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NFL GDT: Week 17

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Today's NFL - where the game is now overshadowed by penalties/non-calls....endless video reviews and now debates about who reported to who - all in a league where 80% of the games are boring, mindless contests that only exist for betting or fantasy points.
 
bustamente said:
I don't know how many linemen can report as eligible, but anytime I've seen one report they don't need an escort.

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I think he just forgot that quickly that it was 68 and not 70, and it was just muscle memory if he had reported multiple times that game. He seems to think that Decker is 70.
 
GKJ said:
I think he just forgot that quickly that it was 68 and not 70, and it was just muscle memory if he had reported multiple times that game. He seems to think that Decker is 70.
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I think that's a stretch (to be clear: that it's a stretch that Allen thinks Decker is 70). All three players were close enough to be a part of that conversation - and the question even references the other player that was there.

I think it's as simple as being in a loud stadium where it's difficult to pinpoint exactly where a voice is coming from. Maybe he was biased to assume it was #70 based on the earlier check ins, but I don't think he thought Decker was #70.
 
misterchainsaw said:
I think that's a stretch (to be clear: that it's a stretch that Allen thinks Decker is 70). All three players were close enough to be a part of that conversation - and the question even references the other player that was there.

I think it's as simple as being in a loud stadium where it's difficult to pinpoint exactly where a voice is coming from. Maybe he was biased to assume it was #70 based on the earlier check ins, but I don't think he thought Decker was #70.
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Stadium ain't so loud that you can't hear someone directly in front of you.
 
GKJ said:
Stadium ain't so loud that you can't hear someone directly in front of you.
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But again, there's 3 players basically side by side "right next to you"

I wonder if we'll get a rule in the offseason against this sort of attempted distraction/disguise. It's clearly against the spirit of the rules.
 
misterchainsaw said:
But again, there's 3 players basically side by side "right next to you"

I wonder if we'll get a rule in the offseason against this sort of attempted distraction/disguise. It's clearly against the spirit of the rules.
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Only one of them is facing you though. One is running and the other has his back to you. There's a lot of communication that goes on during the game, if you can't figure that one out, you got more problems than you know. Why are you looking away at someone who is not near you and then run away from the guy who is?

And also did the ref acknowledge what he heard?

They changed it once when the Patriots were screwing around with it in the playoffs.
 
Ace said:
Or…a ref could do their job correctly and not cost teams perfectly executed and legal plays.
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This is one of the biggest referee screw ups of all time. It’s not a judgement call, like many are; it’s just an objectively false call on a completely legal play.
 
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GKJ said:
Only one of them is facing you though. One is running and the other has his back to you. There's a lot of communication that goes on during the game, if you can't figure that one out, you got more problems than you know. Why are you looking away at someone who is not near you and then run away from the guy who is?

And also did the ref acknowledge what he heard?

They changed it once when the Patriots were screwing around with it in the playoffs.
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Uh, all three of them were facing him - #70 was literally jogging up to him as he turns away and goes to tell the d-line that #70 is eligible.
 
Two guys are standing in front of the ref and a third is running towards him from the sideline. Whether it’s because he misheard, saw the guy running and assumed he was the one supposed to be reporting, or just had a brain fart because 70 had reported earlier in the game, he ended up screwing up and telling both the defense and the stadium that 70 was reporting eligible.

Obviously that’s a bad screwup and he’ll likely lose playoff game time (or playoffs entirely) due to it, but for the Lions they tried to create confusion over who was reporting eligible and managed to successfully create confusion. They were counting on the defense looking at the formation and ignoring the verbal announcement of the ref and then, ironically, didn’t listen to the verbal announcement of the ref to ensure the play was legal.

Again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
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hatterson said:
Two guys are standing in front of the ref and a third is running towards him from the sideline. Whether it’s because he misheard, saw the guy running and assumed he was the one supposed to be reporting, or just had a brain fart because 70 had reported earlier in the game, he ended up screwing up and telling both the defense and the stadium that 70 was reporting eligible.

Obviously that’s a bad screwup and he’ll likely lose playoff game time (or playoffs entirely) due to it, but for the Lions they tried to create confusion over who was reporting eligible and managed to successfully create confusion. They were counting on the defense looking at the formation and ignoring the verbal announcement of the ref and then, ironically, didn’t listen to the verbal announcement of the ref to ensure the play was legal.

Again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Evidently it doesn’t seem like there was verbal announcement in the building (since no one is talking about it and I can’t find one), the ref was opting to tell the defense off the mic. They changed the rule specifically to make it something that regularly happens not confusing for the refs. This is not playing stupid games, it’s not the players’ job to make sure the ref does his.
 
misterchainsaw said:
But again, there's 3 players basically side by side "right next to you"

I wonder if we'll get a rule in the offseason against this sort of attempted distraction/disguise. It's clearly against the spirit of the rules.
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What even is the spirit of a "reporting" rule? What advantage is it trying to prevent?
 
LT said:
What even is the spirit of a "reporting" rule? What advantage is it trying to prevent?
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The idea of the eligible formation rule is so that the defense knows who is a potential receiver and who they might have to cover.

The reporting rule allows you to have a player with an ineligible number report as eligible so that you can bring in a 6th offensive lineman instead of having a receiver or a tight end have that role.
 
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Brad Allen stinks. Hosed Detroit. Even the tripping call on Dallas f***ing sucked. The NFL refs stink
 
Mike is so fortunate Cowboys won. All we would be hearing all week is how awful his clock management was. At least I won’t have to listen to that carnival barker SAS gloat this week.
 
hatterson said:
The idea of the eligible formation rule is so that the defense knows who is a potential receiver and who they might have to cover.

The reporting rule allows you to have a player with an ineligible number report as eligible so that you can bring in a 6th offensive lineman instead of having a receiver or a tight end have that role.
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Kind of why they have a numbering system. OL wears any number from 50-79. Those guys are not eligible to "catch" the ball (unless it is tipped). But, if you wish to allow one of them to catch the ball, they need to report to the Ref that they are eligible so that the Defence is alerted.

They returned to the field following the Dallas TO. So, they know the play call if the OL has to report. But, no one on Detroit seems to have caught the mistake by the Ref in announcing the incorrect number.

Is there an angle from the opposite side because we only see the replay with the back of the OL coming onto the field. Is there an angle from the front. Because, like I wrote earlier, typically when OL come in and want to declare eligibility, they raise one hand up and make a circle on their stomach with the other hand. That's the standard signal to report eligible, like tapping a Blackjack table to take another card. This way, you are not risking any miscommunication.
 
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