WCF: Dallas Stars vs Edmonton Oilers (EDM Leads 3-2)

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

Who y'all got?!
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Dallas Stars (1C) vs. Edmonton Oilers (2P)​

Western Conference Final

Game 1: Oilers at Stars -- May 23, 8:30 p.m. ET (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
Game 2: Oilers at Stars -- May 25, 8 p.m. ET (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
Game 3: Stars at Oilers -- May 27, 8:30 p.m. ET (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
Game 4: Stars at Oilers -- May 29, 8:30 p.m. ET (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
+ Game 5: Oilers at Stars -- May 31, TBD (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, TVAS)
+ Game 6: Stars at Oilers -- June 2, TBD (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, TVAS)
+ Game 7: Oilers at Stars -- June 4, TBD (TNT, truTV, MAX, SN, CBC, TVAS)
+ if necessary ​

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[Dust]

Pretty weird to ignore how aggressive they were at the trade deadline because they only finished 8th and didn't have enough time to climb the standings or score more.

They absolutely tried to make the team better, but in the end Hertl and Mantha were invisible and/or bad for them in the playoffs. They were a shell of the team they were last year, even with the additions.

 

[Elysian]

They absolutely tried to make the team better, but in the end Hertl and Mantha were invisible and/or bad for them in the playoffs. They were a shell of the team they were last year, even with the additions.

Definitely couldn't have had anything to do with Dallas

 

[Three On Zero]

Definitely couldn't have had anything to do with Dallas

To most of the hockey world, what Dallas did was impressive. That’s not how most predicted the series to go

 

[Dust]

Definitely couldn't have had anything to do with Dallas

I'm not saying that it had nothing to do with Dallas, I'm just saying that people are holding them up on this undeserved pedestal for a team that limped into the playoffs in the 8th seed. That team this year was not close to the one that won it all last year.

 

[Three On Zero]

I'm not saying that it had nothing to do with Dallas, I'm just saying that people are holding them up on this undeserved pedestal for a team that limped into the playoffs in the 8th seed. That team this year was not close to the one that won it all last year.

Same sentiment can go for people who are trying to downplay Vegas

 

[Elysian]

I'm not saying that it had nothing to do with Dallas, I'm just saying that people are holding them up on this undeserved pedestal for a team that limped into the playoffs in the 8th seed. That team this year was not close to the one that won it all last year.

The defending Stanley Cup champion? This post can't be real

 

[Three On Zero]

The defending Stanley Cup champion? This post can't be real

Not to mention no one thought of Vegas as a true 8th seeded team.

Had Edmonton needed to get through Vegas and Colorado the chest pumping would be off the charts, instead they downplay the type of opponent Vegas was.

 

[Dust]

The defending Stanley Cup champion? This post can't be real

It's an unpopular opinion but i'll stand by it. Vegas was vastly over rated this season. Call it a Stanley Cup hangover or whatever you want, but they regressed significantly. They still have the playoff pedigree and aren't an easy out, but nowhere near the level of play from last year.

 

[Dynamite Time]

Dallas was relying on Oettinger the entire first period, without that performance it would be 2-0 Edmonton. But hey, Dallas "depth" is winning them series only 4 guys have scored for them (1 was an empty net) lol.

And only 4 guys have scored for Edmonton so…

 

[Zrhutch]

We deserve it baby

 

[Three On Zero]

Dallas was relying on Oettinger the entire first period, without that performance it would be 2-0 Edmonton. But hey, Dallas "depth" is winning them series only 4 guys have scored for them (1 was a empty net) lol.

Dallas also had numerous grade A chances in the first, could’ve been 2-2 at the end of the 1st.

This series is starting to play out like the previous where neither team really controlled or dictated the series

 

[JKG33]

Not to mention no one thought of Vegas as a true 8th seeded team.

Had Edmonton needed to get through Vegas and Colorado the chest pumping would be off the charts, instead they downplay the type of opponent Vegas was.

Had they needed to get thru Vegas and/or Colorado they would've been out in the 1st rd

Vegas losing on the last day of the season was awful for the NHL

 

[WATTAGE4451]

To most of the hockey world, what Dallas did was impressive. That’s not how most predicted the series to go

Dallas is a great team. One of the best this year. But people just overrated Vegas cuz they won the cup last year. They weren't that great of a team and barely limped into playoffs over blues and others even with additions

 

[Playoffsareoverrated]

Heiskanen is having one of those Hedman/Keith/Doughty-type Conn Smythe-level runs so far and in a series where everything else is up and down that consistent level of 'f*** you' can make a difference

this one looks like it's gonna go the distance but I don't think you can beat a team whose #1 dman is playing like that

That's just straight-up delusional. Or maybe you are just looking at points. By the way, it's really easy to get points when you are playing behind one of the most talented offenses in NHL's modern history and getting big minutes.

I'd recommend you watch some of Heiskanen's current advanced statistics. Yes, I have to admit that heavy minutes decrease numbers a little bit, but still, he has been straight-up average at best in advanced statistics. To name a few, such as Corsi % and the difference between his on-ice and off-ice expected goals %.

His overall impact when he is on the ice versus when he is not on the ice is very little compared to other real superstars in the game.

But yeah, the Stars have so many good players who are all producing, and their offense is especially stacked. But they don't have a real superstar, so Heiskanen might eventually win the Conn Smythe, and as a Finn, I would be pleased if he does. But I'm just being realistic, even though I'm a fan of his.

 

[Three On Zero]

Dallas is a great team. One of the best this year. But people just overrated Vegas cuz they won the cup last year. They weren't that great of a team and barely limped into playoffs over blues and others even with additions

No.

 

[McRegular]

Oh my god guys! I can’t believe my boy Connor has gotten this far! And with so many secondary assists as well against great teams like LA Kings and Vancouver Canucks!

2 more points than Evan freaking Bouchard the legend! Draisaitl scoring all those goals is so boring man.

 

[JKG33]

That's just straight-up delusional. Or maybe you are just looking at points. By the way, it's really easy to get points when you are playing behind one of the most talented offenses in NHL's modern history and getting big minutes.

I'd recommend you watch some of Heiskanen's current advanced statistics. Yes, I have to admit that heavy minutes decrease numbers a little bit, but still, he has been straight-up average at best in advanced statistics. To name a few, such as Corsi % and the difference between his on-ice and off-ice expected goals %.

His overall impact when he is on the ice versus when he is not on the ice is very little compared to other real superstars in the game.

But yeah, the Stars have so many good players who are all producing, and their offense is especially stacked. But they don't have a real superstar, so Heiskanen might eventually win the Conn Smythe, and as a Finn, I would be pleased if he does. But I'm just being realistic, even though I'm a fan of his.

If Heiskanen is as average as you say, how has Dallas made it thru the best 2 teams in the west? Because if Heiskanen is what you call average, then the rest of their D core is significantly worse.

Or maybe these advanced stats are all a bunch of bullshit, but some people still aren't ready for that conversation

 

[RegDunlop]

Had they needed to get thru Vegas and/or Colorado they would've been out in the 1st rd

Vegas losing on the last day of the season was awful for the NHL

Had Dallas gone through Van we would prob be flying back from Vegas now with a 2 game lead

 

[JKG33]

Had Dallas gone through Van we would prob be flying back from Vegas now with a 2 game lead

I'm confused, which team do you play for here?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's just straight-up delusional. Or maybe you are just looking at points. By the way, it's really easy to get points when you are playing behind one of the most talented offenses in NHL's modern history and getting big minutes.

I'd recommend you watch some of Heiskanen's current advanced statistics. Yes, I have to admit that heavy minutes decrease numbers a little bit, but still, he has been straight-up average at best in advanced statistics. To name a few, such as Corsi % and the difference between his on-ice and off-ice expected goals %.

His overall impact when he is on the ice versus when he is not on the ice is very little compared to other real superstars in the game.

But yeah, the Stars have so many good players who are all producing, and their offense is especially stacked. But they don't have a real superstar, so Heiskanen might eventually win the Conn Smythe, and as a Finn, I would be pleased if he does. But I'm just being realistic, even though I'm a fan of his.

Your whole schtick was Ristolainen > Heiskanen so you'll have to forgive me for going with my gut, eye, counting stats, usage, opponents, and deep-playoff-situation on this one rather than just a few advanced stats that have you up in arms. But have fun with that!

 

[Playoffsareoverrated]

If Heiskanen is as average as you say, how has Dallas made it thru the best 2 teams in the west? Because if Heiskanen is what you call average, then the rest of their D core is significantly worse.

Or maybe these advanced stats are all a bunch of bullshit, but some people still aren't ready for that conversation

Well, of course, he is better than the league average defenseman; don't get it twisted. But like I said before, "the Stars have so many good players who are all producing, and their offense is especially stacked". That's why they are most likely going to the finals.

Then Oettinger is playing at an outstanding level; without his miraculous first period, this series would probably be 2-0 Edmonton. A hockey team has over 20 players producing and making an impact, and you are talking like Miro is the sole reason why the Stars are great.

And when it comes to advanced statistics, I would assume that they are made by people who know far more about hockey than either of us. And numbers don't lie.

 

[McRegular]

Your whole schtick was Ristolainen > Heiskanen so you'll have to forgive me for going with my gut, eye, counting stats, usage, opponents, and deep-playoff-situation on this one rather than just a few advanced stats that have you up in arms. But have fun with that!

Ristolainen > Heiskanen….

What the hell?

 

[Playoffsareoverrated]

Your whole schtick was Ristolainen > Heiskanen so you'll have to forgive me for going with my gut, eye, counting stats, usage, opponents, and deep-playoff-situation on this one rather than just a few advanced stats that have you up in arms. But have fun with that!

It is very ironic that you cannot recognize obvious sarcasm. No wonder you think Heiskanen is far greater than he actually is. Or did I commit an ad hominem fallacy like you did when you had nothing to offer in this discussion besides referencing some 3-year-old sarcastic messages?

 

[RegDunlop]

If Heiskanen is as average as you say, how has Dallas made it thru the best 2 teams in the west? Because if Heiskanen is what you call average, then the rest of their D core is significantly worse.

Or maybe these advanced stats are all a bunch of bullshit, but some people still aren't ready for that conversation

Oiler fan so have to hate Dallas.
But how anyone can call Heiskanen average or even find many faults with him is absurd.

I'd trade our whole fcuking team except McDrai and a goalie for him. Prob still have some success with only those 3 players and a goalie on ice

 

[JKG33]

Well, of course, he is better than the league average defenseman; don't get it twisted. But like I said before, "the Stars have so many good players who are all producing, and their offense is especially stacked". That's why they are most likely going to the finals.

Then Oettinger is playing at an outstanding level; without his miraculous first period, this series would probably be 2-0 Edmonton. A hockey team has over 20 players producing and making an impact, and you are talking like Miro is the sole reason why the Stars are great.

And when it comes to advanced statistics, I would assume that they are made by people who know far more about hockey than either of us. And numbers don't lie.

Dallas has the deepest forward group in the league, that's their strength. But Heiskanen carries their blue line, they already only have 5 NHL caliber D as is.

Your Leafs avatar is really showing well with that "they got goalied" argument.

That's the crux of advanced stats. It's a bunch of spreadsheet jockeys who really do know less than the average idiot like you or I on a message board