NFL GDT: Week 17

[fin8]

This game shows Dallas needs to move away from McCarthy and Dak. Both are braindead in pivotal moments.

Dak? He’s one of the best. Why would they do that?

 

[EpochLink]

As a Lions fan, this game burns me up. They had the 3 seed in the back pocket but they made so many errors and still should have won this game. Really frustrating

Games like these really make me think, what the f*** Detroit. There was no f***ing reason to go for 2, just take the points.

 

[GKJ]

That's the only reasonable explanation as OT would just be more time wasted to get ready and stay healthy.

It's not, that's just how they do. Campbell as a coach is just a gunslinger.

 

[CupofOil]

Games like these really make me think, what the f*** Detroit. There was no f***ing reason to go for 2, just take the points.

Was fine with the call to go for 2, was NOT fine with them going for 4th and 5 earlier in the game instead of kicking the FG. Campbell's aggressiveness can be a gift and a curse.

 

[Troy McClure]

It's not, that's just how they do. Campbell as a coach is just a gunslinger.

Campbell is also a hot head. My guess is he was going for it because he was pissed at the refs and wanted to prove it to them as well they could convert.

 

[bustamente]

Analytics makes coaches do goofy things, sometimes they work sometimes they don't

 

[GKJ]

By the way, when you report as eligible, the ref announces it. So, you should know if the official knows.

 

[hatterson]

So I think on the 2 point attempt the idea is to try to trick the opposition with who reports eligible and who lines up where.

By rule you need 7 guys on the line. The outside two must be eligible receivers and everyone on the line between them must be ineligible.

So they go out and have the guy who would normally be in the LT spot report eligible. They also bring in an extra lineman on the right side so the defense assumes that he’s the guy who reported. The WR on the right side gets just close enough to the line to cover up the ineligible lineman but far enough back the defense doesn’t notice anything wrong.

Effectively, the play ends up being the QB taking the snap from the Left Guard and a TE on the left leaking out. However they’re trying to misdirect so that the defense doesn’t realize that’s what’s happening.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

He wasn't covered up on the line

No, if he was reported/deemed eligible, he wouldn't need to be covered. In fact, if he was covered (after reporting), that actually makes it an illegal formation.

Leagues gonna need to clarify exactly what happened there.

 

[EpochLink]

Was fine with the call to go for 2, was NOT fine with them going for 4th and 5 earlier in the game instead of kicking the FG. Campbell's aggressiveness can be a gift and a curse.

I remember that yeah, I can appreciate his aggressiveness but that time in the game was not needed. Take the points.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Referees screwing the Lions out of a win, when the tape clearly shows the player reported and the play was legal. Crazy!

 

[Troy McClure]

Analytics makes coaches do goofy things, sometimes they work sometimes they don't

But I don’t think any analytics would say to keep going for it the second and third time.

 

[bustamente]

But I don’t think any analytics would say to keep going for it the second and third time.

I'm not really talking about that play specifically but rather other plays during the game,

 

[GKJ]

No, if he was reported/deemed eligible, he wouldn't need to be covered.

Leagues gonna need to clarify exactly what happened there.

I don't know, that's what they said on the broadcast. As I always say, death to illegal formation. Another stupid rule that means nothing.

Looks like Reynolds is on the line, so I think he then needs to be off of it.

 

[Troy McClure]

Referees screwing the Lions out of a win, when the tape clearly shows the player reported and the play was legal. Crazy!

yeah, this looks bad for the NFL

 

[GKJ]

So Campbell just said he was told 2 people can't report (which isn't the rule), then said 70 reported and 68 did not.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I don't know, that's what they said on the broadcast. As I always say, death to illegal formation. Another stupid rule that means nothing.

Looks like Reynolds is on the line, so I think he then needs to be off of it.

He looks off the line to me. Illegal formation wasn’t the call

 

[Bounces R Way]

I can't believe betting on the bent ass crooked NFL is so massive. They barely even try to hide it.

 

[MikeyMike01]

So Campbell just said he was told 2 people can't report (which isn't the rule), then said 70 reported and 68 did not.

The Lions did everything correct, only the referee didn’t hear 68 report as eligible (apparently).

There needs to be a better way to report, besides praying some incompetent referee heard you.

 

[Ace]

The Lions did everything correct, only the referee didn’t hear him (apparently).

There needs to be a better way to report, besides praying some incompetent referee heard you.

Yeah…didn’t hear him. Sure. Sure. Definitely.

Ref probably thought he walked all the way over to him for something completely different and unrelated.

 

[misterchainsaw]

But I don’t think any analytics would say to keep going for it the second and third time.

Analytics DEFINITELY does not say to go for it from the 7. It's basically "coaches choice" from the 2 in a 1 point game as it is.

I heard on the radio a different player reported as eligible, not the one that caught the TD. Take it for what you will

 

[hatterson]

So the Lions built the play on having multiple linemen run to the ref in a way meant to confuse the defense about who is actually reporting eligible and they ended up confusing the officials.

The officials announced 70 as eligible even though he wasn’t meant to be, hence the flag.

So the issue appears to actually be the officials confused at who is eligible.

I dunno, if the entire goal of the play is to create confusion about who is eligible based on having multiple linemen go to the official and one intentionally running in late, maybe don’t be shocked when it actually causes confusion.

 

[Ace]

So the Lions built the play on having multiple linemen run to the ref in a way meant to confuse the defense about who is actually reporting eligible and they ended up confusing the officials.

The officials announced 70 as eligible even though he wasn’t meant to be, hence the flag.

So the issue appears to actually be the officials confused at who is eligible.

I dunno, if the entire goal of the play is to create confusion about who is eligible based on having multiple linemen go to the official and one intentionally running in late, maybe don’t be shocked when it actually causes confusion.

Or…a ref could do their job correctly and not cost teams perfectly executed and legal plays.

 

[GKJ]

He looks off the line to me. Illegal formation wasn’t the call

I get what they were saying now, since he's inelgible, it's illegal formation because not only is he not covered up, but that would make it not enough guys on that side of the field, to say nothing of illegal man downfield.

This is something that fell through the cracks. The ref makes it known who is reporting, I don't know if it's consistent that it's announced in the building, but I'd imagine that the referee acknowledges you when you tell him. They announce it when you're eligible, so there's not as much of a reason to attempt to be so discreet about it. That said, it also shouldn't be the hard part.

 

[hatterson]

Or…a ref could do their job correctly and not cost teams perfectly executed and legal plays.

The entire point of the setup is to create confusion around the ref. Doing it in a low time situation, in a loud stadium, and then not listening to the refs public announcement of what he believes you told him (announcing 70 as eligible instead of 68), and then blaming the ref is stupid.