we are so SOFT. We will never win like this

[ACC1224]

back when I had seasons tickets I hated when Detroit came to town, back then their fan base would be present big time and it was embarrassing to be a Leaf fan in your own barn..........

I love when the building has opposing fans, gives the place a different vibe.

Back in the day, the only team I hated and would sell off the tickets immediately were the trap Devils. Zero entertainment value watching those games.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Let Lagesson play. He has some grit

 

[thusk]

Results, 9 game point streak vs Marners ???

Gretzky Oilers were often outshot, but not out gunned.
When your team scares the poop out of the other team and coach, they rarely pinch and often backpetal quickly.
I am suggesting MM and AM be released from shot blocking and remaining in done and allow one to break out.
They should be receiving the puck at center not 30 ft from goal.
And stop the bs pp stuff with 3 guys standing still.

We didn't talk about being outshot and the hockey is pretty different now than what it was 30 ago. 30 years ago, it was legal to hook like you wanted...

Let just watch last playoff

Tampa gm 3... 2 time tampa scored with nylander taking a shift off defensivly unstead of 2-1 lead, was trailing 3-2

Gm 4 Bad penalty and A guy looking lost in his defrnsive zone... result unstead of being 0-0, leafs was trailing 2-0

Game 6 ... it was 1v1 nylander vs stamkos in feont the net...he left stamkos for absolutly no reason... result unstead of leading 1-0, leafs had to play an overtime.


We can do the same thing with marner with his defensive game

Gm 2, make a great defensive play on tampa blue line and drawn a penalty. He scored on pp, leafs took lead and control of the game

Game 3, made 2 defensive play resulting to 2 leafs goal ( matthews 1st goal and rielly goal)

Gm 6 great defensive play in offensive zone in front tampa net...Unstead of being 0-0, it was 1-0

Its what working or not in the defensive side result. Thats why Marner had been on the ice even more when leafs scored and less when leafs allowed one come playoff time last 2 run. If youre thinking thatbdoesn't have any impact on game, its just the difference between w8nning game and losing playoff game

 

[Dekes For Days]

If being soft has nothing to do with winning I'd counter either does xGF%

Except things like expected metrics and their correlation with winning can and have been analyzed and documented.
Meanwhile, the "soft" stuff has literally nothing backing it up - both in terms of us being it and it mattering. It relies entirely on trust me bro.

Pretty much every team that wins gets called soft up until the point that they win, at which point everybody that was saying they're soft and will never win 180 and claim that they were hardcore and tough all along. It's actually pretty hilarious. Happened with Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Washington, Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, etc.

In 2000-2001 the 7th seeded Leafs were swept in the regular season 5-0 by the #1 seeded Sens. In the playoffs the Leafs swept the Sens 4-0.

Yes. That type of flip often happens when one team gets 0.976 goaltending and one team gets 0.899 goaltending. The issue is that it gets attributed to "toughness" based on absolutely nothing.

You're saying it because you don't have an advanced stat representing leadership and balls.

If what you perceive to be "leadership and balls" is having no discernable impact on any of the results, then maybe that should tell you something.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Except things like expected metrics and their correlation with winning can and have been analyzed and documented.
Meanwhile, the "soft" stuff has literally nothing backing it up - both in terms of us being it and it mattering. It relies entirely on trust me bro.

Pretty much every team that wins gets called soft up until the point that they win, at which point everybody that was saying they're soft and will never win 180 and claim that they were hardcore and tough all along. It's actually pretty hilarious. Happened with Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Washington, Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, etc.

Yes. That type of flip often happens when one team gets 0.976 goaltending and one team gets 0.899 goaltending. The issue is that it gets attributed to "toughness" based on absolutely nothing.

If what you perceive to be "leadership and balls" is having no discernable impact on any of the results, then maybe that should tell you something.

My favorite was when Tampa and their team of HOFers finally got over the hump and it was attributed to Patrick Maroon allowing them to “not get pushed around”

 

[Evilhomer]

Pretty much every team that wins gets called soft up until the point that they win, at which point everybody that was saying they're soft and will never win 180 and claim that they were hardcore and tough all along. It's actually pretty hilarious. Happened with Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Washington, Tampa, Colorado, Vegas, etc.

I think it's even more hilarious when applied to players. Yzerman was a selfish, offense-only player who couldn't win until....he was suddenly some kind of historic leader who could do no wrong, when the truth was simply that over time the team around him got better and better, until it was good enough to win.

 

[Dekes For Days]

My favorite was when Tampa and their team of HOFers finally got over the hump and it was attributed to Patrick Maroon allowing them to “not get pushed around”

The funniest part is that Maroon replaced a similar "tough guy". Literally nothing changed.

 

[Niagara Bill]

We didn't talk about being outshot and the hockey is pretty different now than what it was 30 ago. 30 years ago, it was legal to hook like you wanted...

Let just watch last playoff

Tampa gm 3... 2 time tampa scored with nylander taking a shift off defensivly unstead of 2-1 lead, was trailing 3-2

Gm 4 Bad penalty and A guy looking lost in his defrnsive zone... result unstead of being 0-0, leafs was trailing 2-0

Game 6 ... it was 1v1 nylander vs stamkos in feont the net...he left stamkos for absolutly no reason... result unstead of leading 1-0, leafs had to play an overtime.


We can do the same thing with marner with his defensive game

Gm 2, make a great defensive play on tampa blue line and drawn a penalty. He scored on pp, leafs took lead and control of the game

Game 3, made 2 defensive play resulting to 2 leafs goal ( matthews 1st goal and rielly goal)

Gm 6 great defensive play in offensive zone in front tampa net...Unstead of being 0-0, it was 1-0

Its what working or not in the defensive side result. Thats why Marner had been on the ice even more when leafs scored and less when leafs allowed one come playoff time last 2 run. If youre thinking thatbdoesn't have any impact on game, its just the difference between w8nning game and losing playoff game

We still lost....it isn't working, Marner was so frightened enter the ozone hus shot selection was 10 feet farther in the playoffs than season.
Release the hounds, make the d afraid of him, and AM, etc. Most good ds toy with Mitchy.

 

[myleafs]

My favorite was when Tampa and their team of HOFers finally got over the hump and it was attributed to Patrick Maroon allowing them to “not get pushed around”

Tampas 4th line the last few years has been miles more effective than our mish mash of afterthoughts on our 4th line. How different would we look and what effect would it have had with Perry and Maroon on our 4th the last few years?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marner was so frightened enter the ozone hus shot selection was 10 feet farther in the playoffs than season.

It's funny seeing this supposed stat be referenced, especially as a bad thing. Individually, his expected goals generated per shot remained pretty consistent, so I'm not even sure how it could be true in the first place, but even if it was true, it would be entirely due to the set play and strategy they ran because Vasilevsky was weak to it, that worked, in the series we won. Like it was pretty well publicized during the series so I'm not sure how people have forgotten and are acting like it's some result of Marner being scared.

 

[Racer88]

It's funny seeing this supposed stat be referenced, especially as a bad thing. Individually, his expected goals generated per shot remained pretty consistent, so I'm not even sure how it could be true in the first place, but even if it was true, it would be entirely due to the set play and strategy they ran because Vasilevsky was weak to it, that worked, in the series we won. Like it was pretty well publicized during the series so I'm not sure how people have forgotten and are acting like it's some result of Marner being scared.

How do his real goals stack up against his expected goals?

 

[Dekes For Days]

How do his real goals stack up against his expected goals?

Last playoffs, all-situations, he individually shot 2.81 expected goals and scored 3 goals.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Aren’t we playing for respect during the handshakes?

No, but its the NHL. There is resect during handshakes.

 

[GoonieFace]

Last playoffs, all-situations, he individually shot 2.81 expected goals and scored 3 goals.

Honest question, do you actually watch games or just wait till the stats come out and roll around in the spreadsheets?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Holy shit is this entire board in a meltdown over starting a season 5-3-1?

No, just the usual people.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Honest question, do you actually watch games or just wait till the stats come out and roll around in the spreadsheets?

I watch every single game. Not sure why anybody would think utilizing valuable metrics would mean they don't watch the games. Quite the opposite.
Weird how you didn't direct this towards the person who asked the stat-based question I simply answered.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

It starts from the top. We (the fans, the media, the organization most importantly) have coddled the stars in the post-Lou era. The coddled stars are pillow soft.

The fans are soft?

 

[horner]

We had Schenn, but we only won one freaking round. Do we need both Schenns, or perhaps convince Roman Hamrlik to come out of retirement?

Tell our coach and top players

 

[horner]

Everyone knows they're soft.
We've had this same thread every season for years, this isn't suddenly some type of great insight.

That's why treliving thoughts Reeves would bring that to our game.
He was hoping Bertuzzi would bring that edge to our game he used to .
He watched on tape what happened in the Florida series which was embarrassing for every leaf fan .

 

[horner]

It starts from the top. We (the fans, the media, the organization most importantly) have coddled the stars in the post-Lou era. The coddled stars are pillow soft.

Out of the big three Willy is the only one to become a man this year.
He is not a perimeter player any more .
When he didn't score a goal a couple of weeks ago and then on the bench he broke his stick you new something had changed in him.

 

[GoonieFace]

Out of the big three Willy is the only one to become a man this year.
He is not a perimeter player any more .
When he didn't score a goal a couple of weeks ago and then on the bench he broke his stick you new something had changed in him.

Yeah playing in a contract year usually brings the best out

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Out of the big three Willy is the only one to become a man this year.
He is not a perimeter player any more .
When he didn't score a goal a couple of weeks ago and then on the bench he broke his stick you new something had changed in him.

I wish I could buy this. I just don't. Breaking a stick isn't going to do it I'm afraid.

 

[Racer88]

Last playoffs, all-situations, he individually shot 2.81 expected goals and scored 3 goals.

So he only got 3 goals in 2 series?

 

[BertCorbeau]

what happened to all those gritty players Trev brought in this past summer

 

[thusk]

We still lost....it isn't working, Marner was so frightened enter the ozone hus shot selection was 10 feet farther in the playoffs than season.
Release the hounds, make the d afraid of him, and AM, etc. Most good ds toy with Mitchy.

I asked you 1 question, how many double shift the lack of defensive work of nylander cost to core 4 last playoff? Because when you trailing, you had no choice than double shift your best playet to tie it... unstead of playing 18-20 gane, they had to play 24-25-26 minutes... how many energy did that cost to leafs best player at the end. It is possible than the lack of defensive work at the end, just burn all the energy of core 4 especially matthews and marner whonwas driving leafs most part of playoff ... and at the end just becoming worst because they didn't had enough energy left?

Just let think about it