WCF Gm#1 | KINGS#3 @ BLACKHAWKS#3 | Sunday, 5/18, Hawks win 3-1, on to game 2

[KingPuckChoo]

The games between the Hawks and Kings have been fairly close. The one disheartening thing about the matchup is the Kings' struggles to score/generate offense, although they had plenty of great opportunities to do that today.

It's a fairly even matchup in all areas, but I think if the Kings upped their physical game (which I thought they did today), they can exploit some weaknesses. Think of how the Coyotes got by Chicago. They really banged them up (thanks in part to the headhunter Torres) and also got to Crawford. The Kings need to do the same, without any cheap stuff of course.

Chicago just happens to have one of, if not the best, player in the world... tips it in their favor

and their top 4 D is the best Top 4 in the league

other than that...everything's equal...we have stronger depth down the middle and our goaltending SHOULD BE AND IS superior to Chicago's...but Quick needs to confirm that and show his elite side

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Well hey now, its Monday and we aren't down 2-0.

Thank God for small favors.

The main board thinks the Hawks have already won the cup and should be crowned the greatest team of all time

 

[Blackhawks1963]

Lets face it. The refs stunk in game 1. Brutal in fact. I'm not trying to say this to instigate in enemy territory, but the non-calls worked distinctly in the favor of the Kings. But all you ask from an officiating crew is to be consistent. Unfortunately they were anything but in the name of "letting them play." It is what it is...the disallowance of the 2nd goal was an awful call that has been criticized from every corner. This all said, the lousiness of the zebras didn't alter the ultimate outcome of the game.

Another thing, Quick IS an elite goalie. Right there with Lundquist. But good Chicago fans are getting sick and tired of the hockey nobodies crapping on Corey Crawford. Crow was a major reason why we won a Cup last year. And Crow is the singular biggest reason why we survived the St. Louis and Minnesota series. You guys can call Crawford a chump all you want...nobody suggests he is in the league of Quick. But last time I checked, Crawford has had the best of Los Angeles for a couple years while Quick can't come away with a W.

This will be a great series. Still say Hawks in 6. But the Kings are rock solid, and are respected by good Chicago fans. And the Blackhawks themselves. Two best teams in the Western Conference...no doubt about that.

 

[Jason Squirties]

thread is eerily similar to the ducks after their first game against us. that worries me.

 

[Ron*]

thread is eerily similar to the ducks after their first game against us. that worries me.

Don't worry. The Kings players won't take the Blackhawks lightly like some of these posters appear to be doing. I believe the Kings will be competitive. In reality, I'm hoping we can steal the next one in Chicago and then see what happens in Staples Center.

 

[Jason Squirties]

Lets face it. The refs stunk in game 1. Brutal in fact. I'm not trying to say this to instigate in enemy territory, but the non-calls worked distinctly in the favor of the Kings. But all you ask from an officiating crew is to be consistent. Unfortunately they were anything but in the name of "letting them play." It is what it is...the disallowance of the 2nd goal was an awful call that has been criticized from every corner. This all said, the lousiness of the zebras didn't alter the ultimate outcome of the game.

Another thing, Quick IS an elite goalie. Right there with Lundquist. But good Chicago fans are getting sick and tired of the hockey nobodies crapping on Corey Crawford. Crow was a major reason why we won a Cup last year. And Crow is the singular biggest reason why we survived the St. Louis and Minnesota series. You guys can call Crawford a chump all you want...nobody suggests he is in the league of Quick. But last time I checked, Crawford has had the best of Los Angeles for a couple years while Quick can't come away with a W.

This will be a great series. Still say Hawks in 6. But the Kings are rock solid, and are respected by good Chicago fans. And the Blackhawks themselves. Two best teams in the Western Conference...no doubt about that.

Quick was in a similar position almost all of his career up until earlier this year. I think the only reason he is considered now among the elite was the exposure he got in the Olympics this year. They are still both severely underrated when we factor in the east coast opinion but that's fine, even though Quick didn't play his best in the Olympics neither did the US team but it forced the east coast media to at least acknowledge him among the best. No one needs to care as long as we know.

I've been impressed with Crawford this year so it'll be an interesting battle to see how it plays out.

Both seem to be celebratory drunkards in their own right which I find very amusing.

 

[AlabamaKingsFan]

It wasn't so much the shove, but the timing of the shove.

As for the punches to the back of the head, facewashes, etc, all that goes both ways. Yeah, we take our share of them, but we also dish them out as well, so, that's a push imo.

I definitely don't think we've been the victims of bad officiating, that's for sure.

All I don't get is how the refs justify calling a little push and subsequent fluffy ass dive a penalty, but not rosival literally grabbing carter by the visor and yanking him around after a legit hockey play he was making on a loose uncovered puck...

 

[Bandit]

All I don't get is how the refs justify calling a little push and subsequent fluffy ass dive a penalty, but not rosival literally grabbing carter by the visor and yanking him around after a legit hockey play he was making on a loose uncovered puck...

Because reasons.

This is seriously the biggest problem in the NHL today. Total lack of consistency. You can watch any game and see 10 examples of punches and all kinds of ******** after the whistle. Then suddenly, for no apparent reason, there's a love tap and a guy gets a call, or coincidental calls. Who can be sure? It's totally random.

It sucks that we basically lost the game on lucky flubber bounce, hit multiple posts (especially the Toffolli breakaway, ouch), but if the Kings can recharge for game 2 and take it then I like our chances.

 

[AlabamaKingsFan]

Because reasons.

This is seriously the biggest problem in the NHL today. Total lack of consistency. You can watch any game and see 10 examples of punches and all kinds of ******** after the whistle. Then suddenly, for no apparent reason, there's a love tap and a guy gets a call, or coincidental calls. Who can be sure? It's totally random.

It sucks that we basically lost the game on lucky flubber bounce, hit multiple posts (especially the Toffolli breakaway, ouch), but if the Kings can recharge for game 2 and take it then I like our chances.

I believe if the refs just stay out of it, or atleast call the game both ways the kings will win this series.I don't think the toews line can contain the kgb line and if we punish kane consistently he will vanish and become a passenger. The kings either need to sell out to block point shots or else just keep your stick out of the way.its really frustrating the gwg went off a kings stick.

 

[HYORI 1963]

All I don't get is how the refs justify calling a little push and subsequent fluffy ass dive a penalty, but not rosival literally grabbing carter by the visor and yanking him around after a legit hockey play he was making on a loose uncovered puck...

Oh believe me, that's the kind of stuff that makes my blood boil. And the refs are standing RIGHT there, just watching Roszival violate Carter, who's trying to remain disciplined. And the thing is, it's tough to stay disciplined when refs are so inconsistent. However, as long as I've been a hockey fan, that's just how officiating has been.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Lets face it. The refs stunk in game 1. Brutal in fact. I'm not trying to say this to instigate in enemy territory, but the non-calls worked distinctly in the favor of the Kings. But all you ask from an officiating crew is to be consistent. Unfortunately they were anything but in the name of "letting them play." It is what it is...the disallowance of the 2nd goal was an awful call that has been criticized from every corner. This all said, the lousiness of the zebras didn't alter the ultimate outcome of the game.

Another thing, Quick IS an elite goalie. Right there with Lundquist. But good Chicago fans are getting sick and tired of the hockey nobodies crapping on Corey Crawford. Crow was a major reason why we won a Cup last year. And Crow is the singular biggest reason why we survived the St. Louis and Minnesota series. You guys can call Crawford a chump all you want...nobody suggests he is in the league of Quick. But last time I checked, Crawford has had the best of Los Angeles for a couple years while Quick can't come away with a W.

This will be a great series. Still say Hawks in 6. But the Kings are rock solid, and are respected by good Chicago fans. And the Blackhawks themselves. Two best teams in the Western Conference...no doubt about that.

Glad you signed up for an account to post on our board. We've all been clammoring for someone with your perspective.

The no goal call was the right call. The Kings have had goals disallowed for the same thing this year. Your guy ran into the goalie and it prevented the goalie from making a save. That's interference. Don't even try and say Voynov pushed him in. Toews was skating pretty fast and his momentum carried him. Voynov barely had his hand on Toews' ass.

It is shocking you would pick the Blackhawks to the win the series and I'm not sure what kind of merit this provides the thread.

Lastly, i saw your name quoted in another thread and I thought someone was f'ing with Black1963 by changing his name in quoted posts. :pillow:

 

[HYORI 1963]

Glad you signed up for an account to post on our board. We've all been clammoring for someone with your perspective.

The no goal call was the right call. The Kings have had goals disallowed for the same thing this year. Your guy ran into the goalie and it prevented the goalie from making a save. That's interference. Don't even try and say Voynov pushed him in. Toews was skating pretty fast and his momentum carried him. Voynov barely had his hand on Toews' ass.

Yes, and no. In the end, I do think justice was served. However, if you're going by the nhl rule book, since there was no penalty called on the ice at the time the goal was scored, and the goal was allowed at the time, the refs can't use the video to change the outcome, which they did. So, I think we were fortunate there.

 

[BigKing]

I had a huge problem with the call, mainly due to everything in front of the goalie being let go after said call. The whole point of calling that soft ass penalty on Martinez is to "get control of the game" as players on both sides were going to the net after the whistle, spraying snow etc... The call to be made there is no call at all; however, if you need to make a call, you call Bollig as well and then go to each bench and tell them that nothing will be tolerated.

Nope. A ******** call that had no bearing on how they called front of the net scrums the rest of the game. This is the WCFs and you call that? Embarassing.

Refs have no idea how to call scrums anymore. They shouldn't be calling anything but it is obvious word has come down from the league to clamp down on them. Problem is there is no consistency involving these plays so you get garbage like the snow shower called on Pearson in Game 6 against SJ, Marchand for a snow shower in Game 7 and now Martinez for a light shove IN RESPONSE to a shower. Bollig came in harder on Quick prior to that which led to Martinez stepping up when he usually wouldn't. It is obvious what Bollig is doing so the refs shouldn't reward him.

It was a terrible call. I have no problem with what Martinez did because he didn't really do anything except shove a guy who keeps screwing with Quick. This is the NHL not the NBA so I don't expect a roughing minor from a light shove that somehow sends a 230 pound man to the ice like a sack of potatoes. It was garbage and of course the horseshoe up their ass Hawks get a goal off of it.

As for the game, that's the best they've looked against Chicago in quite some time. I have a terrible feeling that this was their chance to steal one in Chicago and they blew it. Worried that the Toffoli miss will be our "7 seconds". They can not miss on so many great opportunities against a team that they generally don't get a lot of great chances against and one that also seems to score every time on theirs.

 

[LAKings88]

I don't care how good your team is, you don't have to be rude about it. Confidence is one thing, being smug and cocky is another. Many Hawks fans are cool tho and not all can be lumped together.

Aside from the first ten minutes, LA looked good. The goal breaks evened out. Kings couldn't bury their chances and that was the difference. Chicago shelled in the 3rd and that was that.

Next game will be huge. Series isn't won after one game.

 

[tsanuri]

Yes, and no. In the end, I do think justice was served. However, if you're going by the nhl rule book, since there was no penalty called on the ice at the time the goal was scored, and the goal was allowed at the time, the refs can't use the video to change the outcome, which they did. So, I think we were fortunate there.

Except that is not what happened.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/blog.htm?id=2165

 

[BigKing]

Hawks fans have every right to be dicks: we are to them what the Blues are to us.

They've won two Cups in four years and are something like 31-0 against the Kings the past few seasons.

If we were facing the Blues in this round, with home ice advantage, and just won a game that we got outplayed in...you bet your ass this board would be cocky.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Except that is not what happened.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/blog.htm?id=2165

I had heard it differently, but hey, I'm good with that.

Thanks!

 

[theMajor]

I definitely don't think we've been the victims of bad officiating, that's for sure.

i think its gone both ways to be honestly. that penalty on Amart was terrible, but i think that interference call on Toews was pretty terrible too. the officiating has been incredibly inconsistent...hopefully it gets better

 

[CowMix]

I still have nightmares of Toffoli hitting the post on that empty net. The bounces never go our way in day games.

 

[KingsFan7824]

the officiating has been incredibly inconsistent...hopefully it gets better

And then what will it do?

Sometimes refs make the right call, sometimes they make the wrong call, sometimes they'll be inconsistent about what's a penalty. That's just a reality that every team has to deal with. Like bad bounces, or injuries, or whatever else, it's part of the game. Players make mistakes, coaches make mistakes, GM's make mistakes, refs will make mistakes.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Yes, and no. In the end, I do think justice was served. However, if you're going by the nhl rule book, since there was no penalty called on the ice at the time the goal was scored, and the goal was allowed at the time, the refs can't use the video to change the outcome, which they did. So, I think we were fortunate there.

I didn't read the article that the other person linked you to but yeah, that isn't what happened. The refs huddled to decide on the goal interference call before calling Toronto to see if the puck went into the net BEFORE the goalie interference. I know the ref signaled goal because the puck crossed the line but he also hesitated in doing so as he looked to be processing something else (presumably the interference situation) at the same time. Either that, the back ref called the interference in the pre-Toronto call huddle. After reviewing to see that the puck went in after Toews barreled into Quick, it was disallowed. Quick had no chance to make the save as he was in the process of sniffing Toews' junk.

it was the right call all day long and this has happened to the Kings at least a few times this season. I was screaming at my TV before it was disallowed and like you, presumed that there was no way it was being turned and was shocked to hear the ref announce it. The ref didn't bother to explain to anyone the sequence of events. Later on, Milbury explained the sequence and said the GM's made a rule a while back that IF the refs decide there is goalie interference, they can then use video to make sure the puck did not enter the net before the goalie was interefered with.

The only way that wasn't goalie interference and no goal is if somebody actually believes Voynov is the one who shoved Toews into Quick. It is clear as day to me that is not what happened.

 

[Twin]

Really frustrating to see so many things go right for the Kings but just couldnt get that stupid puck in. I think that eventually got to their heads because they started slacking in the end of the 2nd and all throughout the 3rd which doesnt happen to the Kings.

 

[TheSentinel]

I didn't read the article that the other person linked you to but yeah, that isn't what happened. The refs huddled to decide on the goal interference call before calling Toronto to see if the puck went into the net BEFORE the goalie interference. I know the ref signaled goal because the puck crossed the line but he also hesitated in doing so as he looked to be processing something else (presumably the interference situation) at the same time. Either that, the back ref called the interference in the pre-Toronto call huddle. After reviewing to see that the puck went in after Toews barreled into Quick, it was disallowed. Quick had no chance to make the save as he was in the process of sniffing Toews' junk.

it was the right call all day long and this has happened to the Kings at least a few times this season. I was screaming at my TV before it was disallowed and like you, presumed that there was no way it was being turned and was shocked to hear the ref announce it. The ref didn't bother to explain to anyone the sequence of events. Later on, Milbury explained the sequence and said the GM's made a rule a while back that IF the refs decide there is goalie interference, they can then use video to make sure the puck did not enter the net before the goalie was interefered with.

The only way that wasn't goalie interference and no goal is if somebody actually believes Voynov is the one who shoved Toews into Quick. It is clear as day to me that is not what happened.

Heh, i had a similar reaction, i had it in my mind that we had a lot against us. I was like "ah :poop: " "a review? well okay it's gonna be a good goal but whateves" "Hoooly ****, it's no good"

 

[LAKings88]

Hawks fans have every right to be dicks: we are to them what the Blues are to us.

They've won two Cups in four years and are something like 31-0 against the Kings the past few seasons.

If we were facing the Blues in this round, with home ice advantage, and just won a game that we got outplayed in...you bet your ass this board would be cocky.

Disagree. You can be a dick but you don't have a right to it. Show some class and respect. It's not that hard.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Hawks fans have every right to be dicks: we are to them what the Blues are to us.

They've won two Cups in four years and are something like 31-0 against the Kings the past few seasons.

If we were facing the Blues in this round, with home ice advantage, and just won a game that we got outplayed in...you bet your ass this board would be cocky.

Totally agree. Chicago has the Kings' number until the Kings' prove otherwise. We know it. They know it.

As an aside, I've posted on other teams' boards and have gotten better treatment from their fans than some outsiders who have posted here have gotten. Just sayin'.