Post-Game Talk: We suck - Leafs lose 4-1

[Ziggdiezan]

For the first time in years I didn't even bother watching any of this game. I knew they were going to get beaten in a bad way especially with a ex leaf player returning.

Unfortunately judging from the comments the team had another flat performance with no heart, pride, etc. Looking like a major shakeup is going to be needed if this continues.

I agree with others, there is something wrong with the team culture, team dynamics in room etc. Oh Keefe is also worse than useless.

There is no accountability on this team. Full stop

 

[yubbers]

Who would have thunk it?? A 32 year old rookie GM who had precisely zero experience in the NHL upon hiring is running a franchise into the ground? You don’t say? Lmao

Huh? A rookie head coach with precisely zero experience in the NHL upon hiring has lost his team? You don’t say!

Clown show franchise.

It was SOOOO obvious too. They had it right then decided to torch their 6 year plan to roll the dice. There's no logic to it at all. Sakic is laughing.

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

The Raptors have already drafted their own Kawhi in Scottie Barnes,

An unrealistic comparison in order to defend your unrealistic take. OK.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Kurtz]

Took us to the playoffs for the 1st time in over a decade and set a franchise point record. If that's mediocre.....do you need a cp in order to be 'good'?

First of all...no he didn't. We were out of the playoffs for 3 years before Lou put us there - not a decade.

Secondly, a franchise points record is meaningless due to the OT point rule change.

Lastly, yes, playoff appearances but zero playoff series wins in 3 years is the definition of mediocre results. Not bad...not good. Mediocre.

 

[Peiskos]

An unrealistic comparison in order to defend your unrealistic take. OK.

Agree to disagree.

It’s obvious you don’t watch much NBA. Scottie himself says his game is comparable to Magic Johnson which it is, and his style is somewhat of a hybrid between Giannis-Kawhi-Magic.

He went 4th overall in possibly the most stacked draft in decades, not unrealistic at all to say that Scottie is our new Kawhi of the future. He’s already better than Kawhi was at the same age.

Don’t try to bring your miserable Leafs outlook and mix it in with the Raptors, the Raptors are everything the Leafs should aspire to be.

 

[yubbers]

First of all...no he didn't. We were out of the playoffs for 3 years before Lou put us there - not a decade.

Secondly, a franchise points record is meaningless due to the OT point rule change.

Lastly, yes, playoff appearances but zero playoff series wins in 3 years is the definition of mediocre results. Not bad...not good. Mediocre.

LOL. Gotcha. So franchise point record is mediocre and getting a basement squad into the playoffs is nothing.

How can one argue that? LOL.

 

[yubbers]

First of all...no he didn't. We were out of the playoffs for 3 years before Lou put us there - not a decade.

Secondly, a franchise points record is meaningless due to the OT point rule change.

Lastly, yes, playoff appearances but zero playoff series wins in 3 years is the definition of mediocre results. Not bad...not good. Mediocre.

Just eat your crow already. The ship is on fire.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I just heard the clip of Keefe postgame conference… what in the hell is this guy smoking. He felt confident of how they played against a cup contending team? Wtf, the Leafs are supposed to be contenders after all this time. This team is going to be hockey scholars with how much they’re “learning”. Does he expect us to believe what he’s shovelling?

 

[Kurtz]

LOL. Gotcha. So franchise point record is mediocre and getting a basement squad into the playoffs is nothing.

How can one argue that? LOL.

I just pointed out the mistakes in your arguments - no need to get snippy or be a sore loser.

Here, I'll make it even easier for you to process: During our glorious franchise point record season we had a winning % of .640.

Last year we had a winning percentage of...drum roll...688%.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

It's definitely a tough market, you have the most passionate and frustrated fanbase in the league. You would think that would at least translate to a great home crowd, but nope...it's a library in there when the team plays.

For years this pressure has lead to us throwing away picks to prop up failing teams leading to cycles of mediocrity. Finally we did a proper rebuild - but are blowing it having taken a chance on a kid learning on the job. Shanny thought he can hire Lou to teach Dubas the tricks of the trade, but miscalculated here too - Lou did not see Dubas as a successor, but rather as a competitor coming for his job.

If there's a ray a hope, I'd look to the Raptors - another franchise that seemed utterly hopeless until they found a brilliant GM in Masai Ujiri. We gotta find hockey Masai, because I don't think Shanny's it.

Da average fan can't afford to go to games at Scotia .. decent seats down low are $1,500 per night, Hot Stove another $1,000 and beers in stands at $100 plus $65 to park .. even up top where I have my seats behind net it is $700 per night plus steaks etc .. Scotia is filled with multi millionaires except a few people up in greens way up there .. my point is season ticket subscribers are not Leaf fan base

 

[yubbers]

I just heard the clip of Keefe postgame conference… what in the hell is this guy smoking. He felt confident of how they played against a cup contending team? Wtf, the Leafs are supposed to be contenders after all this time. This team is going to be hockey scholars with how much they’re “learning”. Does he expect us to believe what he’s shovelling?

Yeah. Like you expect the occasional *insert generic media saying* but his comments after that game were nuts. It's like he thinks he's talking to the parents of a house league Pee wee team. LOL. THEY ALL HAD FUN

 

[yubbers]

I just pointed out the mistakes in your arguments - no need to get snippy or be a sore loser.

Here, I'll make it even easier for you to process: During our glorious franchise point record season we had a winning % of .640.

Last year we had a winning percentage of...drum roll...688%.

You telling me a franchise point record is irrelevant due to OT points is you winning an argument? LOL. O brah. Whatever you gotta tell yourself. I always forget imaginary stats are Dubas folks things. Not actual points.

 

[Kurtz]

You telling me a franchise point record is irrelevant due to OT points is you winning an argument? LOL. O brah. Whatever you gotta tell yourself. I always forget imaginary stats are Dubas folks things. Not actual points.

Yes, how are you still not comprehending this...

Also, team winning percentage is not an imaginary stat...and is based precisely on, and exclusively on (gasp!) actual points...

 

[yubbers]

I just pointed out the mistakes in your arguments - no need to get snippy or be a sore loser.

Here, I'll make it even easier for you to process: During our glorious franchise point record season we had a winning % of .640.

Last year we had a winning percentage of...drum roll...688%.

Last year. In a shortened season where we played some of the weakest teams in the league all season?
The mental gymnastics are amazing.

 

[Twine Tickler]

I think the only lesson Keefe should be taking on last nights game is that we are not a serious contender at all.

Carolina is just a far superior team in every aspect.

It's painfully obvious that this team lacks the confidence of a serious contender. It's really a shame, because the talent is more than there. They also have the ability to play at that same intensity that Carolina displayed last night. They just seem to get flustered when the pace of the game is elevated. They can't handle passes right now, they panic with the puck on their tape, and they look like they are stuck in the mud for 60 mins. Its actually remarkable how scared they look. Even old reliable TJ Brodie had 2-3 bad turnovers yesterday where he either couldn't handle a pass or just over skated the puck. It is a complete f***ing battle against themselves at this point. Unfortunately the game is every bit as mental as it is anything else.

I honestly still remain confident in our management staff, but there needs to be some accountability. I think getting rid of the GM and coach is the easy thing to do but it will solve absolutely nothing. Changing the GM will not make Mitch and Auston play more confident when it matters the most.

I feel bad for Mitch in a lot of ways. So much talent and ability but he just can't get over this mental hurdle. The PTSD on his face is so obvious. He truly is a fraction of the player he can be right now. And the hard part is that it is all in between the ears. Very hard to change that.

 

[yubbers]

Yes, how are you still not comprehending this...

Also, team winning percentage is not an imaginary stat...and is based precisely on, and exclusively on (gasp!) actual points...

Feel free to be proud of winning the North House league division I guess. But we both know that's not the same as the year they actually played all the teams and a full season Small little bit of info you leave out.

 

[Kurtz]

Da average fan can't afford to go to games at Scotia .. decent seats down low are $1,500 per night, Hot Stove another $1,000 and beers in stands at $100 plus $65 to park .. even up top where I have my seats behind net it is $700 per night plus steaks etc .. Scotia is filled with multi millionaires except a few people up in greens way up there .. my point is season ticket subscribers are not Leaf fan base

I mean, you can forgo getting steaks and limit yourself to under 6 beers, but yea I agree that the hard core Leafs fans have been priced out many years ago.

 

[Kurtz]

Feel free to be proud of winning the North House league division I guess. But we both know that's not the same as the year they actually played all the teams and a full season Small little bit of info you leave out.

I'm not proud of winning the North - that's the entire damn point - who cares about these regular season point numbers.

Here's another free fact for you btw, because you seem to be in need of them this morning - In the Leafs 105 point season, 4 out of the 5 worst teams in the NHL were in the Atlantic. The good teams used those 4 teams as point piniadas, which is how TB and Boston finished 8 and 7 points ahead of our glorious record season...

Is that really what you're so proud of?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I just pointed out the mistakes in your arguments - no need to get snippy or be a sore loser.

Here, I'll make it even easier for you to process: During our glorious franchise point record season we had a winning % of .640.

Last year we had a winning percentage of...drum roll...688%.

Yes, how are you still not comprehending this...

Also, team winning percentage is not an imaginary stat...and is based precisely on, and exclusively on (gasp!) actual points...

Not that I give a crap about regular season stats but PTS% and winning percentage are two different things and I believe you may have mixed up the two. The 688 number you posted before is I'm pretty sure PTS% and points are a lot easier to come by then they once were, you know back in the days where they never gave out more then two points for any one game. Unless you're saying that we won over 68% of our games last season, and I'm pretty sure we didn't.

Again, I don't really care much about regular season numbers and I apologize for my nittyness. But I'm tired of people talking about how great we are, best Leaf team of all time and so on, I just have many issues with that. One is that PTS% shouldn't be used to compare against teams that played when they were only awarding two points per game and the biggest one is that once again, who cares about regular season points when the team never wins when it really counts?

 

[Nineteen67]

It’s obvious you don’t watch much NBA. Scottie himself says his game is comparable to Magic Johnson which it is, and his style is somewhat of a hybrid between Giannis-Kawhi-Magic.

He went 4th overall in possibly the most stacked draft in decades, not unrealistic at all to say that Scottie is our new Kawhi of the future. He’s already better than Kawhi was at the same age.

Don’t try to bring your miserable Leafs outlook and mix it in with the Raptors, the Raptors are everything the Leafs should aspire to be.

Could you please find an NBA board and post til your heart’s content. . You may want to use yankee flag in your avatar, also.

 

[Kurtz]

Not that I give a crap about regular season stats but PTS% and winning percentage are two different things and I believe you may have mixed up the two. The 688 number you posted before is I'm pretty sure PTS% and points are a lot easier to come by then they once were, you know back in the days where they never gave out more then two points for any one game. Unless you're saying that we won over 68% of our games last season, and I'm pretty sure we didn't.

Again, I don't really care much about regular season numbers and I apologize for my nittyness. But I'm tired of people talking about how great we are, best Leaf team of all time and so on, I just have many issues with that. One is that PTS% shouldn't be used to compare against teams that played when they were only awarding two points per game and the biggest one is that once again, who cares about regular season points when the team never wins when it really counts?

It's true, winning percentage has been replaced by points percentage, but outside of the vernacular they both represent the same metric - the percentage of points earned out of the total pool available. Let's not get lost in the semantics when we all (well, almost all) understand the central point that records cannot be compared between the different OT point rule eras.

In our 105 point "record" season, our winning percentage was .640. Last year it was .688. By that objective measure, Dubas best regular season tops Lou's. Our record last year was aided by being in a weak North, and our 105 point season was equally aided by being in an even weaker Atlantic.

Does any of that ultimately matter? Off course not - who cares, but it's a strange and meaningless thing to brag about when building a case for Lou's greatness here.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I just pointed out the mistakes in your arguments - no need to get snippy or be a sore loser.

Here, I'll make it even easier for you to process: During our glorious franchise point record season we had a winning % of .640.

Last year we had a winning percentage of...drum roll...688%.

Yeah against a bunch of garbage teams in a shortened season. This team was still way more raw in 2018 as well (bunch of sophomores) than they were last year as vets. Keep drinking that Dubass koolaid though.

 

[Eye Test]

Disappear you say? Kind of like how zeke, dekes, kb and morg are all Mia? Basically the entire dubas cult is in hiding.

This team has underperformed for 3 years now. Ever since dubas took over it has been a gong show. How do you inherit 105 point team and still have nothing to show for it after 3 years?

Some of us have been trying to tell the rest of you for 2+ years now that dubas is a terrible gm. We were mocked and told to cheer for a different team.

The results are in now. We don't need to guess or predict. We can't win a single round with this team. The fault lies with the person in charge of team personnel. That would be dubas.

How many first round exits do you need to see that dubas is trash?

Two things. I agree with everything you said and I think the reason they don’t get it is 1. They’ve never actually played competitive hockey growing up so they don’t recognize certain elements that don’t show up in the stats but have a huge impact on the game.

And second (this might differ for you) for me I think Dubas is a decent GM and makes okay trades/drafting but his philosophy on how hockey should be played is wrong. Also he’s getting royally screwed by the big 3 not showing up. With that said I hope the entire management is fired after this year if we lose again first round.

 

[Kurtz]

Yeah against a bunch of garbage teams in a shortened season. This team was still way more raw in 2018 as well (bunch of sophomores) than they were last year as vets. Keep drinking that Dubass koolaid though.

Why do the Lou worshippers keep calling those who refuse to bend at his altar "Dubas cool-aid drinkers"? Who here has praised Dubas? Both were/are mediocre Leaf GMs. Grow up and learn to handle nuance.

 

[IPS]

It's painfully obvious that this team lacks the confidence of a serious contender. It's really a shame, because the talent is more than there.

No it's not.

This team is never what it was hyped up to be. Our defense is pure patchwork. Rielly is very limited as a #1D, Muzzin is unfortunately showing signs of decline, and Holl is trash and should be in nobody's top-4. Jack Campbell is the duct tape holding this disaster together (very evident last night). Sandin-Dermott as a bottom pair is a joke. Undersized, inexperienced, slow and unreliable. We needed another vet to replace Bogo but Dubas STILL doesn't have a f***ing clue how to build a proper D.

The forward group is honestly f***ing slow, where did all our speed go. We now have one of the slowest forward groups in the league, Carolina skated absolute circles around us. And they don't compensate with ANYTHING for the lack of speed either.