Series Talk: WCF: Dallas Stars vs Edmonton Oilers (EDM Leads 3-2)

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

Who y'all got?!
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Dallas Stars (1C) vs. Edmonton Oilers (2P)​

Western Conference Final

Game 1: Oilers at Stars -- May 23, 8:30 p.m. ET (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
Game 2: Oilers at Stars -- May 25, 8 p.m. ET (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
Game 3: Stars at Oilers -- May 27, 8:30 p.m. ET (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
Game 4: Stars at Oilers -- May 29, 8:30 p.m. ET (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
+ Game 5: Oilers at Stars -- May 31, TBD (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, TVAS)
+ Game 6: Stars at Oilers -- June 2, TBD (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, TVAS)
+ Game 7: Oilers at Stars -- June 4, TBD (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
+ if necessary ​

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[Senor Catface]

The username "Playoffsareoverrated" seems fitting

This face pops to mind.

 

[Troy McClure]

Do you like +/-? He's on a streak of dominating that old shitty stat.

Do you like modern shot or scoring chance based stats? Well, he's eating those up as well.

 

[ElGuapo]

And when it comes to advanced statistics, I would assume that they are made by people who know far more about hockey than either of us. And numbers don't lie.

Many of them don't know jack shit about hockey or sports in general. They're good at math and hang out in a nerdery with their calculators.

 

[lextune]

The username "Playoffsareoverrated" seems fitting

The jokes write themselves! Lol.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The username "Playoffsareoverrated" seems fitting

Do you like +/-? He's on a streak of dominating that old shitty stat.

Do you like modern shot or scoring chance based stats? Well, he's eating those up as well.

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Just totally committed to the bit

Hard to turn the bus around after it drives off the cliff I suppose

 

[Grub]

Expect a bounce back game from Mcdavid and Drai, they always do after a loss.

 

[Zerotonine]

On the line that says when a post was posted theres a bookmark button, right next to the post number.

Nice to hear from you instead of just getting laugh reacts


Oetter is leading every goalie remaining at 5v5, I think if Stars won it all there's easily an argument for him.

It's bookmarked lol

 

[Playoffsareoverrated]

Do you like +/-? He's on a streak of dominating that old shitty stat.

Do you like modern shot or scoring chance based stats? Well, he's eating those up as well.

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This is a perfect example of trolling, which is quite sad since we were trying to have a serious conversation. Let me explain why. Cherry-picking an exact sample size that fits your narrative is misleading and is basically trolling.

First of all, the Avalanche series was over when Nichushkin was out. So, basically, the stat-padding that Miro did in those last games does not have much impact on the outcome of the series or on this playoff run at all. Spoiler: the Stars would have won anyway!

Then we get to the real point of why I don't have Heiskanen as my Conn Smythe frontrunner. He was close to garbage against Vegas in the games they lost. In those three wins by Vegas, Heiskanen had a total of -6. I repeat, -6! Those were one- and two-goal games. No wonder you wanted to pick a sample size since game 2 of the 2nd round.

But I have to give credit where credit is due. At least you tried to provide some context and proper arguments to this discussion instead of just blindly praising Miro and living in the moment.

I'm a Kings fan that actually largely dislikes the Stars

Go figure I try to give one a compliment and the most vociferous 'well actually' guy that's supposedly a Stars fan and a Finn comes out of the woods to tell me why I shouldn't

so I'll just go continue f***ing myself I guess

We Finns tend to be honest and modest people. We just say how things really are and don't try to over hype or lie about our achievements. That's why I'm honest about Miro's current run.

 

[Elysian]

This is a perfect example of trolling, which is quite sad since we were trying to have a serious conversation. Let me explain why. Cherry-picking an exact sample size that fits your narrative is misleading and is basically trolling.

First of all, the Avalanche series was over when Nichushkin was out. So, basically, the stat-padding that Miro did in those last games does not have much impact on the outcome of the series or on this playoff run at all. Spoiler: the Stars would have won anyway!

Then we get to the real point of why I don't have Heiskanen as my Conn Smythe frontrunner. He was close to garbage against Vegas in the games they lost. In those three wins by Vegas, Heiskanen had a total of -6. I repeat, -6! Those were one- and two-goal games. No wonder you wanted to pick a sample size since game 2 of the 2nd round.

But I have to give credit where credit is due. At least you tried to provide some context and proper arguments to this discussion instead of just blindly praising Miro and living in the moment.


We Finns tend to be honest and modest people. We just say how things really are and don't try to over hype or lie about our achievements. That's why I'm honest about Miro's current run.

The NHL loves doing this for obscure "records"

 

[Playoffsareoverrated]

The NHL loves doing this for obscure "records"

Well, that's very true, and it's good PR and good for the sport. Because then you can sell the game to casuals.

 

[Spotty 2 Hotty]

Well, that's very true, and it's good PR and good for the sport. Because then you can sell the game to casuals.

Every post you make unravels another thread of my love for Finland that Jere Lehtinen helped build almost 30 years ago.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Well let see first if he come back at 100%

 

[BHD]

I find it amusing how the Oilers nonchalantly talk about their reliance on the PP.

 

[Frank Drebin]

When will TDL pickup Henrique return

 

[Coffey]

I find it amusing how the Oilers nonchalantly talk about their reliance on the PP.

Do we? Our PP has been shit the last 4 games and we’ve won 3 of them.

 

[Zerotonine]

When will TDL pickup Henrique return

I'll bet he is in tonight, only reason I assume he wasn't inserted last game was knoblach not wanting to make any changes being on 3 game win streak

 

[BHD]

Do we?

Well, I was referring to the team/organization. I haven't bothered to read comments from Oilers fans. Knoblauch, though, made it sound like their game plan is to score on the PP.

 

[Coffey]

Well, I was referring to the team/organization. I haven't bothered to read comments from Oilers fans. Knoblauch, though, made it sound like their game plan is to score on the PP.

Ah fair.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Well, I was referring to the team/organization. I haven't bothered to read comments from Oilers fans. Knoblauch, though, made it sound like their game plan is to score on the PP.

That's a reach.

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

That's just straight-up delusional. Or maybe you are just looking at points. By the way, it's really easy to get points when you are playing behind one of the most talented offenses in NHL's modern history and getting big minutes.

I'd recommend you watch some of Heiskanen's current advanced statistics. Yes, I have to admit that heavy minutes decrease numbers a little bit, but still, he has been straight-up average at best in advanced statistics. To name a few, such as Corsi % and the difference between his on-ice and off-ice expected goals %.

His overall impact when he is on the ice versus when he is not on the ice is very little compared to other real superstars in the game.

But yeah, the Stars have so many good players who are all producing, and their offense is especially stacked. But they don't have a real superstar, so Heiskanen might eventually win the Conn Smythe, and as a Finn, I would be pleased if he does. But I'm just being realistic, even though I'm a fan of his.

He is an anomaly when it comes to advanced stats in that hes very average but that's why they should be used as a complimentary tool for evaluating a player and not the sole measure.

If you watch the games you'll see he's been shutting down mcdavid since mcdavid entered the league. He might not be on the same level as makar and hughes offensively, but he's better than both defensively and 100% in the conversation for the conn smyth if the stars make it. Him, Benn and otter have been their best players so far this series.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

That's a reach.

Answers a question ASKED TO HIM about officiating in the most measured, safest way possible and all ive seen is that the Oilers are whining and their own gameplan is to only score on the PP.

Reach is downplaying whats going on generally.

 

[Czechboy]

If the Czechs can win a Skoda.. then the oil can upset the stars.lol.

Expecting a good game. Sounds like Henrique and Perry are back in.

 

[snag]

Well, I was referring to the team/organization. I haven't bothered to read comments from Oilers fans. Knoblauch, though, made it sound like their game plan is to score on the PP.

He was merely saying in a tight game it can make the difference. And it can. Especially for a team with a potent PP like that in 1 goal games. Plus, as someone else said....he was answering a question.

 

[Coffey]

Sounds like Henrique and Perry are back in.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

I hate the constant ref bitching. It truly is universal. But can you honestly say the calls have been fairly distributed?

I have no problem whatsoever for the non calls against Dallas except for one which I'll get into next. But those same non calls are not being afforded to Edmonton. But that happens and teams need to deal with it. Knows response was prob not in reference to just last game but most of the POs as well. Again, not bitching about not getting calls, more like not getting same calls.

One blatant penalty that was purposely ignored for obvious game management was the game 1 breakaway when Heiskanen slashed Holloway. That play is almost as automatic a penalty as over the glass ones.

They missed a pretty obvious elbow to Stankhoven in game 2. It didn't look intentional and it didn't affect play, so I can see why playoff refs would let it go.

From all the moaning, I guess some Oil fans would have preferred the refs call Stank for "being too short" or the even rarer "Impersonating a Pinata" call. Just a joke, and a reference to the Hatcher days, when our announcers often lamented that he got high hit and elbowing calls because he was "too tall."