WCQF Gm#3: KINGS vs. BLUES - 5/4/13 - One Down, Three To Go! GO KINGS GO!

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Muzzin made that same error TWICE in game 3 throwing it DIRECTLY to the opposition coming through behind Quick...it's disgusting. How Martinez didn't play over him in game 2 is beyond me, he is as solid as a bottom pairing dman can get.
 
The underlying issue is that the Kings are breaking the puck out of their own zone like a rec-league rollerhockey team. They've lost the structure that has characterized their defense all year and especially last year; as a result, they can't generate much speed through the neutral zone, and thus they don't attack with speed. This is a big reason why the forwards are underperforming. The Kings are playing like they're constantly on the penalty kill, chipping every puck off the glass, trying to generate offense with quick rushes, and conceding a TON of offensive-zone time to the Blues.

I think there are several causes: first, we're REALLY missing Mitchell, and Regher is not even close to a replacement for him. Regher is not a particularly effective player at all. He's physical, but his first passes are poor at best. This is why he's an adequate penalty killer, but a liability at even strength. He's holding Dughty back when they're paired together because Doughty needs to do all the work breaking the puck out. Muzzin and Ellerby are similarly ineffective at breaking the puck out. Second, the forwards need to do a better job in the defensive zone. They need to play a bit deeper and win the board battles you mentioned. Doing so would also make them more available for breakout passes. This will probably concede a bit more space to Blues' defensemen to shoot the puck, but if the Kings are winning board battles and breaking the puck out better, then that's a good trade. The forwards also need to backcheck harder through the neutral zone, on those occasions when the Blues are counter-attacking. Indeed, third, the forwards and the defensemen need to pressure more up-ice. The defense's gap control has been horrible, and that allows the Blues to enter the zone with impunity. They don't have to fight to get the puck into the zone.

Really, the starkest difference in all three games is the way that the Blues play as a tight, five-man unit that moves up and down the ice together. They support each other extremely well in all three zones. Every time we start to get a cycle going--our bread and butter, the thing that wins us games--the Blues pressure effectively and then move the puck up the ice easily because they always have an extra option for a breakout pass. ALWAYS. This happens consistenly: two of our forwards chase down a puck below the Blues' goal line, get into a board battle with two Blues, the puck comes free, and two or three other Blues have passing options that our remaining forward cannot stop. Thus, they come out of their zone quickly and efficiently. We are sometimes able to contain them when our defenseman pinches down the boards, but if you notice, the Blues almost always try to bring the puck up through the middle, which their compact structure allows them to do. Our defensemen are not controlling the gaps well--in part because the Blues play so deeply on defense--and thus they are always attacking with speed through the middle. It's absolutely fundamentally sound hockey, kind of amazing to watch, really.

The Kings, on the other hand, are spread out, not working as a five-man unit. Our defensemen are outnumbered by three Blues on the attack, and our forwards are not available for breakout passes. Thus, when we are able to gain possession in our own zone, we can't get it out, and Blues regain possession, usually along the boards or at the blue line, and their attack continues. The Blues outnumber us at the puck in every single zone, on every singe shift.

It's a credit to Quick that we are in this series at all. As Herby said, he is the real franchise player, giving us a chance to win even when we are being outplayed in every aspect of the game. If the Kings are going to really make a series out of this, they have to play as a five-man unit. They did that for period one of game two, and they have been not terrible for a few other stretches. If they can't do that for sixty minutes, then our season is over.

This is a very good analysis.
On the opposite side of the coin, this is a Blues team that cannot beat a Kings team that has some of its top D Men Injured and a Kopitar that is playing injured. I think that says a lot about how weak this St. Louis team is if they cannot capitalize. Imagine what this series would be like if these guys were healthy....It would be very different. :)

However, this is the series we have. So looking at it, First, we have taken some stupid penalties that we have yet to pay for. Most teams can make you pay on a PP but St. Louis is pretty inept here even with us playing with players who are not remotely ready for the playoffs (Ellerby, Muzzin). It's different if you have forwards who are weak, but our D men are the backbone of our structure and St. Louis still can't score when it is weakened.

Second, St. Louis cannot seem to get the puck on net for quality chances on five on five. They don't seem to generate a lot of firepower.Leopold and B-Meister are not that great and while they have a good forecheck, they appear to be capitalizing on our Defensive lapses as opposed to truly penetrating our Blue Line.

Third, St. Louis lacks composure and it looks easy to get under their skin. While they do not take too many bone headed penalties they do lose their cool easily when we do score. If we can get a garbage goal and play with more uptempo on breaking out of the zone, then this team is breakable. On top of that, if our D can stifle and Quick can post another shut out, he will be in their heads and then it's total mind game. A 2-0 game would eat at them.

Fourth: You pretty much hit on the head when talking about our breakout as that decreases our lapses and increases our offensive chances.

What this really comes down into IMHO is that St. Louis is trying to exploit our defensive lapses created by injury and lack of experience with two D Men. If we can get Green back, and stabilize our Blue Line, this series should swing back our way because it will limit their chances and shore up our N. South as Green has more experience in our system. Sutter is minimizing the gap by playing 7 D Men now because he is limiting Muzzin and Ellerby's ice time with the insertion of A Mart.
 
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Speaking of junk goals... how about that goal last night? I think there were 9 bodies in the crease when Voynov scored.

I wouldn't call that so much a junk goal as I would St. Louis inability to clear the puck and sustained pressure. It was clean shot by Voynov as opposed to a ricochet or getting kicked in. But it shows we can score if we continue to pressure the net. :)
 
Anze Kopitar is a shell of his former self right now. He doesn't take over shifts... he's not skating well and he's not protecting or controlling the puck well at all. Here are some fun facts that aren't so fun:

1) Kopi has 6 goals in his last 41 games and here's a REALLY bad stat...
2) Kopi has 0 PP Goals in 79 straight games including playoffs. ZERO!!

I mean, when was the last time you saw Kopi drive to the net for even a rebound?

And before you tell me that BS about all his assists...remember he's a #1 center on this team who makes $6M+ at age 25-26 and averages 28 goals for his career per 82 games. So, he's also paid to put the puck in the net. Kopi has been invisible for a while now! Kings can't win this series without him. He has to wake up. (unless he's keeping an injury - like his knee - quiet). Kings aren't long for these playoffs w/o their #1 Center producing.

And oh by the way, Kopi had 8 goals and 12 assists in 20 playoff games last season and his 6 points in 4 games vs. STL was his high for all four series points-wise. It pretty much comes down to Kopi and Richards at this point. They play better or it's academic.

Kings were VERY fortunate to win last night and I'm guessing they won't be as lucky Monday Night. They'll have to earn it.

I'm not sweating his play anymore, he's obviously injured pretty badly. That's the only explanation I can think of for his poor play. It sucks to see him like this, he's been dreadful. Someone else needs to step up and fill in for his production...
 
Even if the Kings somehow win this series, I don't see them past the second round. The amount of bad offense on Kings side is extraordinary.

what? The only team left in the entire playoffs that can give the Blues or Kings major trouble is Chicago. The winner of this series is my favorite to go all the way. They are just neutralizing each other in ways that no other teams are capable of doing
 
what? The only team left in the entire playoffs that can give the Blues or Kings major trouble is Chicago. The winner of this series is my favorite to go all the way. They are just neutralizing each other in ways that no other teams are capable of doing

Maybe you are right. We will see.
 
Hopefully greene and amart play tomorrow with Muzzin and Ellerby out.

That will give our forwards some offensive freedom instead of having to play deeper in our zone in case muzzin goes brain dead.

If our Defense is amart and Greene. Expect us to pot 2-3
 
Muzzin is a rookie so I'm not going to rip on him for making rookie mistakes. If Greene is able to go then I'm all for Sutter putting him in the lineup.
 
All I can say after watching tonight's game is: its better to be lucky than be good. Blues outplayed the Kings last two periods. I don't know how the puck didn't go in a number of times. Quick played out of his ****ing mind.

I don't see any stupid fans here calling for Bernier. Wonder why. Lot of crickets chirping from that corner.

Those that know Bernier's talents, are stupid fans. Interesting take and you wonder why things are hostile around here. :help:
 
I wonder if Sutter would sit Ellerby and muzzin for Greene and Martinez. I'm scared he won't.
 
Have to love Darryl Sutter's sense of humor, picking up a sombrero from a liquor store for Alec Martinez in honor of Cinco de Mayo.

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I wonder if Sutter would sit Ellerby and muzzin for Greene and Martinez. I'm scared he won't.

There is that, since Sutter did mention how effective both Muzz and Ellerby were in kings making it to the playoffs. But there SHOULD be no hesitating when it comes to starting Amart/Greene vs. Muzz/Ellerby. But with DS, you just never know.
 
Jeez, I generally avoid PGTs after losses but I may have to start doing it after wins too :laugh:

Give the Blues some credit. Not everything is because half of the Kings players "suck".

This is an epic battle of two very good, very similar teams.
 
Exactly, can we give the Blues defense some credit? They are suffocating the offense right now. They are good. Gotta find a way to get through them.

But the amount of pessimism here is pretty bad after a win. Yeah, I get the criticism but come on, these are two evenly matched teams. After last year we aren't used to things being this hard. The top 6 is giving a lot of effort the just can't get through right now because of the Blues D. They still had a lot of good chances. Richards and Brown had the most shot out of anyone. I see the effort, they just aren't getting the results.

And we still have Jonathan Quick who is playing out of his mind right now. Not a fluke, this is the Quick we are used to and I expect it to continue. If that's the case then we can pot a few goals per game and still win.

I hate to hear people mentioning a lack of effort or passion. They are giving everything they can out there but so are the Blues. They are still fighting down in the corners, still hitting, still diving for every puck, but the Blues are doing the same thing. This is playoff hockey. Try to adjust for the next game, but I refuse to believe that any of them aren't putting out 100%.

The thing is, is that after watching last years cup run we know what the players on this roster are capable of, and let's be completely honest - this team isn't playing anywhere near it's potential. And most of all, we are not the inspired team that is playing to win - they are playing not to lose.

I know, I know - crazy talk after a Kings win, right? But after two previous games and now after the third and some of the things aren't changing that needs to to go dead into the playoffs... that is the troubling part.
 
The thing is, is that after watching last years cup run we know what the players on this roster are capable of, and let's be completely honest - this team isn't playing anywhere near it's potential. And most of all, we are not the inspired team that is playing to win - they are playing not to lose.

I know, I know - crazy talk after a Kings win, right? But after two previous games and now after the third and some of the things aren't changing that needs to to go dead into the playoffs... that is the troubling part.

I just think we have to realize that it's going to be quite a bit more difficult and challenging.

Mitchell is gone, Kopitar and Richards are shells of how they were last year, Greene isn't playing, King is nowhere near the level he was at last season, same with Nolan and Fraser.

Last year was just the perfect storm for the Kings. Quick was historically good, the defense had the same 6 guys the entire playoffs and the chemistry was great, Kopitar and Richards were both playing well and didn't have many of their trademark "no-shows" throughout the entire run.

So I guess changing line combos isn't the universal solution for goal scoring, eh?

DS has tried everything to get #11 and #10 going this year, different lines and linemates, hell he even tried them together, but there have been no answers to how bad they have been 5 on 5. We just need to hope that our wingers Brown, Williams and Carter can carry whatever center they are playing with.
 
Mitchell is gone, Kopitar and Richards are shells of how they were last year, Greene isn't playing, King is nowhere near the level he was at last season, same with Nolan and Fraser.

What's funny is, the Blues are struggling against our team that is hit with injuries and Kopi injured. It's like the series against San Jose a few years back. No Kopi and we took them to six games. Blues are good, but not great. These guys are beatable.
 
I have to agree with member agentfouser analysis of the Kings problems, The kings are not playing as a team. Last nights must win was incredibly sloppy and the Kings play is not improving as the series progresses. WHY!! Is it coaching? Or player injuries? Until the Kings find a way to improve I will cross my fingers and everything else I have that they continue to find a way to win!! GO KINGS!!!
 

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