Post-Game Talk: We suck - Leafs lose 4-1

[Trapper]

this is a win or crash the HF servers with a loss game , lol

I see us beating the Hawks pretty good.
Someone is due for a multi-point game.

Then the dancing can begin.

 

[BudForLife]

Well at least Marner chipped in with a tooth

 

[Nineteen67]

We're neck and neck with TB. They're one point behind us but have a game in hand, goal differential is the same. Of course instead of battling for 1st place in the East we're jockeying for position in the draft lottery. Oh well, can't have everything I guess.

Leafs are tied with TB

 

[Once]

Sadly my second favourite team is the Hawks whom I've watched since the Jonathan Toews draft, they look horrible this year. Jones is in his own world and their defensive structure, believe it or not, looks worst than ours. I feel for Fleury.

That being said, they still look dangerous on the attack and have been able to produce here and there. I think they're due to win one soon albeit, Kane is out. We should win but I'm not holding my breath with this Leaf's squad.

 

[Stamkos4life]

People gotta stop romanticizing Lou here. Jersey fans were glad he was gone, and so were we. He won zero playoff series here, wasted Matthews, Marner and Nylanders bargain ELC deals, wasted a bunch of draft picks on trades for scrubs and saddled us with Marleau. Dubas sucking doesn't make Lou any better here.

What a bad take.

Lou came to the Leafs when we had made the playoffs once in ~12 years.

Lou was here for just 3 years.

Year 1: finish last and draft auston matthews. I'd say that is a good start.

Year 2: make playoffs after finishing dead last the year before. How many times has this happened? We even took the leagues best team to game 6 and many went to OT.

Year 3: we set a franchise record in points with 105. We almost beat the bruins but lost in game 7.

We hadn't made the playoffs twice in a row since around 04. The guy completely changed the culture of the team.

Lou then went to a crappy islanders team and has made the semi finals twice. Won gm of the year twice which is voted by other gms. Fairly sure their opinion is worth quite a bit more than yours.

What do you mean Lou wasted our rfa elcs? What more did you expect for years 1 and 2 after finishing dead last? The only person who has wasted anything is dubas.

Letting Lou go in favour of dubas set this franchise back a decade.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Actually I got the same vibe as back when Ron Wilson was fired (thank you to the person that posted the video of his last home game, good memories of a horrible coach getting his just desserts).

If anyone remembers, some time before Christmas when the Leafs were playing like utter trash, Wilson cryptically wrote a tweet that said something like "I'm really hoping Santa brings me what I want on Christmas...", and everyone was like what f@ck is this guy talking about? On Christmas day he tweets again "He came He came! I got my red ryder BB gun and an extension blah blah fuggin BLAH" (paraphrasing). Everyone was perplexed because it's like WTF has he done to deserve that? Burke says oh, it's to avoid distractions, yada yada. Two months later and he's fired because the team only gets worse. What any fan (with a brain) realized is that Burkie did his old buddy Ron "a solid" and gave him a full year's salary as a Christmas gift, because dude was gonna be fired for sure - probably from above Burke's head. Wilson knew he lost the room and there was no way he was coming back. It wasn't an accident it happened on Christmas and Wilson tweeting that shit was his big f@ck you to the fans and the org.

I wouldn't be shocked one bit if that's a potentially similar scenario here with Dubas and Keefe. Would any self respecting GM extend a coach who committed two consecutive playoff choke jobs? A coach who has had his team on a down turn since early last season? I mean, I personally don't blame Keefe nearly as much as Dubas, as the coach it's really hard to deal with all of your competent "glue guys" being too expensive to keep season after season, leaving you with the unenviable job of mollycoddling your spoiled brat stars and trying to convince the AHL-quality players below them that you're all one big happy family, all one unit with the same collective goal. Sorry, the players know that isn't true.

So unless the team has some miraculous swing in effort and output (not impossible) I'm going to chalk this up to Keefe having lost the room and it's only a matter of time before he (at least) is fired.

When you're playing against the Carolina Hurricanes, I think they set the standard in the league," Keefe said. "Despite the fact that we competed at a higher level today that was required in the game, it's still not to the level necessary to be able to compete with a team like that.

"That's the hardest game we've played this season by a wide margin."

 

[Stamkos4life]

Hahahaha, all these "I was right" posts. Ridiculous. Let's wait 20 more games. A bad start to a season could turn out as what this team needs. No, I also don't have much hope but we'll see.

This isn't just about these 6 games. It's been going on for over 2 years.

I've been telling you guys since 2019 that dubas is a fraud. Here we are 2 years later after having lost to both the jackets and the Habs.

How many more first round losses do you need?

 

[Nineteen67]

Hindsight is great...

Lots of people said it was an unnecessary signing at that point in the rebuild. Furthermore, we assumed one of the young three was going to be sacrificed, but the problem got worse when the “we can and we will” derailed the chances to properly rebuild the team.

I’ve said it all along that they were not going to win until they got a dependable number 1 goalie and a stud number 1 D and they handcuffed themselves from acquiring those assets.

 

[AngryScotsman]

No character, no heart and no grit. It's a recipe for failure.

 

[HomerJLeafs]

our offence is so impotent
everybody is playing with the puck and gets nothing done
the puck is our best buddy
its behind the net its around the blue line
we gonna protect it we gonna make sure its safe
not in the danger zone

 

[TheGreenTBer]

"We learned our lesson from the past playoff series losses. The only way to prevent a first round loss is by playing like shit so we don't even make it to the playoffs. Just a few more lessons to go."

 

[Stamkos4life]

Every. Single. Time. Literally EVERY slow stretch by the Leafs is like this. What's weird is people acting like this is somehow a unique and new occurrence. Heck, you often see the exact same criticisms levied at the Leafs after a SINGLE loss. Then when they're on long winning streaks, all the naysayers disappear and you've got all the optimists talking about going all the way to the cup.

This team has underperformed for 3 years now. Ever since dubas took over it has been a gong show. How do you inherit 105 point team and still have nothing to show for it after 3 years?

Some of us have been trying to tell the rest of you for 2+ years now that dubas is a terrible gm. We were mocked and told to cheer for a different team.

The results are in now. We don't need to guess or predict. We can't win a single round with this team. The fault lies with the person in charge of team personnel. That would be dubas.

How many first round exits do you need to see that dubas is trash?

 

[Bomber0104]

Hahahaha, all these "I was right" posts. Ridiculous. Let's wait 20 more games. A bad start to a season could turn out as what this team needs. No, I also don't have much hope but we'll see.

What do we need 20 games for?

To buy the team/Dubas some time to get back to playoff pretender / 1st round choker level instead of a complete failure like they are now?

Is that the height of what we're striving for now?

 

[17 Clark]

If they're going to keep losing they could at least be entertaining about it instead of giving us this insipid bland half-assed shit.

Why should they sucker fans keep showing up and paying outrageous prices Nothing will ever change inless people start going to the game Unless she hit them in the pocketbook they don’t care they take people for a bunch of suckers kind of like this government

 

[SniperOnTheWing]

Only made it through the last couple of pages in this thread and my god the takes are knee-jerk and horrendous. I wouldn’t trust anybody here to run an office pool much less an actual pro hockey team.

Bitching about the dress code thing and trying to use it as another turd to throw at the team… Come on. I don’t give a flying f**k what players wear to the game. It has absolutely zero bearing on what happens on the ice. It’s meaningless, get over it.

Trade Matthews because he’s leaving anyway? No he isn’t, that’s BS too. He signed a shorter deal to get a raise sooner it’s that simple. Plenty of star players are doing it these days and frankly I don’t blame them. Too easy to end up underpaid and stuck on a long term deal. Think MacKinnon would go back in time and sign a bridge instead? Bet your ass. And Matthews is not getting anywhere near the money, fame, or endorsements anywhere else in the league ESPECIALLY not in Arizona that doesn’t even have a damn arena to play in. As usual reading too much into every stupid thing.

Trade Marner? This one I’ll admit might have to happen for cap reasons if nothing else. But we lose any trade we make and he goes on to be a 100pt player for someone else and probably does better in the playoffs without a rabid horde of lunatic Leafs fans threatening to burn his house down if he doesn’t win. It would be better for his confidence, mental health, and performance to go somewhere else and not play for his hometown team. The pressure here has broken him and if Leafs fans were not so ruthless he wouldn’t have spent the whole summer listening to how garbage he is and he might actually be playing with some confidence right now.

But go ahead, drive out our most talented players in literal decades and see what happens. The team would be worse not better. And even if we tanked and got Wright or somebody we’d be repeating this cycle again in another five years because this fanbase will ruin anybody.

I’m saying it I don’t care, this market ruins its own team not the other way around.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Only made it through the last couple of pages in this thread and my god the takes are knee-jerk and horrendous. I wouldn’t trust anybody here to run an office pool much less an actual pro hockey team.

Bitching about the dress code thing and trying to use it as another turd to throw at the team… Come on. I don’t give a flying f**k what players wear to the game. It has absolutely zero bearing on what happens on the ice. It’s meaningless, get over it.

Trade Matthews because he’s leaving anyway? No he isn’t, that’s BS too. He signed a shorter deal to get a raise sooner it’s that simple. Plenty of star players are doing it these days and frankly I don’t blame them. Too easy to end up underpaid and stuck on a long term deal. Think MacKinnon would go back in time and sign a bridge instead? Bet your ass. And Matthews is not getting anywhere near the money, fame, or endorsements anywhere else in the league ESPECIALLY not in Arizona that doesn’t even have a damn arena to play in. As usual reading too much into every stupid thing.

Trade Marner? This one I’ll admit might have to happen for cap reasons if nothing else. But we lose any trade we make and he goes on to be a 100pt player for someone else and probably does better in the playoffs without a rabid horde of lunatic Leafs fans threatening to burn his house down if he doesn’t win. It would be better for his confidence, mental health, and performance to go somewhere else and not play for his hometown team. The pressure here has broken him and if Leafs fans were not so ruthless he wouldn’t have spent the whole summer listening to how garbage he is and he might actually be playing with some confidence right now.

But go ahead, drive out our most talented players in literal decades and see what happens. The team would be worse not better. And even if we tanked and got Wright or somebody we’d be repeating this cycle again in another five years because this fanbase will ruin anybody.

I’m saying it I don’t care, this market ruins its own team not the other way around.

Holy cope Batman!

The only person who ruined anything is dubas. How do you inherit a 105 point team and have nothing to show for it after 3 years? Literally every single gm in the league would kill for the opportunity dubas was given.

It's amazing there are still posters like you after all the embarrassments Kyle has brought on us.

Do you not care about winning?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Folks like I said our Leafs can't keep up to fast teams like Canes. We got 5 guys left who can fly - Rielly, Kerfoot, Willy, Dermy and Mik. After that we don't have enough foot speed to compete for loose pucks. Mitch got schooled in foot speed last night to Slavin. Sandin had a 2 stride lead and lost a red line to blue line race to a canes 4th liner and then got out muscled for puck on top of that. Now both of those guys have superb edges and can turn in a phone booth but neither have long strides needed for pace/foot speed in a race. Now again both are shorter guys but they both need to lengthen their strides to NHL level pace. Guys like Marchand, although I hate him personally, have done it and maintained their edges. But it is much more than those 2 skilled players. Da team is way way way too slow this year to compete against da good teams. But we still win some games with skilled plays like Matty's goal last night. JT has a great shot and he will get some too. I thought it would happen in 2002 as I have mentioned that JT would need to shift to LW. Maybe it is actually 2021. Da ice is getting tilled badly against us due to his lack of foot speed. Anywho 3 of our 4 superstars are not NHL quality foot speed today. Matty will get back there in next 5 games or so as he conditions himself back. JT and Mitch will never get there. Willy has always been there. Getting outworked for pucks too when races are tied as well. It is fundamental hockey issues for team this year which have shown up back against solid fast teams in Atlantic/Metro divisions. They were there last year too but weak Cdn division hid them. and Habs exposed in playoffs.

 

[Jan]

Any team would take Matthews and Nylander in a heart beat, especially Matthews.

For their price and what they will have to give up?
Not sure all teams would, sorry, they are more expensive that their worth.
I will in fact Argument, that Mc David is not worth what he cost.

Paying that much, takes away what quality you can get on the rest of the team. To paid so many forwards that much, mean that the rest of the team is a true compromise.
It is not Leafs goalies that lost the play of years after years. Leafs goalies are probably much better than they looks here.
No the problem with this team, is the compromises needed give place that kind of celeries for four forwards.

 

[WickedPegJets]

Lots of people said it was an unnecessary signing at that point in the rebuild. Furthermore, we assumed one of the young three was going to be sacrificed, but the problem got worse when the “we can and we will” derailed the chances to properly rebuild the team.

I’ve said it all along that they were not going to win until they got a dependable number 1 goalie and a stud number 1 D and they handcuffed themselves from acquiring those assets.

William Nylander aside from Year 1 of that fat contract has played remarkably well that the Lesfs are reluctant to sacrifice him by trading him.

 

[SniperOnTheWing]

Do you not care about winning?

There’s caring about winning and there’s going to the extreme. The pure anger shown around here is bad enough but lunatics sending death threats to Marner in the off-season, you don’t see anything unhealthy about that? It’s gets to a point where it’s not just about hockey. Nobody here would want to deal with that kind of shit no matter how much money they make and anybody who says otherwise is a hypocrite.

 

[Nineteen67]

William Nylander aside from Year 1 of that fat contract has played remarkably well that the Lesfs are reluctant to sacrifice him by trading him.

They needed to either sign them all to reasonable contracts or trade one of them. They did neither.
I wonder where they would be if they never signed Tavares and had Nylander at 6.5, Marner at 7.93 and Matthews at 8.934

 

[JT AM da real deal]

William Nylander aside from Year 1 of that fat contract has played remarkably well that the Lesfs are reluctant to sacrifice him by trading him.

Willy is not da problem except when he came back, like Mitch and Matty this year, badly out of shape because he tried to bulk up .. that was a huge mistake too because he slowed down which took him half a year to correct .. thank god his dad told him to lose da muscle

 

[BigGulpsEh]

Only made it through the last couple of pages in this thread and my god the takes are knee-jerk and horrendous. I wouldn’t trust anybody here to run an office pool much less an actual pro hockey team.

Bitching about the dress code thing and trying to use it as another turd to throw at the team… Come on. I don’t give a flying f**k what players wear to the game. It has absolutely zero bearing on what happens on the ice. It’s meaningless, get over it.

Trade Matthews because he’s leaving anyway? No he isn’t, that’s BS too. He signed a shorter deal to get a raise sooner it’s that simple. Plenty of star players are doing it these days and frankly I don’t blame them. Too easy to end up underpaid and stuck on a long term deal. Think MacKinnon would go back in time and sign a bridge instead? Bet your ass. And Matthews is not getting anywhere near the money, fame, or endorsements anywhere else in the league ESPECIALLY not in Arizona that doesn’t even have a damn arena to play in. As usual reading too much into every stupid thing.

Trade Marner? This one I’ll admit might have to happen for cap reasons if nothing else. But we lose any trade we make and he goes on to be a 100pt player for someone else and probably does better in the playoffs without a rabid horde of lunatic Leafs fans threatening to burn his house down if he doesn’t win. It would be better for his confidence, mental health, and performance to go somewhere else and not play for his hometown team. The pressure here has broken him and if Leafs fans were not so ruthless he wouldn’t have spent the whole summer listening to how garbage he is and he might actually be playing with some confidence right now.

But go ahead, drive out our most talented players in literal decades and see what happens. The team would be worse not better. And even if we tanked and got Wright or somebody we’d be repeating this cycle again in another five years because this fanbase will ruin anybody.

I’m saying it I don’t care, this market ruins its own team not the other way around.

Ah yes, classic blame the fans post.

Everyone is a lunatic and the poor players can't perform because of the fans.

 

[Racer88]

When you're playing against the Carolina Hurricanes, I think they set the standard in the league," Keefe said. "Despite the fact that we competed at a higher level today that was required in the game, it's still not to the level necessary to be able to compete with a team like that.

"That's the hardest game we've played this season by a wide margin."

That was the most delusional presser of all time. Not to mention that he had to admit that the canes set the bar for hard work……last I checked they don’t have any players making 11 million dollars…….I wonder who built their team the correct way?
Can someone please explain why we are paying 3 guys 11 million and they are not among the hardest working players in the league

 

[ShaneFalco]

Keefe has no answers and they've probably tuned him out anyway