Post-Game Talk: We suck - Leafs lose 4-1

[Racer88]

Keefe has no answers and they've probably tuned him out anyway

You are correct. The sad part is they tuned out the tough coach and now they have tuned out the soft coach……..that’s a major statement about the mentality of the room .

 

[Gary Nylund]

Remember a few weeks ago when some posters told us that the Panthers were crap and not even close to the Leafs……..they lead the division and are undefeated

Now that you mention it, I do remember that. I also remember how some posters told us that we would never miss Hyman because you could plug anyone in next to M&M, they will produce no matter what. LMAO at how that's going so far. And Ritchie was going to be so motivated and happy to be playing where he always wanted to play (like Marner ) and he would have a career year.

Leafs are tied with TB

Not by PTS% which is the most accurate way to look at the standings which is why I said they're neck and neck. But whatever.

Ah yes, classic blame the fans post.

Everyone is a lunatic and the poor players can't perform because of the fans.

Oh for sure. If only we didn't have the most knowledgeable, most passionate and most patient fanbase in the entire sports world, this team would be kicking ass. Anyone can see that.

 

[SniperOnTheWing]

Ah yes, classic blame the fans post.

Everyone is a lunatic and the poor players can't perform because of the fans.

Fans can’t or won’t admit they’re part of the problem too. And unlike the players or management they get to say whatever they want or threaten whoever they want without having to be held accountable for any of it. Ah, how convenient the life of a fan.

 

[Kurtz]

I've said it many times- Tavares signing with the Leafs hurt everyone involved. It was just totally not needed. The Leafs had a solid young offensive core. What they needed was toughness, defense and perhaps some veteran playoffs experience. But Dubas had to go and play fantasy hockey! No way would JT have signed with any of the other teams. JT killed his legacy with the Isles and both the team he left and the one he went to ended up worse off. Maybe you can say the Isles have been successful but we've been one step behind Tampa two years in a row and it's not a huge leap to think we would've beaten Tampa one of those years if he was on the team.

So you're saying that JT signing with the Leafs quite possibly cost the Islanders a cup?

Thanks for cheering us up!

 

[Racer88]

Our 105 point team that was so close to breaking thru the first round is now a shadow of it former self. 4 players who are giving zero return to the team and a bunch of cast offs and league minimum players who are actually earning their pay cheques. Another coach that has lost the team, a GM that is totally lost and a president that is MIA

 

[hockeyes]

Fans can’t or won’t admit they’re part of the problem too. And unlike the players or management they get to say whatever they want or threaten whoever they want without having to be held accountable for any of it. Ah, how convenient the life of a fan.

The only problem fans are responsible for is supporting a bunch of losers. If anyone in management makes any decisions based on what fans say or want, they are incompetent and should never have been given the job.

 

[BigGulpsEh]

Fans can’t or won’t admit they’re part of the problem too. And unlike the players or management they get to say whatever they want or threaten whoever they want without having to be held accountable for any of it. Ah, how convenient the life of a fan.

Thats the most extreme cases though. Anybody who sends death threats is clearly disturbed and not a fan IMO.

Vast majority of fans are normal. You act like everyone is plotting murders against the team and their families

You're a fan, by your logic that must mean you are trying to run over marner's dog

 

[Kurtz]

What a bad take.

Lou came to the Leafs when we had made the playoffs once in ~12 years.

Lou was here for just 3 years.

Year 1: finish last and draft auston matthews. I'd say that is a good start.

Year 2: make playoffs after finishing dead last the year before. How many times has this happened? We even took the leagues best team to game 6 and many went to OT.

Year 3: we set a franchise record in points with 105. We almost beat the bruins but lost in game 7.

We hadn't made the playoffs twice in a row since around 04. The guy completely changed the culture of the team.

Lou then went to a crappy islanders team and has made the semi finals twice. Won gm of the year twice which is voted by other gms. Fairly sure their opinion is worth quite a bit more than yours.

What do you mean Lou wasted our rfa elcs? What more did you expect for years 1 and 2 after finishing dead last? The only person who has wasted anything is dubas.

Letting Lou go in favour of dubas set this franchise back a decade.

Lol, a decade. What an awful take.

Do I really have to explain what wasting ELC years on 3 young stars means?

GM of the year? Good for him - I'm sure Isles fans have those trophies on their wall. Go do a little research - how many decades has it been since Lou won a cup?

The rose-coloured glasses on Lou's mediocre management here are too much.

 

[Mess]

When you're playing against the Carolina Hurricanes, I think they set the standard in the league," Keefe said. "Despite the fact that we competed at a higher level today that was required in the game, it's still not to the level necessary to be able to compete with a team like that.

"That's the hardest game we've played this season by a wide margin."

Sheldon Keefe is not wrong ... Over the past 3 seasons combined the Canes are running at a .640 winning % which places them top 5 in the NHL along with TB, Boston, Pittsburgh and Washington as most consistent among the Cup competitors.

Leafs likely did play one of their better games overall this year in this one, but I still counted at least 7 odd man rushes and at least 1/2 a dozen giveaways that either lead to goals or high quality scoring chances against. You could count on 1 hand of the 25 shots the Leafs mustered on Freddy Andersen which really tested him, as most were routine saves on the night because Canes play such a solid team game and are well coached behind 2021 Jack Adams winning Rod Brind'Amour.

Freddy Andersen who was deemed washed up and expendable in Toronto has now run his record to 5-0-0 (best start in Canes history) with a 1.60 GAA and .946 sv%. Andersen never posted #'s like that in TO because he never had the team nor the structured system in front of him to, and he often masked the Leafs weaknesses with some of his saves. Now gone we are starting to see that he wasn't the #1 problem and Leafs competitive issues lies internally elsewhere. IMO

 

[hotpaws]

Lol, a decade. What an awful take.

Do I really have to explain what wasting ELC years on 3 young stars means?

GM of the year? Good for him - I'm sure Isles fans have those trophies on their wall. Go do a little research - how many decades has it been since Lou won a cup?

The rose-coloured glasses on Lou's mediocre management here are too much.

did i really need to explain that Dubas was GM while M and M were on the last year of their elc's ? so i'm now guessing Dubie also wasted there elc years

and since your talking about the kids being on there elc's , did you expect us to win the cup in the following 2 yrs after finishing 31st ?

 

[RavenGuard]

Except 4 years is what actually takes him straight to fa, not 5. But nice try, maybe understand the rules of the NHL before trying to talk.

Oh no!!! I was off by 1 entire year!!! Grab the pitchforks!!!

Either way at the end of the deal he's gone to the USA. And then rebuild 2.0 can begin

 

[Nineteen67]

Now that you mention it, I do remember that. I also remember how some posters told us that we would never miss Hyman because you could plug anyone in next to M&M, they will produce no matter what. LMAO at how that's going so far. And Ritchie was going to be so motivated and happy to be playing where he always wanted to play (like Marner ) and he would have a career year.



Not by PTS% which is the most accurate way to look at the standings which is why I said they're neck and neck. But whatever.



Oh for sure. If only we didn't have the most knowledgeable, most passionate and most patient fanbase in the entire sports world, this team would be kicking ass. Anyone can see that.

Thankfully Buffalo and Detroit are off to the hot start and not Tampa and Boston

 

[Brown Dog]

That was the most delusional presser of all time. Not to mention that he had to admit that the canes set the bar for hard work……last I checked they don’t have any players making 11 million dollars…….I wonder who built their team the correct way?
Can someone please explain why we are paying 3 guys 11 million and they are not among the hardest working players in the league

Yeah, it's downright embarrassing that Keefe is talking about Carolina as the gold standard of the league that we are striving to be like. Shouldn't it be the other way around??

 

[Nineteen67]

The Leafs have three of the easier games they’ll play coming up and have to win all three and then get at least point between TB and Boston.
Minimum of 3-1-1 (7 points) and they’d be back on track.

 

[Kurtz]

did i really need to explain that Dubas was GM while M and M were on the last year of their elc's ? so i'm now guessing Dubie also wasted there elc years

and since your talking about the kids being on there elc's , did you expect us to win the cup in the following 2 yrs after finishing 31st ?

Why is the Lou fan's response when I point out Lou's failures here always "But Dubas is worse!". Yeah, Lou's protege might be worse than Lou himself, but that's hardly an argument for Lou being a great GM here, right?

And yeah, when you get a generational talent like Matthews, not to mention Marner and Nylander, all on their ELCs, you should be able to take advantage of it. Pitt had a record of 22-46 the year before they got Sid+Malkin. Next 3 years they got to conference semis, Stanley cup finals, and then had a cup.

Blackhawks were also terrible, then drafted Kane and Toews and won the cup on their ELCs.

In a cap world, having multiple stars on ELC is the biggest edge you can have, and Lou blew it. Yes, Dubas blew it too, but once more, that doesn't make Lou look any better.

 

[Brown Dog]

Lol, a decade. What an awful take.

Do I really have to explain what wasting ELC years on 3 young stars means?

GM of the year? Good for him - I'm sure Isles fans have those trophies on their wall. Go do a little research - how many decades has it been since Lou won a cup?

The rose-coloured glasses on Lou's mediocre management here are too much.

Lou was mediocre here, I agree.

Everyone who comes here--no matter how successful before or after--seems to become infected with mediocrity. Burke, Babcock, Lou....

Does anyone doubt that Marner, once dealt from here (probably for 50 cents in the dollar) will light it up in his next stop? Or that Kyle Dubas will win a championship as GM of some other franchise 5 or 10 years from now?

Is it that the hockey gods just love to f*#k with us? Or is it something more real? That winning in this market is just that much harder?

 

[ACC1224]

Lou was mediocre here, I agree.

Everyone who comes here--no matter how successful before or after--seems to become infected with mediocrity. Burke, Babcock, Lou....

Does anyone doubt that Marner, once dealt from here (probably for 50 cents in the dollar) will light it up in his next stop? Or that Kyle Dubas will win a championship as GM of some other franchise 5 or 10 years from now?

Is it that the hockey gods just love to f*#k with us? Or is it something more real? That winning in this market is just that much harder?

In what league? After the mess he's made he may never get another kick at it in the NHL, he wouldn't be the first.

 

[hotpaws]

Why is the Lou fan's response when I point out Lou's failures here always "But Dubas is worse!". Yeah, Lou's protege might be worse than Lou himself, but that's hardly an argument for Lou being a great GM, right?

And yeah, when you get a generational talent like Matthews, not to mention Marner and Nylander, all on their ELCs, you should be able to take advantage of it. Pitt had a record of 22-46 the year before they got Sid+Malkin. Next 3 years they got to conference semis, Stanley cup finals, and then had a cup.

Blackhawks were also terrible, then drafted Kane and Toews and won the cup on their ELCs.

In a cap world, having multiple stars on ELC is the biggest edge you can have, and Lou blew it. Yes, Dubas blew it too, but once more, that doesn't make Lou look any better.

why do you keep ignoring that Dubas was the GM when Mathews and Marner were still on their elc's ?

Dubas and his Soo crew are done , all anyone has to do is look at this roster objectively to realize how poor it is so you can run around and spew all the fairy tales you like but it won't save his job .

Muzzin and Tavares have regressed . the bargain bin group are playing to there salaries so anyone who believes the 3 kids can elevate this team to long playoff run and save Dubies job are delusional .

 

[Racer88]

Yeah, it's downright embarrassing that Keefe is talking about Carolina as the gold standard of the league that we are striving to be like. Shouldn't it be the other way around??

That’s what Dubas and Shanny would have us believe

 

[Peiskos]

Stopped watching this team after the 2nd playoff collapse vs Bruins, didn’t even watch the Montreal series. It’s really a comedy at this point.

The fact is you can’t have 3 players making 10+ million…that’s just absurd and is a fireable offence in and of itself. I mean unless you’re Crosby, Ovechkin caliber players then sure maybe you can justify it…but how can Marner, Matthews, Tavares be paid that much when they’ve literally never won a thing.

Yet Dubas continues to sit as GM. Says it all about this clown show franchise.

 

[yubbers]

Fans can’t or won’t admit they’re part of the problem too. And unlike the players or management they get to say whatever they want or threaten whoever they want without having to be held accountable for any of it. Ah, how convenient the life of a fan.

Threatening ppl is actually a crime. Man....uni did a number on you.

 

[sparxx87]

Why is the Lou fan's response when I point out Lou's failures here always "But Dubas is worse!". Yeah, Lou's protege might be worse than Lou himself, but that's hardly an argument for Lou being a great GM here, right?

And yeah, when you get a generational talent like Matthews, not to mention Marner and Nylander, all on their ELCs, you should be able to take advantage of it. Pitt had a record of 22-46 the year before they got Sid+Malkin. Next 3 years they got to conference semis, Stanley cup finals, and then had a cup.

Blackhawks were also terrible, then drafted Kane and Toews and won the cup on their ELCs.

In a cap world, having multiple stars on ELC is the biggest edge you can have, and Lou blew it. Yes, Dubas blew it too, but once more, that doesn't make Lou look any better.

We don’t know what changes would have been made after the first Boston series so it’s not a fair comparison. Toews was in his 3rd year ELC, Lamoriello was never given a chance.

Lamoriello’s team may not have experienced the success many had wanted, but the team and organization was on the right trajectory.

Since Dubas came on it’s been wrong turns and dead ends.

 

[yubbers]

The only problem fans are responsible for is supporting a bunch of losers. If anyone in management makes any decisions based on what fans say or want, they are incompetent and should never have been given the job.

Businesses respond to their customers wants all the time. At least good one do.

 

[yubbers]

We don’t know what changes would have been made after the first Boston series so it’s not a fair comparison. Toews was in his 3rd year ELC, Lamoriello was never given a chance.

Lamoriello’s team may not have experienced the success many had wanted, but the team and organization was on the right trajectory.

Since Dubas came on it’s been wrong turns and dead ends.

It's amazing pp still defend Dubas. Let it burn. We need the front office gone or we're stuck in purgatory.

 

[Kurtz]

Lou was mediocre here, I agree.

Everyone who comes here--no matter how successful before or after--seems to become infected with mediocrity. Burke, Babcock, Lou....

Does anyone doubt that Marner, once dealt from here (probably for 50 cents in the dollar) will light it up in his next stop? Or that Kyle Dubas will win a championship as GM of some other franchise 5 or 10 years from now?

Is it that the hockey gods just love to f*#k with us? Or is it something more real? That winning in this market is just that much harder?

It's definitely a tough market, you have the most passionate and frustrated fanbase in the league. You would think that would at least translate to a great home crowd, but nope...it's a library in there when the team plays.

For years this pressure has lead to us throwing away picks to prop up failing teams leading to cycles of mediocrity. Finally we did a proper rebuild - but are blowing it having taken a chance on a kid learning on the job. Shanny thought he can hire Lou to teach Dubas the tricks of the trade, but miscalculated here too - Lou did not see Dubas as a successor, but rather as a competitor coming for his job.

If there's a ray a hope, I'd look to the Raptors - another franchise that seemed utterly hopeless until they found a brilliant GM in Masai Ujiri. We gotta find hockey Masai, because I don't think Shanny's it.