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Buffalo Bills Week 5: Bills v. Steelers (Sun. 10/9, 1:00PM)

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Rowley Birkin said:
I'm not sure about Pitts... But Cordarellle Patterson has been absolutely phenomenal for Atlanta since he joined them.

I admit i have a huge soft spot for that type of player - but you would be hard pressed to find any player more important to his team (that isn't a QB or Aaron Donald) than Patterson is for Atlanta right now.
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I suppose we will see just how important he is now that he's out. If they continue to run it down team's throats I suppose it's just scheme and design. If they run into a brick wall it really is all Patterson.

Rowley Birkin said:
$3m is still a lot of money to pay an elite player to not play for you. Especially when you consider the how tight the Bills' cap situation is going to be for the foreseeable future.

You need to embrace the fact that 30+ yo players can still be valuable contributors in the NFL... :laugh:
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The entire point of this discussion was me suggesting that they might want to try to find a way to keep Poyer instead of Hyde (I believe they're the same age!) IF Hyde's neck injury is lingering into next year or beyond, especially given Poyer's elite play this year, and in the event the defense looks elite with the Poyer-Hamlin pairing. I think that's pretty reasonable, but some folks seem to just want to pay and keep everyone 🤷
 
Husko said:
I suppose we will see just how important he is now that he's out. If they continue to run it down team's throats I suppose it's just scheme and design. If they run into a brick wall it really is all Patterson.


The entire point of this discussion was me suggesting that they might want to try to find a way to keep Poyer instead of Hyde (I believe they're the same age!) IF Hyde's neck injury is lingering into next year or beyond, especially given Poyer's elite play this year, and in the event the defense looks elite with the Poyer-Hamlin pairing. I think that's pretty reasonable, but some folks seem to just want to pay and keep everyone 🤷
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Obviously paying everyone is not possible - but it's feasible to keep both Hyde/Poyer if the cloth is cut accordingly elsewhere.

As i suggested in the offseason - that could even be a guy like Tre White further down the road.

The Knox extension is still a head scratcher for me. Fine player & he's obviously close to Allen. But I'm not sure he is worth that type of outlay considering the cap crunch vs what he brings to the team. Think of it as Siran Neal but on a bigger scale.

At least they haven't extended Singletary yet...!
 
Rowley Birkin said:
Obviously paying everyone is not possible - but it's feasible to keep both Hyde/Poyer if the cloth is cut accordingly elsewhere.

As i suggested in the offseason - that could even be a guy like Tre White further down the road.

The Knox extension is still a head scratcher for me. Fine player & he's obviously close to Allen. But I'm not sure he is worth that type of outlay considering the cap crunch vs what he brings to the team. Think of it as Siran Neal but on a bigger scale.

At least they haven't extended Singletary yet...!
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From the people that brought you Husko when they give real money to special teams specialists, we present the sequel: paying RBs.

I mentioned it above, but if Poyer keeps this up I almost feel like they have to FT him, right? He probably throws a fit and refuses to sign and forces either an extension or a trade and sign, but you can't just let someone playing at a genuine all pro level walk for nothing, right?
 
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Husko said:
From the people that brought you Husko when they give real money to special teams specialists, we present the sequel: paying RBs.

I mentioned it above, but if Poyer keeps this up I almost feel like they have to FT him, right? He probably throws a fit and refuses to sign and forces either an extension or a trade and sign, but you can't just let someone playing at a genuine all pro level walk for nothing, right?
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The franchise tag number for a safety is going to be in the $13-14M range for 2023. It was $12.911M for 2022.
 
Husko said:
I mentioned it above, but if Poyer keeps this up I almost feel like they have to FT him, right? He probably throws a fit and refuses to sign and forces either an extension or a trade and sign, but you can't just let someone playing at a genuine all pro level walk for nothing, right?
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Yeah.....if he keeps playing like this, I think it's going to force Beane to slap a FT on Poyer unless he's willing to accept a more team friendly deal.
 
thoughts on OBJ?

Husko said:
From the people that brought you Husko when they give real money to special teams specialists, we present the sequel: paying RBs.

I mentioned it above, but if Poyer keeps this up I almost feel like they have to FT him, right? He probably throws a fit and refuses to sign and forces either an extension or a trade and sign, but you can't just let someone playing at a genuine all pro level walk for nothing, right?
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i don’t think there will be any dramatics with Po. if he has to go he will be a class act about it.

i’m honestly thinking that hyde will retire and that’s where the po/mane money will come from. Josh can be restructured as well
 
valet said:
thoughts on OBJ?


i don’t think there will be any dramatics with Po. if he has to go he will be a class act about it.

i’m honestly thinking that hyde will retire and that’s where the po/mane money will come from. Josh can be restructured as well
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If he does I think they may need to do some sort of a restructure before he retires. IIRC, retirements have the same implications as cuts in terms of cap penalties. Remember we got burned when Wood had to unexpectedly retire early?

As for OBJ, I'm totally in favor. With Gabe hobbled we've seen how much our down the field threat suffers when either of our boundary receivers are hurt and the domino affect of teams moving their safeties up to cramp the offense big time. I see OBJ as a sort of deadline acquisition that can help bolster the team without giving up any assets. Obviously there's still time to see if his health checks out, etc. but I'm definitely interested.
 
If we are making a big splash at the deadline....it should probably be for an actual need.

A healthy Gabe + healthy Diggs means we probably don't need OBJ. It'd be nice to have...but Josh doesn't have time to throw it doesn't matter. And if we can't run the ball on a regular basis it doesn't matter. Or if we have injuries elsewhere....we need to address those as well.
 
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TehDoak said:
If we are making a big splash at the deadline....it should probably be for an actual need.

A healthy Gabe + healthy Diggs means we probably don't need OBJ. It'd be nice to have...but Josh doesn't have time to throw it doesn't matter. And if we can't run the ball on a regular basis it doesn't matter. Or if we have injuries elsewhere....we need to address those as well.
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I don't see why we can't add a WR and OL help. Both are needs.
 
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Husko said:
I don't see why we can't add a WR and OL help. Both are needs.
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When fully healthy, OL is certainly the bigger need over WR.

However, Crowder is out long-term. Shakir can likely fill his spot adequately and maybe ACTUALLY CATCH THE DAMN BALL. One more injury though, and all of a sudden I don't like our WRs nearly as much (IE, McKenzie misses a bunch of time with a concussion and/or re-concusses himself).
 
Zman5778 said:
When fully healthy, OL is certainly the bigger need over WR.

However, Crowder is out long-term. Shakir can likely fill his spot adequately and maybe ACTUALLY CATCH THE DAMN BALL. One more injury though, and all of a sudden I don't like our WRs nearly as much (IE, McKenzie misses a bunch of time with a concussion and/or re-concusses himself).
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You can make the same arguement for any other position on the roster. IF this guy gets injured, then IF that guy gets injured, so on.

WR is one of the deeper position groups on the roster. They will continue to be fine unless Diggs goes down for any length of time - but he isn't exactly replaceable.

I'm actually longing for the day OBJ signs for some other team to be honest.
 
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I guess I just don't understand the renitence some of you have to adding a vet WR. The team will win and die by the offense come playoff time and we've already seen early the way the offense struggles to push the ball down the field once the receivers are banged up. Are you really comfortable being in a playoff shootout against Mahomes and needing to rely on Jake Kumerow as a starting boundary receiver if Gabe or Diggs goes down? Even if the player's only role is to let Diggs and Davis take 10 snaps off a game to stay fresh, that's a huge win in my book.

Would I love to bring in an upgrade for Saffold or Brown or otherwise add some nice interior oline depth? Absolutely. Tell me the available FA or trade target and sign me up. But as long as the likes of OBJ, Will Fuller, and TY Hilton are available and Jake Kumerow is our primary backup boundary wide out, I'm going to keep clamoring to add one of these guys. Heck, I'd even be happy with a John Ross type player that is proven at running a winning fly route if nothing else.
 
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Rowley Birkin said:
You can make the same arguement for any other position on the roster. IF this guy gets injured, then IF that guy gets injured, so on.

WR is one of the deeper position groups on the roster. They will continue to be fine unless Diggs goes down for any length of time - but he isn't exactly replaceable.

I'm actually longing for the day OBJ signs for some other team to be honest.
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-We're already seeing the secondary be fine despite everyone being hurt.
-LB is a big question mark with depth, I'll give you that. A lot would ride on Bernard
-DLine has the best depth on the team, I don't think anyone would disagree
-Oline we agree could use bolstering
-RB room is what it is, I suppose you could want Moss upgraded, but I don't think anyone considers that a priority

Whereas boundary WR the backup seems to be Kumerow. Maybe Shakir can play outside and do well, but that's putting a lot of eggs in the basket of a day 3 rookie.
 
Husko said:
-We're already seeing the secondary be fine despite everyone being hurt.
-LB is a big question mark with depth, I'll give you that. A lot would ride on Bernard
-DLine has the best depth on the team, I don't think anyone would disagree
-Oline we agree could use bolstering
-RB room is what it is, I suppose you could want Moss upgraded, but I don't think anyone considers that a priority

Whereas boundary WR the backup seems to be Kumerow. Maybe Shakir can play outside and do well, but that's putting a lot of eggs in the basket of a day 3 rookie.
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If Crowder goes on IR for the season it opens up another roster spot. If there is someone who helps at WR, go fill it.

Don't know why we're sleeping on Hodgins. He's not hurt again, is he?
 
Zman5778 said:
If Hodgins was an every-game NFLer, he wouldn't be languishing on the practice squad. Hell, the Giants are hard up for WR help and they're not coming to call.
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Speaking of these kind of guys, what about Marquez Steveson? He was billed coming out as a deep threat and return guy but I feel like he's hardly played a snap since we drafted him
 
Husko said:
Speaking of these kind of guys, what about Marquez Steveson? He was billed coming out as a deep threat and return guy but I feel like he's hardly played a snap since we drafted him
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Between his poor ball security and his being hurt a lot (though you could say that about Hodgins) I'm not sure why we keep him.
 
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