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[The Feckless Puck]

Glendale isn't an option. They offered Meruelo a sweetheart deal to own the arena and get some prime real estate to develop and he still turned them down flat.

Houston it is. Hell, the team is already in the Central... as if this was already predetermined.

 

[rt]

I don't think it's fair to blame ownership on this one. Meruelo had a master plan and had negotiated a great deal for the City of Tempe. The bottom line is the voting population in Tempe is by and large a bunch of morons. I can't find a positive argument against the arena deal.

You can’t find any reason to vote no? Me neither. Yet a huge majority did just that. Why? Because Meruelo invested nothing into this campaign. It was terribly run and on minuscule budget. They took a dive.

The only thing in favor of keeping the Coyotes is the Sportsbook that was issued to the Coyotes and the other major league sports teams. Meruelo is in the betting business.

They aren’t even using their gaming license. It’s generating no profit. Probably losses. Nobody uses it. It’s got 318 followers on Twitter. It’s a shell. Like the campaign was a shell.

The real hurdle is finding a place for the arena, to overstate the obvious. There is no place in the Phoenix area that would work. Certainly not anywhere in the City of Phoenix. Tempe is out of the question.

A lot of fans abhor the idea of the west valley. Oddly enough, Glendale might be the Yotes best chance. Glendale really needs a regular tenant and the Coyotes need an arena. Perhaps if the Hockey Gods shine down on the Coyotes, someone with some common sense in the Glendale City Council, will put bad blood behind them and reach out to the Coyotes and make a deal that works for everyone. It would be in the best interest in both parties. It's sounds absurd, but I don't see any other answer.

The only other option I can see, is Houston!

If there’s a Plan B, the ownership group and the NHL sure aren’t sounding like it.

 

[Nowotny]

Why would he spend all of that money for Mullett and then spend only $250k on this campaign?

Why the bazillion dollars in LTIR contracts at the trade deadline? Why a $0 coming back policy on the Chychrun trade? I’ve got questions, man. Big time.


Something is not right. They spent next to nothing on digital advertising. They spent 25% of Christian Fischer’s salary on this campaign.

It doesn't add up unless something had changed.We may find out soon what that SOMETHING is

 

[MayDayMayDay]

Again…WHY?!?!?

Why would he buy this team, invest into Mullett and then let his gaming license and his arena campaign both just wither on the vine?

Yea, I'm with @rt on this one y'all. Something does not add up.

Meruelo put a lot of chips in the middle. But he didn't get himself pot committed.

And he still has that gaming license. There are more than enough chips to play with in his stack from that.

There's something they're not telling us.

@Art.Vandelay - where tf you at man?

 

[RABBIT]

Yea, I'm with @rt on this one y'all. Something does not add up.

Meruelo put a lot of chips in the middle. But he didn't get himself pot committed.

And he still has that gaming license. There are more than enough chips to play with in his stack from that.

There's something they're not telling us.

@Art.Vandelay - where tf you at man?

Ehhhh. who gives a shit at this point. We lost. Knowing the why will only hurt us more

 

[Nowotny]

Glendale isn't an option. They offered Meruelo a sweetheart deal to own the arena and get some prime real estate to develop and he still turned them down flat.

Houston it is. Hell, the team is already in the Central... as if this was already predetermined.

Houston Rockets own the only suitable arena in Houston.That means they will sooner or later need arena of their own.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I don't think it's fair to blame ownership on this one. Meruelo had a master plan and had negotiated a great deal for the City of Tempe. The bottom line is the voting population in Tempe is by and large a bunch of morons. I can't find a positive argument against the arena deal.

The only thing in favor of keeping the Coyotes is the Sportsbook that was issued to the Coyotes and the other major league sports teams. Meruelo is in the betting business.

The real hurdle is finding a place for the arena, to overstate the obvious. There is no place in the Phoenix area that would work. Certainly not anywhere in the City of Phoenix. Tempe is out of the question.

A lot of fans abhor the idea of the west valley. Oddly enough, Glendale might be the Yotes best chance. Glendale really needs a regular tenant and the Coyotes need an arena. Perhaps if the Hockey Gods shine down on the Coyotes, someone with some common sense in the Glendale City Council, will put bad blood behind them and reach out to the Coyotes and make a deal that works for everyone. It would be in the best interest in both parties. It's sounds absurd, but I don't see any other answer.

The only other option I can see, is Houston!

Oh ownership shit the bed alright. Piss poor campaign utilizing volunteers to spread the word was in a word PATHETIC.

 

[rt]

Ehhhh. who gives a shit at this point. We lost. Knowing the why will only hurt us more

This does make some sense, honestly. Either we got screwed by idiots or conmen. Either way we got screwed. And there will be no justice. So it doesn’t much matter.

 

[Edenjung]

It feels a Bit Like the Oakland As.
But Then again Oakland got fracked by every Team that was there.

 

[moosemeister]

This does make some sense, honestly. Either we got screwed by idiots or conmen. Either way we got screwed. And there will be no justice. So it doesn’t much matter.

He bought the team.

Got an expansion check.

Will likely get $700 mil for the sale of the team.

The complex at Mullet probably has massive tax breaks.

I think Sahara bets was the gamble. If it took off, cool. If not, no sweat. Stop advertising it and no one will use it (what we are seeing right now).

I think the only way this team survives is if Ishbia comes calling. Even then after the recent renos, I don’t think they can actually fit a sheet of ice in there.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Why would AM pay all that money for the mullet addition and then sand bag this deal on purpose?

He also spent millions on resources to find a suitable location, designing the plans for TED, convincing the Tempe council to vote yes, greasing wheels, and everything else in between. I don't smell fish, at least not yet.

For now I still think they underestimated just how bad the team's reputation throughout AZ really is and completely overestimated the East Valley's desire to have them. Took things for granted and got cheap at the last minute when it came to campaigning too.

 

[rt]

He also spent millions on resources to find a suitable location, designing the plans for TED, convincing the Tempe council to vote yes, greasing wheels, and everything else in between. I don't smell fish, at least not yet.

For now I still think they underestimated just how bad the team's reputation throughout AZ really is and completely overestimated the East Valley's desire to have them. Took things for granted and got cheap at the last minute when it came to campaigning too.

That’s not fishy?

 

[AZDesertKnight]

He also spent millions on resources to find a suitable location, designing the plans for TED, convincing the Tempe council to vote yes, greasing wheels, and everything else in between. I don't smell fish, at least not yet.

For now I still think they underestimated just how bad the team's reputation throughout AZ really is and completely overestimated the East Valley's desire to have them. Took things for granted and got cheap at the last minute when it came to campaigning too.

The East Valley didn't get a say.. The City of Tempe did.. and they clearly were not the city to choose politically. That location/site was a dream for future profits but literally the worst location ever for ease of actually getting f***ing built.

This team is run by Greedy idiots from Day 1.

Adios

 

[Coyotedroppings]

We’ll, based on AG’s final statement, I’d say it’s a safe bet that there is no plan B.

 

[RollingCoyote]

Is this referendum binding? Since the city council already approved the deal can they just go ahead regardless of the vote?

 

[knich]

While I understand folks frustration on here, it is very disappointing to see all the negativity and attacks on ownership. if the vote had turned differently, everyone would have been rejoicing and dare I say praising ownership.

So I will be that lone voice and thank AM, XG, and the rest of the ownership group for putting together the best deal Arizona has ever had. And even if AM sells the team, ASU and Tempe benefit from the arena upgrades, extra facilities, etc to the tune of approx 25M. I wouldn't call that person a shyster.

Think about it. This landfill has been there fore 70 years and will likely be there for 70 more or until the taxpayers pay to clean it. The damn thing caught on fire. How stupid do you have to be to see that any deal is better than what they have. Countless Tempe mayors and city council members voted for the deal. If you don't trust them, then the Coyotes or anyone else for that matter has no chance. And say what you want but Sky Harbor scare tactics I believe played a huge role.

So, if you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the Tempe citizens who appear to have been uninformed and are living in a fantasy. Could AM have done more that would have made a difference in the outcome? Who knows..I haven't seen enough evidence to the contrary...just conjecture. Would I have liked to have seen the focus be different, yes. But I don't really know what they told prospective voters....maybe the said exactly what I was thinking and they didn't buy it.

It is very easy today to paint any billionaire as a greedy person and that is all people hear. But if you believe Kuby, AM had no money. So how is he a greedy billionaire?

The bottom line is the voters have spoken and we have lost. I am not mad at AM. Unfortunately, people make bad decisions all the time. And if you are not sure about that just look at who we have in Congress and what is its approval rating? We the people voted for them!

Thanks Alex!

 

[Sinurgy]

He also spent millions on resources to find a suitable location, designing the plans for TED, convincing the Tempe council to vote yes, greasing wheels, and everything else in between. I don't smell fish, at least not yet.

For now I still think they underestimated just how bad the team's reputation throughout AZ really is and completely overestimated the East Valley's desire to have them. Took things for granted and got cheap at the last minute when it came to campaigning too.

Incompetence would be on brand so it's certainly plausible.

 

[Coyotes19c]

Again…WHY?!?!?

Why would he buy this team, invest into Mullett and then let his gaming license and his arena campaign both just wither on the vine?

I have zero clue. I thought this proposal was cooked months ago. They played their hand very poorly and I’m not sure why.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Is this referendum binding? Since the city council already approved the deal can they just go ahead regardless of the vote?

No, would have gone to referendum anyway. Team moved it forward due to time constraint.

 

[RABBIT]

@raising_kane_and_shea on Instagram if y’all want to stay in touch. I’ve gotta be done with this place soon before the toxicity makes me lose my shit

 

[knich]

I don't think it's fair to blame ownership on this one. Meruelo had a master plan and had negotiated a great deal for the City of Tempe. The bottom line is the voting population in Tempe is by and large a bunch of morons. I can't find a positive argument against the arena deal.

The only thing in favor of keeping the Coyotes is the Sportsbook that was issued to the Coyotes and the other major league sports teams. Meruelo is in the betting business.

The real hurdle is finding a place for the arena, to overstate the obvious. There is no place in the Phoenix area that would work. Certainly not anywhere in the City of Phoenix. Tempe is out of the question.

A lot of fans abhor the idea of the west valley. Oddly enough, Glendale might be the Yotes best chance. Glendale really needs a regular tenant and the Coyotes need an arena. Perhaps if the Hockey Gods shine down on the Coyotes, someone with some common sense in the Glendale City Council, will put bad blood behind them and reach out to the Coyotes and make a deal that works for everyone. It would be in the best interest in both parties. It's sounds absurd, but I don't see any other answer.

The only other option I can see, is Houston!

I guess there are two voices...lol.

I don't think Yotes are sustainable in Glendale. I agree with others it has to be in the Tempe/Phoenix/Scottsdale area to work.

 

[Heldig]

Well, this was not expected.

If it is a forgone conclusion, rip the bandaid off and move the team this summer. The dead duck season in Winnipeg was heart breaking.

 

[Edenjung]

Is this referendum binding? Since the city council already approved the deal can they just go ahead regardless of the vote?

Nobody in their right mind would do that. Thats political suicide.

 

[MayDayMayDay]

That’s not fishy?

Thank you!

Y'all - this stinks to high heaven.

The money, the timing and where we are now this evening. Something happened behind closed doors in the last six months to undermine this deal. And I'm willing to bet that it's a better deal than the TED.

 

[LosPollosHermanos]

My current thinking is this has been a scheme from Meruelo to get out of this mess with as much of his skin intact as possible.

The zero dollars in deadline, the ten trillion in LTIR, the rusty gaming license, the $250k campaign, the No Plan B. It’s all too fishy for me.

I 100% agree. Had a feeling they knew this was coming all along. We have been played once again. Just flatout garbage people running this team.