WCH - Impressions of the Tournament

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It will definitely be a flop outside of Canada. I think all of Canada's games will sell out. However, what will the ratings be like?

The worse this does in the US the better it is for our chances of having NHL players at 2018 games in Korea.
 
I'll be honest, there's a pre-tournament game or something in Columbus for this, and I don't even care to go. Actually, I forgot this was a thing until a few days ago. I have absolutely no care to watch this tournament, even though I likely will.

Good. And the game is almost sold-out, so, it tells me what the overall interest really is there.
 
It will definitely be a flop outside of Canada. I think all of Canada's games will sell out. However, what will the ratings be like?

The worse this does in the US the better it is for our chances of having NHL players at 2018 games in Korea.

Anyone with a brain knows that it's going to draw very little attention outside of Canada, and anyone paying attention can see that the worse this tournament does the better it is for international hockey in general. Of course here we have had people trying to make revisions even about this tournament being highly regarded in Europe in the past, so some won't accept what is readily apparent.

Regarding the schism between the NHL and the IIHF, the IIHF deserves a lot of the blame historically. The organization took an antagonistic attitude toward the NHL/Canada/USA and the results still exist. Things have been better in recent times though. Unfortunately, the NHL used to be a positive force for international hockey. Things have reversed now though.
 
Do you really think European fans held those tournaments in high regard?

I don't think so, I know so, cause I live in Europe. People who actively follow hockey here in Finland held the World Cups of 1996 and 2004 in very high regard. Many avid hockey fans here are even a bit elitist when it comes to these events. They think the traditional World Cup is way above the World Championships in prestige, and they despise the "stupid masses" who only really follow hockey for two and a half weeks in May when Finland fights for the WHC gold and don't understand how much more it would mean to win a real best-on-best international tournament. By turning the World Cup into a non-international event the NHL has turned many of these World Cup loving Finnish hockey fans against it.

I know people here in Finland who would never travel to the IIHF Worlds, cause it's considered such a hillbilly thing to do, but who were immediately interested when we started to plan our trip to Toronto this September. I myself decided I'm going when I first heard they were planning to bring back the World Cup (I think it was in 2014), and even though I absolutely hated the inclusion of the all-star teams, that wasn't enough to stop me. I've now booked hotel rooms in Toronto for eleven people.

The european fans were going to badmouth this tournament regardless of format.

That's a load of crap. I didn't badmouth the World Cup in 1996 or 2004, cause there was no reason to. I loved it, and I remember how excited I was to watch the finals between Canada and USA in the middle of the night in 1996 even though I had to go to school the next day (I think I might have missed the morning classes though). I won't be badmouthing the event in 2020, if it's a tournament for national teams, and I wouldn't be badmouthing this year's edition, if they'd just left the gimmicks out. I would love to see a best-on-best hockey tournament in Toronto for six or eight teams, where every player gets to represent their country. For me a tournament like that is way more prestigious than the World Hockey Championships in May, and I'm certainly not the only Finn who feels this way. Many best-on-best hockey loving people here in Finland even mockingly call the World Championships "the Skoda Cup" to show how little they think of it. By bringing in the gimmicks the NHL has downgraded the legitimacy of their tournament so much, that the difference in prestige to the WHC is nowhere near as big as it was in 1996 or 2004.

The idea that "you Europeans wouldn't like it anyway" is a really sloppy defense for the atrocious idiocy of bringing all-star teams into a supposedly international event. They could just as well bring in teams for left-handed people and people under six feet tall in 2020, and by your logic we as Europeans wouldn't be fit to criticize this idiocy, cause "we wouldn't like it anyway".

What has been amusing is to see a certain amount of revision concerning those past tournaments when comparing it to this years version from some European fans, all of a sudden they have suddenly become somewhat respectable vis a vis "world cup" 2016.

Good luck trying to find posts where I question the prestige of the World Cups of 1996 and 2004. To me the 2nd place in 2004 is the greatest achievement in Finnish hockey history along with the silver in Turin 2006. And this isn't me being "revisionist", I've felt this way ever since Finland made those back-to-back best-on-best finals. To me WHC golds just can't compare with best-on-best achievements. It's just such a shame that if Finland somehow manages to make it to the finals this time around, you can't put it up there with 2004 and 2006 in prestige, cause the asterisk (*the tournament featured two all-star teams along with six national teams, two of which were restricted by an age-limit in selecting their players) will always be there.
 
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I'll still watch it because it's hockey after a long break of not having real hockey, but I could not possibly care any less who wins. I honestly don't think the players really care either. They're going to be playing half assed because they don't want to get injured right before the season starts. It's not going to be an exciting event because the players won't care. Why would they? It's just an event created for the NHL to bring in more money, doesn't help them at all.

Well, I'm glad you'll be watching, cause you will find these statements ridiculous then.

Ryan Getzlaf: "We're going into a playoff-type atmosphere, so we've got to be ready to go," Getzlaf said. "We're going to have to ramp it up." Getzlaf already has been on the ice for more than a month preparing for the World Cup.
 
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Anyone with a brain knows that it's going to draw very little attention outside of Canada

I'd be willing to bet that the game between Finland and Sweden will draw at least 500,000 viewers here in Finland. The same goes for Finland-Russia. Not bad in a country of five million. Finland vs. North America won't have many viewers, cause it's 3 AM Finnish time.

A six-part documentary series about Finland's preparation to the tournament will start on Viasat Finland today. I know I'll be watching. The trailer is out already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXu1nyqx_UQ
 
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I'd be willing to bet that the game between Finland and Sweden will draw at least 500,000 viewers here in Finland. The same goes for Finland-Russia. Not bad in a country of five million. Finland vs. North America won't have many viewers, cause it's 3 AM Finnish time.

A six-part documentary series about Finland's preparation to the tournament will start on Viasat Finland today. I know I'll be watching. The trailer is out already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXu1nyqx_UQ
wow, that trailer seems pretty cool :nod:
 
I'd be willing to bet that the game between Finland and Sweden will draw at least 500,000 viewers here in Finland. The same goes for Finland-Russia. Not bad in a country of five million. Finland vs. North America won't have many viewers, cause it's 3 AM Finnish time.

A six-part documentary series about Finland's preparation to the tournament will start on Viasat Finland today. I know I'll be watching. The trailer is out already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXu1nyqx_UQ

I'm not particularly impressed by possibly 10% of Finland watching a supposed best on best match between rivals (WJC matches not even featuring Finland had better numbers), but I am impressed that they would make a mini series to hype their team in the tournament. Unfortunate that the effort is being put behind a joke tournament.
 
As long as they don't play Canada I'll be cheering for them.

Canada and the USA are neighbours and close with each other as nations. But no, I won't cheer as if it was Canada. That's just how I see it, Canada and America have our own cultures but I think we see each other as brothers and family in a way as well. Just my opinion.

I see the US as a friendly neighbour. I make fun of them and see Canada as a much better place to live but still ...

Well, I'm glad you'll be watching, cause you will find these statements ridiculous then.

Ryan Getzlaf: "We're going into a playoff-type atmosphere, so we've got to be ready to go," Getzlaf said. "We're going to have to ramp it up." Getzlaf already has been on the ice for more than a month preparing for the World Cup.

I have to laugh a little every time I see someone say the players don't care, they'll just be going through the motions etc., well maybe laugh a lot. :laugh:
 
I don't think so, I know so, cause I live in Europe. People who actively follow hockey here in Finland held the World Cups of 1996 and 2004 in very high regard. Many avid hockey fans here are even a bit elitist when it comes to these events. They think the traditional World Cup is way above the World Championships in prestige, and they despise the "stupid masses" who only really follow hockey for two and a half weeks in May when Finland fights for the WHC gold and don't understand how much more it would mean to win a real best-on-best international tournament. By turning the World Cup into a non-international event the NHL has turned many of these World Cup loving Finnish hockey fans against it.

I know people here in Finland who would never travel to the IIHF Worlds, cause it's considered such a hillbilly thing to do, but who were immediately interested when we started to plan our trip to Toronto this September. I myself decided I'm going when I first heard they were planning to bring back the World Cup (I think it was in 2014), and even though I absolutely hated the inclusion of the all-star teams, that wasn't enough to stop me. I've now booked hotel rooms in Toronto for eleven people.



That's a load of crap. I didn't badmouth the World Cup in 1996 or 2004, cause there was no reason to. I loved it, and I remember how excited I was to watch the finals between Canada and USA in the middle of the night in 1996 even though I had to go to school the next day (I think I might have missed the morning classes though). I won't be badmouthing the event in 2020, if it's a tournament for national teams, and I wouldn't be badmouthing this year's edition, if they'd just left the gimmicks out. I would love to see a best-on-best hockey tournament in Toronto for six or eight teams, where every player gets to represent their country. For me a tournament like that is way more prestigious than the World Hockey Championships in May, and I'm certainly not the only Finn who feels this way. Many best-on-best hockey loving people here in Finland even mockingly call the World Championships "the Skoda Cup" to show how little they think of it. By bringing in the gimmicks the NHL has downgraded the legitimacy of their tournament so much, that the difference in prestige to the WHC is nowhere near as big as it was in 1996 or 2004.

The idea that "you Europeans wouldn't like it anyway" is a really sloppy defense for the atrocious idiocy of bringing all-star teams into a supposedly international event. They could just as well bring in teams for left-handed people and people under six feet tall in 2020, and by your logic we as Europeans wouldn't be fit to criticize this idiocy, cause "we wouldn't like it anyway".



Good luck trying to find posts where I question the prestige of the World Cups of 1996 and 2004. To me the 2nd place in 2004 is the greatest achievement in Finnish hockey history along with the silver in Turin 2006. And this isn't me being "revisionist", I've felt this way ever since Finland made those back-to-back best-on-best finals. To me WHC golds just can't compare with best-on-best achievements. It's just such a shame that if Finland somehow manages to make it to the finals this time around, you can't put it up there with 2004 and 2006 in prestige, cause the asterisk (*the tournament featured two all-star teams along with six national teams, two of which were restricted by an age-limit in selecting their players) will always be there.

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Maybe YOU held them in high regard, but most European fans have not and do not.

It was and is an NHL run tournament held on NA rinks in NA and was thus considered illegitimate and held little interest outside basically Canada.

Maybe Finland was the exception but that is about it.

I get why you don't like this years edition of the tournament and agree with the reasons, just don't try to make this tournament out to be something in Europe that it never was.
 
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I'd be willing to bet that the game between Finland and Sweden will draw at least 500,000 viewers here in Finland. The same goes for Finland-Russia. Not bad in a country of five million. Finland vs. North America won't have many viewers, cause it's 3 AM Finnish time.

A six-part documentary series about Finland's preparation to the tournament will start on Viasat Finland today. I know I'll be watching. The trailer is out already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXu1nyqx_UQ

Thanks for giving us the heads up on this..........I am certainly going to watch this.
 
We value national team pride plenty, but here in Canada at least we have an 80 or so year old history with the national Hockey league.

It's the biggest game in town for us.

Regardless, it is all fine and well for you as some normal everyday guy in Vasteras or wherever to say the NHL should do this or that and make itself available to every whim of International hockey tournaments but I can assure you that your tune would quickly change if you were an owner of an NHL franchise with hundreds of millions of dollars of your own money invested in a team.

It's a big business with big money at stake. The NHL has to be somewhat accomodated by the IIHF.

Well they should be able to make one break in four years when they are able to cut off one season because of NHLPA. Thats not the case. Most people whose teams are operating with budget of 4 mil. Euros including youth categories, and whose teams must be sometimes donated by municipalities, have to laugh so much and find it quite bizzare to listen owners of most wealthy league "how hard is it and how they loose so much";) leave your bussiness in your private league. Even inmuch bigger business like Premier league they respect some crucial elements. Instead of it your league brings tourney like this. But sure when you have to watch your league setting up teams in desserts, holidays destinations instead of canadian cities, then I agree guy from Vesteras can not say anything either. Thx you bring the best from NHL to int stage.

Btw I hope you said the same to that fools from Nordiques nations who were travelling around the league. Greetings from Prague - Ottawa size city. Hope I can say smth here. But this is probably valid just for Omsk, Peterburg and CSKA fans whose teams can overpay NHL teams....
 
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Well they should be able to make one break in four years when they are able to cut off one season because of NHLPA. Thats not the case. Most people whose teams are operating with budget of 4 mil. Euros including youth categories, and whose teams must be sometimes donated by municipalities, have to laugh so much and find it quite bizzare to listen owners of most wealthy league "how hard is it and how they loose so much";) leave your bussiness in your private league. Even inmuch bigger business like Premier league they respect some crucial elements. Instead of it your league brings tourney like this. But sure when you have to watch your league setting up teams in desserts, holidays destinations instead of canadian cities, then I agree guy from Vesteras can not say anything either. Thx you bring the best from NHL to int stage.

Btw I hope you said the same to that fools from Nordiques nations who were travelling around the league. Greetings from Prague - Ottawa size city. Hope I can say smth here. But this is probably valid just for Omsk, Peterburg and CSKA fans whose teams can overpay NHL teams....

I agree with you that they should be able to make a break once every 4 years, I have no argument with you and other fans on that gripe.

I am not saying the NHL is innocent at all............they aren't.
 
A break every 4 years is doable and the NHL has already shown they're willing to do this in principle as recent Olympics have shown. Who knows, if the IOC hadn't arrogantly refused to cover expenses this might not even be a discussion.
 
I see the US as a friendly neighbour. I make fun of them and see Canada as a much better place to live but still ...

Exactly, plus we have better healthcare :). Still we share good neighbourly relations with the USA and I always love my travels there.
 
I'd be willing to bet that the game between Finland and Sweden will draw at least 500,000 viewers here in Finland. The same goes for Finland-Russia. Not bad in a country of five million. Finland vs. North America won't have many viewers, cause it's 3 AM Finnish time.

A six-part documentary series about Finland's preparation to the tournament will start on Viasat Finland today. I know I'll be watching. The trailer is out already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXu1nyqx_UQ

500 000? Are they on an open channel? I don't really believe a pay channel would get so many viewers for this.

I know there are some fans who really respected the previous world cups, but there are many traditional Finnish fans that don't like the NHL home advantage with the small rink and non-international rules and with permanent home crowds for Canada that is in any case a huge favourite. Many people think that the tournament is designed to get the win to either of the North American teams. The younger fans and junior players though tend to think differently and many really do worship the NHL.

Personally I think that these self named "real" fans are often rather ignorant of the great traditions of European and Finnish hockey and are sillily disparaging the WHC which everyone already knows is not really best-on-best hockey but still a greatly entertaining high level tournament that is very important for smaller hockey nations.

So, I would say that the public really is divided when it comes the WC - and this year's silly format doesn't help the situation. If we do well, there will be quite a bit of media interest and hype, but if we do not, it will be quickly forgotten (totally unlike ****** 2006 - can't write the name of that tournament, it's a taboo.)
 
I'd be willing to bet that the game between Finland and Sweden will draw at least 500,000 viewers here in Finland. The same goes for Finland-Russia. Not bad in a country of five million. Finland vs. North America won't have many viewers, cause it's 3 AM Finnish time.

A six-part documentary series about Finland's preparation to the tournament will start on Viasat Finland today. I know I'll be watching. The trailer is out already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXu1nyqx_UQ

Thanks for sharing that. I'll be sure to check it out.
 
Bad experience from small rink against the US in 2010, but also the best memories against the US in World Cup 2004 semifinal which is one of the best hockey games I've ever seen.
 
Personally I think that these self named "real" fans are often rather ignorant of the great traditions of European and Finnish hockey and are sillily disparaging the WHC which everyone already knows is not really best-on-best hockey but still a greatly entertaining high level tournament that is very important for smaller hockey nations.

I agree. Especially seeing how important it was for Hungary this year and seeing how much fun the Latvian fans have, that's what the hockey world is all about. Sharing our beautiful sport amongst northern neighbours.

The hockey played is generally at a very high level and entertaining. If the 2015 WHC Team Canada played at the Olympics in Sochi, that team would have won Gold as well. The atmosphere in Prague was awesome.

Even in Russia this year, the crowds were fantastic and we saw some great hockey. As long as we all know and agree it's not best on best, then I don't see why we shouldn't just enjoy it. It's a fun festive atmosphere and brings the hockey world together in celebration.
 
As long as we all know and agree it's not best on best, then I don't see why we shouldn't just enjoy it. It's a fun festive atmosphere and brings the hockey world together in celebration.

Indeed - I guess the biggest aggravating thing seems to be the name of the tournament which is admittedly rather misleading, as it naturally is not best-on-best. I would be quite fine if it were called something else, like IIHF Championship Tournament or something similar. It still would be a high level and very entertaining tournament with great traditions and a truly great and international atmosphere. I have to confess that I really like and respect it.
 
Indeed - I guess the biggest aggravating thing seems to be the name of the tournament which is admittedly rather misleading, as it naturally is not best-on-best. I would be quite fine if it were called something else, like IIHF Championship Tournament or something similar. It still would be a high level and very entertaining tournament with great traditions and a truly great and international atmosphere. I have to confess that I really like and respect it.

I love the tournament and really enjoy it.

I agree, I think it is the labelling "World Champion" that draws ire from most in North America. Results from that then go into the IIHFs formula to rank the hockey nations.

It's not a true World Championship tournament because many of the best players aren't there. With the spread of the internet and sharing of ideas amongst hockey fans on other sides of the world, I think hockey fans on both sides of the pond agree it's not best-on-best.

The atmosphere at the games are awesome. I enjoy seeing the European traditions (jumping, singing, whistling, etc.) and always enjoy hearing our anthem sung when we win. Even though not best-on-best, it deserves to be respected and enjoyed. This tournament means a lot to the smaller hockey nations.
 
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