We didn’t know what we had

[mikeyz]

I am convinced that you have brain damage, there is no way you are trying to have the same convo as a couple days ago about how someone needs to have all this experience to run a team, but also ignore people like Lou (who you praised) who had no experience.

End of the day, does anything think NYI is built to win the cup this year or in the next few years, or are they likely to lose to TBL or VGK/COL?

I would rather a GM that is trying to build a championship team than a very good team.

At the end of the day, you are all mad because we didn't meet expectations, which is hilarious that you are mad at Dubas since he is the reason you have raised expectations. He has quickly improved this team (look at the D under Lou vs now), and now you have higher expectations because of it.

I am pretty sure people had high expectations because we were in a watered down North Division. But they couldn't even win a round in that.

 

[notbias]

at the end of the day a new GM plays the hand he took over but few walked into a hand Dubas was gifted and every GM is trying to build a cup winning team

also at the end of the day Dubas didn't raise expectations , playing in an extremely weak division did

Hand they were dealt

Lou's D
Rielly-Hainsy
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Polak

Dubas' D
Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Bogo

I am happy with the direction the team is going, but not the results. I also think hockey is a very unpredictable sport and all you can ask of your GM is to put you in the best position to win, which I think he did for the most part (I still have issues with some things).

This loss was not on the GM, I don't see how anyone thinks it was, but I guess everyone needs someone to blame.

 

[sparxx87]

Trotz hired as coach of Islanders after leaving Capitals

"When you step down you take some chances," Trotz said. "I was obviously pleasantly surprised I got a call almost immediately once word got out in the inner circles. I said, 'I'm in, I want to listen.' ... [Islanders general manager Lou Lamoriello] told me about his vision and his plan for his team, what he's already done in a very short period of time, changing a lot of things, changing the culture and all that. I love that. That's what they hired me to do in Washington, change a little bit of the culture, try to win a Stanley Cup. So we're going to try and do the same thing on the Island."

"He brings experience, he brings knowledge and he brings success, which is the most important thing," Lamoriello said. "You have to win. He knows how to win, and he's a good human being. So I think he's a great role model for what we're trying to do as far as bring to the organization."

"I think that what we had said [was] we would try to get the best coach available, and when time is on your side, you use it," Lamoriello said. "We were in no rush. There were several people that we could've considered. When this transpired, I think it's obvious that we tried to do it as soon as we possibly could."

So what differs in what Lou & Trotz trying to do compared to what Kyle & Keefe are trying to do?

Great find! There was another one on the main board thread where Trotz essentially said he wouldn’t have gone there if not for Lamoriello.

Weird how people don’t want to give him credit. Most organizations look to the top and measure how they’ve built the structure below them.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I am pretty sure people had high expectations because we were in a watered down North Division. But they couldn't even win a round in that.

On top of that, Dubas inherited a great team from Lou that had the greatest season in franchise history, most points, wins etc.

 

[ER89]

In the broader discussion of what constitutes equivalent education for someone whose never played or coached competitively, Brisebois spent almost a decade under Steve Yzerman. He was a sponge who soaked in a wealth of information, and didn’t think he knew better than those who’ve advanced before him.

Dubas was the kid who threatened to run away (to Colorado) and the parents (Shanahan) caved in and allowed him to do something he wasn’t ready for.

Maybe that's why he's sympathetic to marner. Weak.

 

[sparxx87]

Maybe that's why he's sympathetic to marner. Weak.

Very, very interesting thought. Handling Marner with the kid gloves because he sees how terrible Paul Marner is.

Feels bad so he plays good cop.

That would be a swell thing to do, but not from the man in the big chair. That’s a matter for the HR department.

 

[socko]

Dubas and Shanny keep talking about vision this, vision that..

You know who else had "visions"?

I think they should put the "For Entertainment Only" disclaimer at the bottom of the screen when Dubas and Shanny talk about their vision.

 

[mikeyz]

Do you think NYI is a championship-caliber team? Not can they win, anyone can, but do you believe they are likely to win against VGK/COL/TBL?

Let's model ourselves like the 3rd round teams Montreal or NYI.

We need to trade each of Matthews, Marner, Tavares for middle-six forwards, a Nylander type player should be our top player.
We need to trade any skilled puck-moving D so Sandin/Rielly need to go for some large D with a booming shot.
Then we need to hire Babcock or Tortz.

This is sounding kind of good, but we need a GM to do this for us, lets get Jim Rutherford.

Done! We are now going to make the 3rd round, everyone is happy now.

How many more 1st round losses do we have to endure before you realize that Dubas hasn't been good here??

 

[Garthinater]

Like I said before:
He is a shit GM for a young skill based team, but a good GM for a grit team like NYI.
Stop crying and don't forget how bad he was here.

Lou inherited a 68 point leaf team.

We had made the playoffs once in ~12 years.

First year we came last and got to draft matthews.

2nd year 100 points and playoffs!

3rd year 105 points (franchise record) and playoffs twice in a row for the first time since 04.

Dubas:
Inherits a 105 point team

First year we lose 5 points and lose in the first round.

2nd year we pace for only 95 points and lose to the jackets in the qualifier

3rd year we get a once in a lifetime division realignment and we lose in embarrassing fashion to the habs.

The results show that with one gm we only progressed. With the other we have stayed the same or regressed.

So which gm was "bad" here?

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Also whats the point of this thread. People cherring for their favorite GM on another team. Leafs fans are awful.

Can we not cheer for another team (and by extension, respect their GM) and be a Leaf fan at the same time?

Are the two things mutually exclusive somehow?

 

[mikeyz]

Lou inherited a 68 point leaf team.

We had made the playoffs once in ~12 years.

First year we came last and got to draft matthews.

2nd year 100 points and playoffs!

3rd year 105 points (franchise record) and playoffs twice in a row for the first time since 04.

Dubas:
Inherits a 105 point team

First year we lose 5 points and lose in the first round.

2nd year we pace for only 95 points and lose to the jackets in the qualifier

3rd year we get a once in a lifetime division realignment and we lose in embarrassing fashion to the habs.

The results show that with one gm we only progressed. With the other we have stayed the same or regressed.

So which gm was "bad" here?

The Dubas defenders reading this post right now.

 

[hotpaws]

Hand they were dealt

Lou's D
Rielly-Hainsy
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Polak

Dubas' D
Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Bogo

I am happy with the direction the team is going, but not the results. I also think hockey is a very unpredictable sport and all you can ask of your GM is to put you in the best position to win, which I think he did for the most part (I still have issues with some things).

This loss was not on the GM, I don't see how anyone thinks it was, but I guess everyone needs someone to blame.

he improved the D by weakening the forwards

now he'll probably cheap out on goaltending to try to use the cap savings to slightly improve the forwards

and nothing is Dubies fault , not the loses , not the coach he hired shitting the bed , not the contracts he handed out that crippled this team

 

[hotpaws]

And Dubas has been?? LMFAO.

gotta love this board

-Burke took over a bad team and did nothing to improve it and shortly after he was fired the team he left needed to be gutted but he had a massive following of rabid supporters that worshiped him

-Lou came in , tore down the mess he inherited and led the team to a franchise record in just 2 seasons yet he's a brutal GM

-Dubie gets promoted , the team performs worse and can't even get by 2 mediocre to bad teams and is praised like the second coming

you just can't make this shit up , lol

 

[Garthinater]

Lou also had Barry Trotz fall into his lap.
re: Martin - Lou signed Martin to a multi year deal and Lou's coach refused to play him after year 1. Is that on Dubas? The Leafs were forced to mercy trade him back to NY for what amounts to nothing.

What happens if the Isles lose in the semis? I know.....they actually don't win anything.

And please get off the "Dubas fans on here haven't played hockey BS, stats nerds, etc." Unless you can present your glowing resume, and you just turned down a bunch of GM jobs to be a HF poster.

Dubas is the one who traded Martin so if you don't like the return take it up with dubas.

Lou signed trotz. I wouldn't call that "falling in your lap".

The islanders have already won 2 rounds this year. And several others over the last 2 years. They even beat the Bruins which is something we have been unable to do.

Look we have 3 years of results and the dubas fan boys have been wrong at every turn. They keep drinking the dubas coolaid and buying everything he sells. Its obvious that they, like Kyle, have never played and have no idea what playoff hockey is like.

 

[deprw]

I can imagine this same headline with Nylanders picture on it, because we kept Lou. That signed Tavares as UFA, got into irritating contract negotiations with Nylander. That meant Nylander was traded away and then we'd watch Nylander in beast mode in playoffs as center with another team. Our team full of veterans coached by Babcock, that has no leash.

If, if, if. One thing is for sure. We wouldn't have Barry Trotz & Lou Lamoriello.

 

[notbias]

gotta love this board

-Burke took over a bad team and did nothing to improve it and shortly after he was fired the team he left needed to be gutted but he had a massive following rabid supporters that worshiped him

-Lou came in , tore down the mess he inherited and led the team to a franchise record in just 2 seasons yet he's a brutal GM

-Dubie gets promoted , the team performs worse and can't even get by 2 mediocre to bad teams and is praised like the second coming

you just can't make this shit up , lol

I don't understand, playoff success is all that matters, so why are you praising Lou here?

 

[al secord]

He’s still better at everything than DupeUs

The immature name callers are really stepping up their game i see.

 

[mikeyz]

Dubas is the one who traded Martin so if you don't like the return take it up with dubas.

Lou signed trotz. I wouldn't call that "falling in your lap".

The islanders have already won 2 rounds this year. And several others over the last 2 years. They even beat the Bruins which is something we have been unable to do.

Look we have 3 years of results and the dubas fan boys have been wrong at every turn. They keep drinking the dubas coolaid and buying everything he sells. Its obvious that they, like Kyle, have never played and have no idea what playoff hockey is like.

There are 2 things that are undefeated in sports. Results and father time.

What the Dubas fanboys don't understand is that if we were still playing right now, Lou wouldn't even be mentioned.

 

[deprw]

Lou signed trotz. I wouldn't call that "falling in your lap".

Basicly it's falling in, since there was UFA Stanley Cup winning coach, when Islanders had no coach. Same way that Babcock landed on our lap, when we were in same situation. +/- 1 year and that option would have been off the table.

If Lou had signed some free agent coach like Ron Wilson and redeemed him, that would have been something to praise on. Trotz was available and something that anyone would have done if possible.

Same as us signing Tavares as UFA.

 

[hotpaws]

I don't understand, playoff success is all that matters, so why are you praising Lou here?

spin it any way you like but the fact is Dubie is half way out the door and one more underperforming season and he'd be kicked to the curb

 

[gamer1035]

Lou inherited a 68 point leaf team.

We had made the playoffs once in ~12 years.

First year we came last and got to draft matthews.

2nd year 100 points and playoffs!

3rd year 105 points (franchise record) and playoffs twice in a row for the first time since 04.

Dubas:
Inherits a 105 point team

First year we lose 5 points and lose in the first round.

2nd year we pace for only 95 points and lose to the jackets in the qualifier

3rd year we get a once in a lifetime division realignment and we lose in embarrassing fashion to the habs.

The results show that with one gm we only progressed. With the other we have stayed the same or regressed.

So which gm was "bad" here?

Don't forget Dubas has also capped us out (on RFA's who didn't even sign for max term) and traded away over 50% of our picks the next two years. So essentially no room for improvement other than trade deadline deals selling our picks for scrubs with cap retention.

 

[LFCTML]

lmao. Go outside and enjoy summer. These posts are getting embarrassing.

 

[deprw]

There are 2 things that are undefeated in sports. Results and father time.

What the Dubas fanboys don't understand is that if we were still playing right now, Lou wouldn't even be mentioned.

Your stupid if you don't think that they don't understand.

 

[notbias]

spin it any way you like but the fact is Dubis half way out the door and one more underperforming season and he'd be kicked to the curb

Just trying to understand why you can praise no playoff success for one individual and condemn the other for the same thing.

 

[67leafs]

Komorav and Martin are still playing..just sayin