we are so SOFT. We will never win like this

[Ianturnedbull]

I asked you 1 question, how many double shift the lack of defensive work of nylander cost to core 4 last playoff? Because when you trailing, you had no choice than double shift your best playet to tie it... unstead of playing 18-20 gane, they had to play 24-25-26 minutes... how many energy did that cost to leafs best player at the end. It is possible than the lack of defensive work at the end, just burn all the energy of core 4 especially matthews and marner whonwas driving leafs most part of playoff ... and at the end just becoming worst because they didn't had enough energy left?

Just let think about it

I just can't. There's too many typos.

 

[Niagara Bill]

It's funny seeing this supposed stat be referenced, especially as a bad thing. Individually, his expected goals generated per shot remained pretty consistent, so I'm not even sure how it could be true in the first place, but even if it was true, it would be entirely due to the set play and strategy they ran because Vasilevsky was weak to it, that worked, in the series we won. Like it was pretty well publicized during the series so I'm not sure how people have forgotten and are acting like it's some result of Marner being scared.

Look at the shot charts.
Marner is pushed from the net and runs from contact. Not suggesting a bad thing, just reality. He needs to be allowed to play ahead of the play, not behind it. He is not capable of playing close to the net and boards in a tough series. The other team needs to be chasing him.

 

[Jozay]

They will not win anything trotting Klingberg out there

 

[Dekes For Days]

Look at the shot charts.
Marner is pushed from the net and runs from contact.

The shot charts don't suggest that at all. Neither does anything else.

 

[Niagara Bill]

The shot charts don't suggest that at all. Neither does anything else.

Yes they do....and all those stats and % you toss around are bs. Ask Dubas how that works out.
All I suggested is that Marner should be playing up ice to max his skills and effectiveness.
Offense can also be a good defence. When was the last time you saw him behind the dmen.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yes they do....

No, they really don't. There's nothing abnormal about his shot chart.
In fact, the shot location in the playoffs that Marner ranked the most above average in, according to his shot chart, was right in the middle of the slot.
He seems to have a shot recorded from outside the zone for some reason, which is likely skewing his average shot distance data in such a small sample. Beyond that, he had a grand total of 7 long-range shots, which is not only not a lot, but 3 of them went in the net, because it was a result of a set play that Vasilevsky had been scouted to be weak against, not a result of any of the claims you're making about Marner.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marchand hurt Liljegren tonight, and what did his teammates do? That's right, nothing.

We are soft - 100% true.

We will never win like this - I'm gonna say 99% true.

 

[Stephen]

Marchand hurt Liljegren tonight, and what did his teammates do? That's right, nothing.

We are soft - 100% true.

We will never win like this - I'm gonna say 99% true.

This team has awful character and leadership as a group. If that can happen to Liljegren on any given night with a response like that, each Leaf player is basically a victim in waiting.

 

[Future]

The fans care more than the team. Until that changes we won’t be winning anything.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[mikeyz]

I just can't. There's too many typos.

It was tough to read. But I get what he's saying and he's not wrong.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We've had responses like that before too. What people don't seem to realize is that responses like that are the exception on every team, not the rule.
Every team, including the Leafs, will have an occasional response like that, but every team will have no response the majority of the time.

 

[hullsy47]

look at my post history- Ive been saying this for years. We have no quality under 30 tough players on defense outside of Mccabe who is not very good. or forward. No opposing players are scared to park in front of our net. No opposing d is afraid to be hit by any one of our forwards. we will never win anything with this group.

Bertuzzi smiling as his teammate gets carted off the ice Sums it up
Chemistry on this team is brutal
San Jose can have all the treliving signings

 

[theTTC]

We've had responses like that before too. What people don't seem to realize is that responses like that are the exception on every team, not the rule.
Every team, including the Leafs, will have an occasional response like that, but every team will have no response the majority of the time.

As usual, you just make s**t up. Okay, how about: every successful team responds to disrespectful plays that intend to injure.

 

[Niagara Bill]

No, they really don't. There's nothing abnormal about his shot chart.
In fact, the shot location in the playoffs that Marner ranked the most above average in, according to his shot chart, was right in the middle of the slot.
He seems to have a shot recorded from outside the zone for some reason, which is likely skewing his average shot distance data in such a small sample. Beyond that, he had a grand total of 7 long-range shots, which is not only not a lot, but 3 of them went in the net, because it was a result of a set play that Vasilevsky had been scouted to be weak against, not a result of any of the claims you're making about Marner.

Ya wrong man, but no matter what stats you manipulate to show positive Marner, it is 56 and about to be 57.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Okay, how about: every successful team responds to disrespectful plays that intend to injure.

Except they don't. Successful or not, teams aren't usually responding like people think they are. People pick out twitter highlights of the exceptions where they do respond (which we have also had), and expect it to be the rule every time something happens here, and then when it's not, they blame the team for being soft and it's all random person X's fault, instead of just admitting they were wrong, had skewed expectations, and were chasing something worthless that doesn't exist.

Ya wrong man, but no matter what stats you manipulate to show positive Marner, it is 56 and about to be 57.

Lol. You're literally the one that referenced a manipulated stat about small sample individual shot distance changes to start this discussion, and then made a massive leap to a conclusion that didn't even match it. You're also literally the one that said to look at the shot chart. So I looked at the shot chart (which is freely available on the NHL website), and broke it all down for you. It not only shows that you're wrong in your conclusion, but it perfectly matches the cause I laid out for the stat you referenced. A cause that was widely publicized during the series.

 

[ACC1224]

Only team in the league that wouldn't respond to their teammate being intentionally injured, just brutal.

They are impossible to defend at this point, really disappointing.

 

[GoonieFace]

Only team in the league that wouldn't respond to their teammate being intentionally injured, just brutal.

They are impossible to defend at this point, really disappointing.

It’s concerning. Maybe players don’t want to go through a wall for these punks, are they so insufferable?

 

[BraveCanadian]

This is what happens when you give away the farm to young players on their RFA deals and bring in buttery soft players like Marleau, Thornton, and Spezza as leadership mentors. I give Spezza a bit of credit for getting a little more gritty as he was winding down, but these guys never won anything and it shows. Bringing in a robotic captain who has never won anything doesn't help, either.

I'm not sure if it is possible or not, but someone needs to get through to these top players that you gotta have a bit of heart to go anywhere in this league. Sometimes you gotta go into the trenches and get your hands dirty to win in this league. The sellout, sterile, corporate moneygrubbing, analytic iPad watching will only get you so far.. sure you're rich, but still a loser.

 

[cupdreaming]

The Stars got us back into the game last night. I have a problem with Bert and Domi consistently being a wasted roster spot. I thought they were suppose to provide toughness and grit. They cant even act tough or care about Marchand's dirty play

 

[Strangle]

Time to place your bets against the leafs in the first round

Except they don't. Successful or not, teams aren't usually responding like people think they are. People pick out twitter highlights of the exceptions where they do respond (which we have also had), and expect it to be the rule every time something happens here, and then when it's not, they blame the team for being soft and it's all random person X's fault, instead of just admitting they were wrong, had skewed expectations, and were chasing something worthless that doesn't exist.

Lol. You're literally the one that referenced a manipulated stat about small sample individual shot distance changes to start this discussion, and then made a massive leap to a conclusion that didn't even match it. You're also literally the one that said to look at the shot chart. So I looked at the shot chart (which is freely available on the NHL website), and broke it all down for you. It not only shows that you're wrong in your conclusion, but it perfectly matches the cause I laid out for the stat you referenced. A cause that was widely publicized during the series.

Never forget.

 

[Budz]

I woke up this morning with one over riding feeling….

Very simply, why should I as a fan of this team care any longer, when the players clearly don’t?

I’m not saying I’m done, or will completely stop watching, but really what are we all doing supporting this????

There’s been:
18 Wheelers
4-1
Zamboni drivers
Playoff chokes
Last night lack of snot

Beyond pathetic

 

[Dekes For Days]

Never forget.

I don't think any of us are forgetting one of the worst officiated games in the history of the sport.
You're also kind of proving my point. You're pointing to highlights of an exception, and thinking it's the rule.

 

[Strangle]

I don't think any of us are forgetting one of the worst officiated games in the history of the sport.
You're also kind of proving my point. You're pointing to highlights of an exception, and thinking it's the rule.

I’m pointing to the Leafs are a known qty in the league. You’re allowed to do this to them, they let you.

And no matter who the GM brings in, the coach tells them to turn the other cheek.

Fire keefe

 

[Dekes For Days]

I’m pointing to the Leafs are a known qty in the league. You’re allowed to do this to them, they let you.

The Leafs are no different from any other team. Ironically, you're actually arguing against your own argument and pointing to a time when they did respond.
Meanwhile, proving my point by thinking that type of outlier game is common for any team.

And no matter who the GM brings in, the coach tells them to turn the other cheek.

This has nothing to do with the coach or GM. Ridiculous attempt to shift blame.