We Don't Need To Pull No Stinkin' Goalie! PHX (ARI) 3, LAK 2

[Jeff18]

No offense but I couldn't disagree more. He thought his wrist was broken, it was an appropriate response especially with no penalty being called.

It's really hard to get into a scrap with a broken wrist though don't you think? He just lost his cool, which is understandable, but took it too far.

 

[HYORI 1963]

It's really hard to get into a scrap with a broken wrist though don't you think? He just lost his cool, which is understandable, but took it too far.

Lucic THOUGHT his left wrist was broken. He punched with his right hand.

 

[Winger23]

It's really hard to get into a scrap with a broken wrist though don't you think? He just lost his cool, which is understandable, but took it too far.

If agree if he punched him with the same hand.

The way he reacted I think he keeps his cool if the refs make the initial call. Also there is history with him and that ref which didn't help.

He lost his cool blowing up at the ref based off this history, otherwise it just end up being a play where there is no call, but since they had to call the rough they evened it up which tells me the ref saw it and decided not to care.

 

[Jeff18]

What level do you play at, and how much is your AAV?

Every level except Junior A and Major Junior. I currently play at the college level. So I have never been paid.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The slightly-loose cannon is part of Looch's charm and part of his intimidation. We knew that bringing him aboard and we know 22 other roster Kings wouldn't have done that. It is what it is. I don't mean I literally "don't have a problem with it" like it was clean or something, i just mean if this or the Couture thing is going to happen once every 25 games or so, I'm good with that...I sure haven't noticed people ****ing with Kopitar or Toffoli et. al. this year, has anyone else?

I am not sold on Schenn.
Not against him... But for the guy who made the trade, and wasn't a favor... Not sold.

Not at you in particular but I don't know what else he could do to change anyone's mind. He's playing with mostly Errorhoff and looking good defensively doing it. Even last game against the wild he played 2nd pairing minutes and was even. If you're not noticing him other than when he crushes someone on the boards, he's doing it right. He's not going to wow anyone, and especially in replacing Greene's role, he's everything we ever got out of Greene in a positive way.

Since the conference final.

At home:
5-3, 22GF, 15GA

In Arizona:
3-5-1, 20GF, 25GA

Total:
8-8-1, 42GF, 40GA

This year, the Coyotes haven't scored fewer than 3 goals in any game, while the Kings have scored more than 2 only once.

Every one of those games has been a circus in some way too. I don't understand their voodoo vs. us. I mean, this year they're legitimately good team (I know, I"m in the minority believing that), but every game they've gotten some crazy break. That won't keep up in the playoffs.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Every level except Junior A and Major Junior. I currently play at the college level. So I have never been paid.

You can't compare collegiate hockey against the professional hockey. College players get suspended for fights, professional players don't. Of course you'll be LOT more disciplined as a collegiate player. Come on, get serious!

 

[scryan]

Every level except Junior A and Major Junior. I currently play at the college level. So I have never been paid.

A.) **** yeah man, right on. What position?
B.) I don't think you can directly compare it against the NHL level. As noted, that call isn't getting made if he doesn't respond. So he does nothing, 5 on 4. He punches guy, 5 on 4.

I don't think keeping Lucic in would have gotten then win, and given that the outcome is the same either way... A face wash would definitely not have gone as far to convince the other guy that wasn't what he wanted to do in the future. This is nowhere near the first after the whistle punch the NHL has seen when the opponent steps over the line.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You can't compare collegiate hockey against the professional hockey. College players get suspended for fights, professional players don't. Of course you'll be LOT more disciplined as a collegiate player. Come on, get serious!

I don't think his point is that far off. Most coaches and teams will discourage that at just about any level.

I agree with you that professional hockey is different in that way, but consider the lens. I've played similar levels and even as the team pain-in-the-ass guy that probably WOULD be the guy to do something like Lucic did I'd expect that I'd get suspended by my team if not my league for doing something that was ultimately pretty selfish.

 

[Jeff18]

You can't compare collegiate hockey against the professional hockey. College players get suspended for fights, professional players don't. Of course you'll be LOT more disciplined as a collegiate player. Come on, get serious!

What Lucic did is not fighting. If he fought, I wouldn't say anything. And there are fights all the time in college games. Go watch some. You think the fourth line scrubs who get 3 minutes of ice time care about a one game suspension?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

A.) **** yeah man, right on. What position?
B.) I don't think you can directly compare it against the NHL level. As noted, that call isn't getting made if he doesn't respond. So he does nothing, 5 on 4. He punches guy, 5 on 4.

I don't think keeping Lucic in would have gotten then win, and given that the outcome is the same either way... A face wash would definitely not have gone as far to convince the other guy that wasn't what he wanted to do in the future. This is nowhere near the first after the whistle punch the NHL has seen when the opponent steps over the line.

Yup, and Yotes backed WAY off in scrums after that, too.

Your waiver-fodder defensive plug has no business two-handing our 1LW. Message sent.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Lucic is Lucic. Most guys aren't going to react to a slash quite like that. He doesn't usually, but it sounds like it caught him in just the right spot to make it go numb. He loses it sometimes. Just who he is as a player.

If he did it to a King, we'd probably want him to be suspended. Since he's a King, eh, well, he thought he was hurt. No different than any other fan base. We're all tribal.

 

[HYORI 1963]

What Lucic did is not fighting. If he fought, I wouldn't say anything. And there are fights all the time in college games. Go watch some. You think the fourth line scrubs who get 3 minutes of ice time care about a one game suspension?

Did his actions cause the kings to be shorthanded?

 

[Jeff18]

A.) **** yeah man, right on. What position?
B.) I don't think you can directly compare it against the NHL level. As noted, that call isn't getting made if he doesn't respond. So he does nothing, 5 on 4. He punches guy, 5 on 4.

I don't think keeping Lucic in would have gotten then win, and given that the outcome is the same either way... A face wash would definitely not have gone as far to convince the other guy that wasn't what he wanted to do in the future. This is nowhere near the first after the whistle punch the NHL has seen when the opponent steps over the line.

I'm not that pissed since the ref gave Connauton a penalty as well so yeah, I guess it wouldn't have mattered. Just don't like seeing this type of **** in the game, no matter how hard or soft.

And I play RW.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I personally like having a legitimately tough player that is a ticking time bomb. Look at the Wild game. Late in the third some guy went for Lucic, looked up and saw him, and backed off.

 

[scryan]

Not at you in particular but I don't know what else he could do to change anyone's mind. He's playing with mostly Errorhoff and looking good defensively doing it. Even last game against the wild he played 2nd pairing minutes and was even. If you're not noticing him other than when he crushes someone on the boards, he's doing it right. He's not going to wow anyone, and especially in replacing Greene's role, he's everything we ever got out of Greene in a positive way.

Definitely why I am not down on him either. I guess I am still waiting for something to make my mind up.
Funny you mention Greene. Was thinking about that during the game... And how Greene hadn't really sold himself to me in a long time, so definitely in that regard he hasn't been a downgrade. And certainly for a 3rd line D he has not been making things bad. It almost seems like while he hasn't made costly mistakes, nothing has stood out as great, while most has been mediocre and some have been "bad" but not bad enough to be costly. Not too much to hold against him or point out but I feel like he is mostly neutral, while if anything occasionally making the wrong call.

Guess I would rather have him in over errorhof, and until we have a better alternative...

 

[Jeff18]

Did his actions cause the kings to be shorthanded?

No, but it's still a coward move. That's something Shane Doan/David Backes would do. In fact they do it all the time and we can see how much of a ***** they are.

 

[HYORI 1963]

I don't think his point is that far off. Most coaches and teams will discourage that at just about any level.

I agree with you that professional hockey is different in that way, but consider the lens. I've played similar levels and even as the team pain-in-the-ass guy that probably WOULD be the guy to do something like Lucic did I'd expect that I'd get suspended by my team if not my league for doing something that was ultimately pretty selfish.

Believe me, I understand. But when you get struck hard at some sweet spot, that pain will just overwhelm you, and you just tend to react. Besides, Lucic's action didn't cause the kings to be shorthhanded. And I definitely don't think it was a selfish play.

Just think about the play in which Doughty was being cheapshotted by the boards in a game a few weeks ago where DD lost his cool, and got a double minor for roughing??? To me, that's more selfish than what Lucic did.

 

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Did his actions cause the kings to be shorthanded?

Pretty rare for a guy to get a game misconduct on a minor. Typically it would have been a double minor or a major for doing something like that, so it would have eventually resulted in a PP against. I'm not familiar with Connauton's history but it didn't seem intentional, just a dime a dozen stick fighting in the front of the net that went wrong. Response wasn't called for.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I personally like having a legitimately tough player that is a ticking time bomb. Look at the Wild game. Late in the third some guy went for Lucic, looked up and saw him, and backed off.

Exactly.

it's why I loved Carcillo too. But Lucic is a frigging great player as well as a total monster. He's absolutely unique.

But again, I recognize I'm somewhat in the minority there, as for a while, I was hoping we'd get a Steve Downie type to keep people honest. Watching Kopitar get run and no one do a thing about it was driving me crazy. Well, Looch's presence has stopped the liberties from what I can see, and part of his crazy is stuff like tonight. THATS why I say I have no problem with it. Now if he were running around sucker punching people every scrum Burrows style? That's different.

 

[HYORI 1963]

No, but it's still a coward move. That's something Shane Doan/David Backes would do. In fact they do it all the time and we can see how much of a ***** they are.

Maybe if you're a little guy, or perhaps, someone who doesn't play the physical style of game that Lucic does. There isn't a player that's an enforcer/power forward like Lucic, who wouldn't have reacted the same way.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't think we're all going to see eye to eye on some of the 'value' stuff guys and that's okay, but keep it civil.

 

[KingsKnight]

I mean, goal off doan's chest and a lost jump ball are two bad goals against, hard to overcome two of those. Look how pumped up the Yotes were to score. Kings just aren't matching the intensity of most of these other teams lately for whatever reason it may be.

Circus can't stop coming to town every time we play the Yotes too.

Definitely more nervous for tomorrow now, last of a 3 in 4 and 6 in 10, nothing left.

6 in 9 I believe. It's actually two back-to-back 3-in-4, which is pretty nuts. They're definitely showing the fatigue on the ice.

The games have been Sat, Sun, Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun. That's a tough schedule to keep up the Kings style of play. I'm hoping they have something left in the tank tomorrow. Sutter is going to have to be sharp on the line times.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Pretty rare for a guy to get a game misconduct on a minor. Typically it would have been a double minor or a major for doing something like that, so it would have eventually resulted in a PP against. I'm not familiar with Connauton's history but it didn't seem intentional, just a dime a dozen stick fighting in the front of the net that went wrong. Response wasn't called for.

Probably more so for the verbally abusing the official who tossed him. Apparently, he and Lucic have quite the past with Lucic being tossed out in several games by one Brad Meier.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Pretty rare for a guy to get a game misconduct on a minor. Typically it would have been a double minor or a major for doing something like that, so it would have eventually resulted in a PP against. I'm not familiar with Connauton's history but it didn't seem intentional, just a dime a dozen stick fighting in the front of the net that went wrong. Response wasn't called for.

I'm pretty convinced the misconduct came from Lucic melting down at the ref afterward, not sure if it was captured on your feed but he went off for like 30 seconds with only a few words that weren't expletives.

I don't think it was Connauton singling Lucic out if that's what you mean but I can't agree with it being a dime a dozen slash, and he just did it to the wrong guy. Even if it was an overreaction, it was close to commensurate with an egregious slash in exactly the wrong spot.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

6 in 9 I believe. It's actually two back-to-back 3-in-4, which is pretty nuts. They're definitely showing the fatigue on the ice.

The games have been Sat, Sun, Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun. That's a tough schedule to keep up the Kings style of play. I'm hoping they have something left in the tank tomorrow. Sutter is going to have to be sharp on the line times.

That's right. I'm just remembering the road trip from earlier.

How ugly, especially for us...I'm not making excuses, you have to find a way, but I know I can't be the only one that sees this team REALLY struggle with these situations for whatever reason.