keep giving me lottery draft picks!
 
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Does anyone know the contract issues with him?

I assume if he signs an ELC, he has the right to play in the NHL instead of playing for Assat.

Do posters believe the best plan is:
2018-2019: Assat + WJC
2019-2020: Laval / Part-time AHL
2020-2021: NHL full time


No rush is needed. LOL Keep giving me lottery draft picks!

He's surely going to play in the Liiga next year, even if he has a good camp. He needs to play C first in there (which he will do) before adapting into NA.

Thrilled with the pick though, such a great all around talent.
 

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I have him at

Year 1: Assat + WJC
Year 2 : Assat or Laval + WJC
Year 3: Laval or NHL
Year 4: Laval or NHL

I would rather him develop his game in the finnish league before coming to north america.

Also we need him to be developped early as center if he comes to North America let him dominate the AHL at center before moving him to the NHL.

At the NHL let me hin also play center. He will make error but in the long run it would be benefical.
 
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Doesn't seem like the habs have a dedicated skills/skating coach in their employ, at least not one that has been listed on the website. The Canucks, for example, have a dedicated skill coach: Glenn Carnegie. Toronto has Barb Underhill employed as a consultant. Oilers have David Pelletier. I'm sure more clubs have them.

Thanks, that's what I assumed.

I know Pierre McGuire sometimes raves about TB's skill development team on TSN690 (which he calls Tampa's "R&D").
 
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Its mind blowing he started the season at 17, ended the season at 17, still wont be 18 until july 7

already playing against the men, i mean ive been digging hard to find 17 yr old comparables to the same situation and production as Jesperi .... you will NOT find much...

Even Koivu didnt do a damn THING at 17 ... took off like a freaking rocket at 18 and 19 but so eye opening to see how many substantial fins over the years did not do what Jesperi did at the same age

Him winning gold at WJC U-18 is icing on the cake, to everyone who thinks the man has to score at a 2.0 PPG clip does NOT understand he brings DEFENSE awareness to the table which is invaluable to his player equation
 

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Its mind blowing he started the season at 17, ended the season at 17, still wont be 18 until july 7

already playing against the men, i mean ive been digging hard to find 17 yr old comparables to the same situation and production as Jesperi .... you will NOT find much...

Even Koivu didnt do a damn THING at 17 ... took off like a freaking rocket at 18 and 19 but so eye opening to see how many substantial fins over the years did not do what Jesperi did at the same age

Him winning gold at WJC U-18 is icing on the cake, to everyone who thinks the man has to score at a 2.0 PPG clip does NOT understand he brings DEFENSE awareness to the table which is invaluable to his player equation
18 year old Saku Koivu actually put up 10 points in 46 games. After that he did rocket though.
 

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18 year old Saku Koivu actually put up 10 points in 46 games. After that he did rocket though.

I was referring to that 10 point season as the "not a thing" lol but youre right, he was 17 until november 24th and then spent the rest of the season as an 18 yr old and finished with 10 points, how bout that, the argument gets better lmao

Edit : also i had to show my brother the other day your post lol JUST for the "Paul maurice Paul Maurice, Occupation : Paul Maurice, Location : Paul Maurice + the picture"

man we had a laugh, were big paul maurice fans lol
 

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I have him at

Year 1: Assat + WJC
Year 2 : Assat or Laval + WJC
Year 3: Laval or NHL
Year 4: Laval or NHL

I would rather him develop his game in the finnish league before coming to north america.

Also we need him to be developped early as center if he comes to North America let him dominate the AHL at center before moving him to the NHL.

At the NHL let me hin also play center. He will make error but in the long run it would be benefical.

Probably the smartest move for him. But at least if he does go to the AHL early, he’s going to get the proper coaching unlike the last 6 seasons for that farm team.
 

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He is currently being coached by his father. Let that continue at least through this upcoming season
 

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The big ice argument is so dumb. How many real top prospects never graduated because of the ice size? Non-issue. But something that is always brought up.
I couldn't really imagine a scenario where it presented any kind of barrier that couldn't be overcome outside of the small possibly of a short tournament, bur even then that seems unlikely to me.
 

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Doesn't seem like the habs have a dedicated skills/skating coach in their employ, at least not one that has been listed on the website. The Canucks, for example, have a dedicated skill coach: Glenn Carnegie. Toronto has Barb Underhill employed as a consultant. Oilers have David Pelletier. I'm sure more clubs have them.

It's mind boggling that we don't have anyone like this. I think Kovalev even offered himself and we said no.

I mean I get that maybe we don't need a full time guy, but it reeks of penny pinching. Why not have a Kovalev out there at the development camp working with the kids, showing them tricks/techniques and letting them know just how much work and practice went into developing his skills.
 

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The big ice argument is so dumb. How many real top prospects never graduated because of the ice size? Non-issue. But something that is always brought up.

I think the ice size is fairly irrelevant, but how can you tell that it didn't have an impact on the development of any top prospects? It's just like being brought up to the NHL to early, nobody can ever prove that it's the reason a prospect struggled.
 

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It's mind boggling that we don't have anyone like this. I think Kovalev even offered himself and we said no.

I mean I get that maybe we don't need a full time guy, but it reeks of penny pinching. Why not have a Kovalev out there at the development camp working with the kids, showing them tricks/techniques and letting them know just how much work and practice went into developing his skills.

Dekes and danglers are a big no no.

Waaaay too individualisse and risky.

Better go with good ol predictable grind and crash
 
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Its mind blowing he started the season at 17, ended the season at 17, still wont be 18 until july 7

already playing against the men, i mean ive been digging hard to find 17 yr old comparables to the same situation and production as Jesperi .... you will NOT find much...

Even Koivu didnt do a damn THING at 17 ... took off like a freaking rocket at 18 and 19 but so eye opening to see how many substantial fins over the years did not do what Jesperi did at the same age

Him winning gold at WJC U-18 is icing on the cake, to everyone who thinks the man has to score at a 2.0 PPG clip does NOT understand he brings DEFENSE awareness to the table which is invaluable to his player equation

Lehkonen compares well since both are July birthdates that played in Liiga at 17. Lehkonen had 1 more pt in 12 less games, he was 2nd on his team in goals and pts. Kotkaniemi was 2nd on his team in assists and 3rd in points.
 
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Lehkonen compares well since both are July birthdates that played in Liiga at 17. Lehkonen had 1 more pt in 12 less games, he was 2nd on his team in goals and pts. Kotkaniemi was 2nd on his team in assists and 3rd in points.

At the same time, Lehkonen played 18 games in Liiga at 16. So he had a slight advantage of knowing the speed of the league going into it again in his draft year.
 

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At the same time, Lehkonen played 18 games in Liiga at 16. So he had a slight advantage of knowing the speed of the league going into it again in his draft year.

Leks was so good as a junior.. I wonder if its the style of game Julien is employing that is hurting some of these young players. Not that the head dunce is helping by surrounding them with waiver wire players. He's so good, it was sad to see his decline last year.
 

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At the same time, Lehkonen played 18 games in Liiga at 16. So he had a slight advantage of knowing the speed of the league going into it again in his draft year.

which shows you how good he was at that age, at 16,

Lehkonen - U-20 Jr A - 40-28-26-54 +22 54 pims
Kotkaniemi - U-20 Jr A - 17-9-6-15 +6 18 pims

There play at the U-18's,

Lehkonen - 14-10-9-19 +5 18 pims
Kotkaniemi - 14-4-11-15 +10 37 pims
 
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