WCQF: Winnipeg Jets Vs. Colorado Avalanche (COL lead 3-1)

[McRpro]

Wonder how MacKinnon must be feeling about Georgiev right now.

"You better start stopping the damn puck or I'm going to stuff those chick peas directly up your ass!"

 

[PanniniClaus]

Georgiev game 2 with a short leash, just like Samsonov for the Leafs. I don't see another choice for a coach.

Annunen must get back to health to even have a short leash ready.

 

[PAZ]

Did Nate Dogg fight his goalie after the game?

Georgiyev has a history of fighting his skaters after he gets lit up.

George has no fight left in him anymore, he has no scapegoat but himself. Dude is just mentally broken.

He got everything he wanted and failed miserably, but he decided to get worse as the season continued, rather than having the decency of sucking at the start like Campbell.

 

[winnipegger]

Everyone in this game was bad. Hellebuyck *never* gives up 6 goals. Georgiev was worse. Even though the jets won there is a ton of doubt as you can't really take anything from that game. Both teams will be studying tape... Or perhaps throwing the tape away. If the games are wide open the Avs will win more often than not.

 

[Grigowski]

Good news for the Jets:
Georgiev will start game 2 again because our backup (and only hope in net) has the flu at the worst possible time.

I mean, i would throw in Prosvetov at this point. It cant get worse than this.

23 shots on goal and 7 in. Every third shot...

Scoring 6 on Helleybuck wins you any f***ing game. Especially a game 1 away... But nope, "Hold my beer said" Georgiev.....

By the time Anunnen is healthy again this series will be over (or at least the Jets will have a 3-0 lead).

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Cry babies always blaming the goalie. What else is new?

 

[winnipegger]

Cry babies always blaming the goalie. What else is new?

To be fair I believe this was statistically historically bad goaltending.

 

[JiffyPB]

 

[Saitama]

Good news for the Jets:
Georgiev will start game 2 again because our backup (and only hope in net) has the flu at the worst possible time.

I mean, i would throw in Prosvetov at this point. It cant get worse than this.

23 shots on goal and 7 in. Every third shot...

Scoring 6 on Helleybuck wins you any f***ing game. Especially a game 1 away... But nope, "Hold my beer said" Georgiev.....

By the time Anunnen is healthy again this series will be over (or at least the Jets will have a 3-0 lead).

Obviously I'm a Jets fan, but that really sucks, sorry to hear about your backup being sick.

 

[katfude]

Cry babies always blaming the goalie. What else is new?

Tell me you didn't watch the game without saying you didn't watch the game.

You lot were blaming your goalie plenty last year.

 

[Buck Naked]

Georgiev should've probably made some saves, but many of those goals could've been prevented by not sucking at defense.

1 - Can't see the shot because of the screen
2 - Awful defensive mistake
3 - Awful defensive coverage
4 - Fumble by Makar that leads to a 2-1
5 - Awful defensive coverage
6 - Should probably have saved that one. No one was challenging the shooters or passers though. Extremely small box to defend a PK in.
7 - Awful defensive coverage

 

[ReddestRum]

Georgiev should've probably made some saves, but many of those goals could've been prevented by not sucking at defense.

1 - Can't see the shot because of the screen
2 - Awful defensive mistake
3 - Awful defensive coverage
4 - Fumble by Makar that leads to a 2-1
5 - Awful defensive coverage
6 - Should probably have saved that one. No one was challenging the shooters or passers though. Extremely small box to defend a PK in.
7 - Awful defensive coverage

Yes. He should've made saves. If he manages a .800 sv percentage the Avs win that game easily. 3 goals on 8 shots and subsequently, 7 goals on 23 shots is absurd for playoff hockey. It's not like this is one game where he shit the bed, but 4+ goals a game has been his mantra for a long time. At some point you've got to make the tough saves and not the easy ones like you seem to be pointing out here. When your team is putting up 6-spots and 50 shots a game, you need to make that one save that gives them a chance and the edge in a game.

I was hard on my guys in front of Igor as well when he was going through a bad goalie slump, but it wasn't like we were putting up 4, 5, 6 goals a game when Igor was playing like shit.

Geo has let in the most goals this season by a margin of 10 goals more than the rest of the league and still managed to eek out 38 wins with a sub .900 sv percentage. The team can score despite him, but it won't work in the playoffs.

 

[TheSuperElite]

It’s all on Justus now.

 

[Buck Naked]

Yes. He should've made saves. If he manages a .800 sv percentage the Avs win that game easily. 3 goals on 8 shots and subsequently, 7 goals on 23 shots is absurd for playoff hockey. It's not like this is one game where he shit the bed, but 4+ goals a game has been his mantra for a long time. At some point you've got to make the tough saves and not the easy ones like you seem to be pointing out here. When your team is putting up 6-spots and 50 shots a game, you need to make that one save that gives them a chance and the edge in a game.

I was hard on my guys in front of Igor as well when he was going through a bad goalie slump, but it wasn't like we were putting up 4, 5, 6 goals a game when Igor was playing like shit.

Geo has let in the most goals this season by a margin of 10 goals more than the rest of the league and still managed to eek out 38 wins with a sub .900 sv percentage. The team can score despite him, but it won't work in the playoffs.

Sure, I won't disagree with that. But playing behind a team that's not interested in playing defense sure won't make anything better. You can twist it and say that if the Avs Dcore showed up the Avs would've won this game easily as well. It's a team game and Georgiev sure isn't the only one to blame for this loss.

 

[Turbonium]

Cry babies always blaming the goalie. What else is new?

Imagine trying to troll a team that swept you on their way to a cup while the best player on the planet wastes his career in Edmonton.

 

[Turbonium]

Sure, I won't disagree with that. But playing behind a team that's not interested in playing defense sure won't make anything better. You can twist it and say that if the Avs Dcore showed up the Avs would've won this game easily as well. It's a team game and Georgiev sure isn't the only one to blame for this loss.

The Avs D core made a few mistakes but so does every D core. They just usually have a goalie behind them that can make any sort of save, the Avs don't. Holding the Jets to 23 shots at home while putting up nearly 50 is pretty damn impressive, especially with Drouin and Girard out.

That was the chance for the Avs to take charge of the series and their goalie completely failed them, again.

 

[Grigowski]

Obviously I'm a Jets fan, but that really sucks, sorry to hear about your backup being sick.

Why? Classic Avalanche.

I mean, one of our best players over the last few weeks got injured in a meaningless Game 82 too....It is what it is.

Players get injured and sick. It happens. Even at the worst possible time (with the exception of the Golden Knights ).

We have to deal with it like any of the 15 other teams too. No excuses.

Georgiev is our starting-goalie for now and thats it. I dont expect Anunnen to be healthy enough by tomorrow. Not of its indeed the flu. In that case he will/might not be ready for Game 3 and 4 either. And there is no one left as backup beside Prosvetov.

MacFarland decided not to trade for another goalie or veteran backup and put his trust into Georgiev and Anunnen. We made our bed, now we have to deal with the fallout.

Everyone on our board, hell, even on this board in general knew whats to come (although some of us still had hopes he could give us just average goaltending to win a game).

Unfortunately for us it didnt happen and we wasted a great opportunity to win Game 1 and steal home-ice.

And chances that it might happen in Game 2 are very low too. The numbers just dont lie. Again, no excuse, but the stats are what they are.

And the Jets, and Helleybuck, playing like that in Game 2 again wont happen either imho. Just a bad combination for us heading into Game 2, if you ask me.

6 goals away, against Vezina-Tropy-winner Helleybuck is enough to win that damn game. We played a very good away game in general. Our starter just didnt make the saves when needed. Helleybuck hadnt the best game either, but he still gave his team enough to hold on and win. Thats the difference imho.

And Helleybuck will lift his game. I just dont see Georgiev doing it for his team. That guy is mentally done.

 

[Buck Naked]

The Avs D core made a few mistakes but so does every D core. They just usually have a goalie behind them that can make any sort of save, the Avs don't. Holding the Jets to 23 shots at home while putting up nearly 50 is pretty damn impressive, especially with Drouin and Girard out.

That was the chance for the Avs to take charge of the series and their goalie completely failed them, again.

They made many big mistakes. Time to wake up now and realize that the game is not only offense.

But I agree, Georgiev was their worst player. It's just wrong to put it all on him when the team in front of him made mistake after mistake.

 

[centipede2233]

If your gonna have a Russian goalie as your starter, don’t dip into the bargain bin ie.samsonov, georgiev

 

[Avsfan1921]

Cry babies always blaming the goalie. What else is new?

Oh I don’t know…. Maybe a fan base blaming refs for every loss? Or uncle Gary and his evil plot to screw 7-straight-first-overall-lottery-winners from finding the success they truly deserve?

 

[Grigowski]

They made many big mistakes. Time to wake up now and realize that the game is not only offense.

But I agree, Georgiev was their worst player. It's just wrong to put it all on him when the team in front of him made mistake after mistake.

Come on, they hold the Jets to 23 shots. There is nothing you can do if every 3rd shot ends up in your net because your worst player, as you said it, is your goalie ffs

Come one, lets get serious here. If you manage to get 6 past Helleybuck, than this gives you the win on any given night. Even with mistakes in your own end and just average goaltending.

Its frustrating for the players knowing they have to outscore the other team by a wide margin because their goalie is mentally fragile like a snowball in hell. Go ask the Oilers back in 2022. And even if they can, they still might lose the game.

4 goals against average for weeks now.. The stats are there and dont lie. Now this game and 3 on the first 8 shots, 7 on 23.... Thats insane...and not in a good way.

 

[Conbon]

Good old Fourgiev strikes again. Sevengiev doesn't have the same ring to it unfortunately

 

[Buck Naked]

Come on, they hold the Jets to 23 shots. There is nothing you can do if every 3rd shot ends up in your net because your worst player, as you said it, is your goalie ffs

Come one, lets get serious here. If you manage to get 6 past Helleybuck, than this gives you the win on any given night. Even with mistakes in your own end and just average goaltending.

Its frustrating for the players knowing they have to outscore the other team by a wide margin because their goalie is mentally fragile like a snowball in hell. Go ask the Oilers back in 2022. And even if they can, they still might lose the game.

4 goals against average for weeks now.. The stats are there and dont lie. Now this game and 3 on the first 8 shots, 7 on 23.... Thats insane...and not in a good way.

You're basically promoting Erik Karlsson in San Jose hockey here. If we only focus on scoring, let's hope out goalie will clean up the rest. Well, he didn't. Next game, I'm sure the Avs will do a better job defending in front of a different goalie, because last night was pathetic on both those parts.

 

[Eltuna]

Everyone in this game was bad. Hellebuyck *never* gives up 6 goals. Georgiev was worse. Even though the jets won there is a ton of doubt as you can't really take anything from that game. Both teams will be studying tape... Or perhaps throwing the tape away. If the games are wide open the Avs will win more often than not.

6 goals are bad but when you consider the Avs had an insane 38 scoring chances for it looks a lot better, Jets only had half that amount for reference. I’ll check some stats but I bet it’s been a long time since a team gave up that many in the playoffs in regulation and won, Helle deserves credit for only letting in 6

 

[tucker3434]

The defense did have some pretty big brain farts that allowed golden opportunities, but xGA still finished at <2. This is the NHL. You expect your goalie to be a bit more than one of those shooting trainer cutouts. On paper, Georgiev won’t have an easier game to pick up a W. 80%+ on the deserve-to-win-o-meter. You can’t lose those in the playoffs.

It was mostly what I expected going in and why I picked the Jets in this series. That final stat line was a little more extreme than I thought it would be. I was thinking it’d be more like the 2nd intermission score 4-3 (or 5-3 with an EN) final. Maybe the silver lining is that Georgiev won’t see the ice ever again. Annunen (if healthy) wont take 4 of the next six either, but at least we’d have a chance.