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Is KD right man for the job

  • Yes he is doing great job

    Votes: 30 23.1%
  • Meh lets wait and see

    Votes: 58 44.6%
  • I am starting to be alarmed

    Votes: 27 20.8%
  • fire this dipshit into the sun

    Votes: 15 11.5%

  • Total voters
    130
There is too much of an assumption of some posters that others just accept this result because it's praising a GM.

There are people who were calling to tear down rebuild for several years before it happened. That this result is exactly what they wanted. That maybe they want decent odds at Gavin McKenna next year too
 
There is too much of an assumption of some posters that others just accept this result because it's praising a GM.

There are people who were calling to tear down rebuild for several years before it happened. That this result is exactly what they wanted. That maybe they want decent odds at Gavin McKenna next year too

There are different levels, but this was a scorched earth rebuild. And I get why. To maximize picks he traded away the better younger players too. I even argued that it was hard as hell to knowingly draft Hagel/Cat types outside the top 10. But getting those gems is Davidson's plan because that's how he chose to load the gun.

I'd say Davidson's timeline for success will be known fairly soon.

This type of rebuild needs guys to hit and needs guys outside the top 10 that not only hit...they aren't late bloomers.

In the next few years those 22/23 drafts outside the top pick need to show some blossom from whomever at the NHL level. Davidson has a number of his picks hitting 21 before next season.
 
What other plan are you expecting? We're still tanking obviously for this season and maybe even the next. Of course the total is less than the sum of its parts, we've got a terrible roster without most of our draft picks on it. We've got a bunch of mid-at best-level vets filling spots in the lineup until the prospects develop and can be regulars at positions of importance. We've got patchwork goaltending. We've got some previously drafted guys who aren't making a major leap either (Reichel and Kurashev).

Be excited about Bedard, Vlassic, Allan, even Kaiser. Be excited about watching Nazar play and knowing we've got Levshunov and Korchinski apparently doing well in the AHL. We've almost certainly got one of Hagens or Schaefer joining the team next year too. I think it's one more bad season after this one and then we're off to the freakin' races.

I really don't get the general negativity about this rebuild by some of you. It's going to take time. Especially on the Hawks board where some of you apparently forget that we didn't start and end our rebuild by drafting Toews and Kane in 06 & 07, then starting winning Cups.

Not to mention, the Stars are hardly a favorite for the Cup. They're in the mix for a top 3 team in the Division and they're not better than Vegas or Edmonton. Them adding a Thomas Harley-type through the draft every now and then sounds sexy and all but it amounts to nothing when it matters. 34yo Matt Duchene is their leading scorer and he's not even at a PPG pace. Robertson is supposed to be their superstar forward and he's having an off year to say the least. Heiskanen for all the praise he gets, while a very good defenseman, isn't carrying his team to a Cup.

You almost always need franchise level players at mulitple positions if you want to win a championship. I'd rather try and to it our current way than hope to be the Dallas Stars, likely ending up way more like the Calgary Flames in the process.
Dallas is likely a top 3 team in the West this year as far as legit contenders. It’s a weird jab they literally just went to back to back conference finals and draft better than anyone. Heiskanen was also Conn Smythe worthy in the bubble and is a Franchise level player. He’s who I would compare Scheffer to, and if he turned into a Heiskanen clone I would be thrilled.

One of the few teams actually capable of winning it all and that window won’t be shutting anytime soon
 
I'm still not sure what Davidson's plan is besides "suck for picks", which isn't a plan, it's a simple order passed on from the owner.

I like lots of parts but the whole is still worth alot less than the sum of those.

How does a planned rebuild go from LR to Sorensen at this point? I like Sorensen enough to give him time (the bar was really low) but he doesn't fit anything LR was doing.

Whatever his plan was beyond the 3 syllables above, it has changed or it will have to.
Sucking for picks to get good players is a tried and true plan. Name a single cup winner without a top 3 pick on their roster
 
recent Cup winners
2020/2021 - Tampa Bay Lightning
1st overall 2008 - Stamkos
2nd overall 2009 - Hedman

6th overall 2010 - Connolly
3rd overall 2013 - Drouin

2022 - Colorado Avalanche
2nd overall 2011 - Landeskog
1st overall 2013 - MacKinnon
10th overall 2015 - Rantanen

10th overall 2016 - Jost
4th overall 2017 - Makar
4th overall 2019 - Byram

2023 - Vegas (not a fair comparison)

2024 - Florida Panthers
3rd overall 2010 - Gudbranson
3rd overall 2011 - Huberdeau (traded for Tkachuk)
2nd overall 2013 - Barkov
1st overall 2014 - Ekblad


3 of the last 4 Cup champs were entirely built from the draft and sucked for a long time. They made trades to get to the Cup after assembling their core through the draft. Each team won the Cup at least 9 years after their 1st overall pick. Its a long process.
 
recent Cup winners
2020/2021 - Tampa Bay Lightning
1st overall 2008 - Stamkos
2nd overall 2009 - Hedman

6th overall 2010 - Connolly
3rd overall 2013 - Drouin

2022 - Colorado Avalanche
2nd overall 2011 - Landeskog
1st overall 2013 - MacKinnon
10th overall 2015 - Rantanen

10th overall 2016 - Jost
4th overall 2017 - Makar
4th overall 2019 - Byram

2023 - Vegas (not a fair comparison)

2024 - Florida Panthers
3rd overall 2010 - Gudbranson
3rd overall 2011 - Huberdeau (traded for Tkachuk)
2nd overall 2013 - Barkov
1st overall 2014 - Ekblad


3 of the last 4 Cup champs were entirely built from the draft and sucked for a long time. They made trades to get to the Cup after assembling their core through the draft. Each team won the Cup at least 9 years after their 1st overall pick. Its a long process.
And then before that you get to Washington with Ovie, Pitt with Sid/Malkin, Chicago with Kane/Toews...

It is the method. Everyone wants to St. Louis 2019 their way to a Cup, but that's both the exception and the biggest fluke of the cap era (seriously, they were the least good team within the year they won it to win and while competitive for a while, were never particularly close before or after).
 
Luke Richardson was fired on December 5th. Team was 8-16-2 on a 57 point pace. Sorenson takes over and is 6-12-0 for a 55 point pace.

Total GF and GA numbers are 113 GF and 152 GA.

Sorenson has 51 GF and 70 GA in 18 games. 2.83 GFPG 3.88 GAPG

Richardson has 62 GF and 82 GA in 26 games. 2.38 GFPG 3.15 GAPG.

A lot of work to show what has sort of been obvious. We are scoring more and giving up more under Sorenson.
 

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