AHL: WBS Penguins Thread: Youre a prospect until youre 30 and youll like it!

[DesertedPenguin]

There are times a GM may force a coach to call up a player but in the end it's the coach that knows what he needs and discusses it with the coach in the ahl to discuss who is ready and who can do what he needs. Even this Colin White recall, going by Sullivan talking about him, that's a choice he made.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/pittsburgh-penguins/latest-news/pittsburgh-penguins-giving-colin-white-new-opportunity

Also did you forget this nugget?

Tim Benz: Making sense of Mike Sullivan's reported AHL action plan for the Penguins' new GM

A Pittsburgh Penguins-related item we dropped into “First Call” last week has really stayed with me through the weekend. Tony Androckitis of Inside AHL Hockey posted these notes about the Penguins on both the NHL level in Pittsburgh and the AHL level in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton. • “There are big...

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This proves to everyone that FSG has a hard on for Sullivan and the power he holds is ridiculous. It's why I think even if FSG took over officially blah blah blah, they had say in a lot already and the narrative to keep pumping Sully to the media is not a shock for those of us that felt there was some bs going on with how high in regard they had this tool.

Sullivan is essentially the defacto GM of WBS and you can't tell me otherwise.

Tim Benz might have been the only Pens media bloke to ever call out Sully for his usage of players from wbs.

Shocking that an NHL coach would want call-ups to be prepared and capable of filling in. If that's your barometer, then every NHL coach is the de facto AHL GM.

I know Sullivan is your great big Boogeyman, but he's not in charge of the minors. He's not making call-ups. That's the purview of GMs in every NHL organization. That's just how the league works. All you need to do is listen to Dubas' biweekly radio show/TV show to see when he explains why guys have been called up or sent down.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Shocking that an NHL coach would want call-ups to be prepared and capable of filling in. If that's your barometer, then every NHL coach is the de facto AHL GM.

I know Sullivan is your great big Boogeyman, but he's not in charge of the minors. He's not making call-ups. That's the purview of GMs in every NHL organization. That's just how the league works. All you need to do is listen to Dubas' biweekly radio show/TV show to see when he explains why guys have been called up or sent down.

Literally present you an article that shows how much say Sullivan has and then you say that shit. For someone that supposedly isn't a Sullivan fan, you sure sound like one.

Benz also calls out the shit I've been calling out for a while. I don't think it was just FSG that was high on Sullivan. It was Mario & Co as well. It was mentioned before that whomever Sullivan sees as the next man up after speaking to JD, they'd make that call based on cap limitations. Sullivan has a f*** ton more say than any of us want to admit to even when the info is right there slapping you silly in the face.

 

[McGroarty2]

He got tagged in that fight but I don’t think Garrett Wilson ever returned to the game.

Garrett Wilson can throw. He beat Tom Wilson in a fight I believe, maybe during Juniors if not NHL.

 

[wej20]

He got tagged in that fight but I don’t think Garrett Wilson ever returned to the game.

If Wilson was still with the Pens he'd be getting a regular shift on the 4th line.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Call up the Poos! (yes, I'm aware you've gotta sign JP to an NHL contract first)

Also, tonight's game on AHLTV is free if anyone cares.

Johnstone's goal last night was sick:

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Literally present you an article that shows how much say Sullivan has and then you say that shit. For someone that supposedly isn't a Sullivan fan, you sure sound like one.

Benz also calls out the shit I've been calling out for a while. I don't think it was just FSG that was high on Sullivan. It was Mario & Co as well. It was mentioned before that whomever Sullivan sees as the next man up after speaking to JD, they'd make that call based on cap limitations. Sullivan has a f*** ton more say than any of us want to admit to even when the info is right there slapping you silly in the face.

The White article says nothing about his actual power, and the Benz column that includes Tony Androckitis' report doesn't actually show Sullivan has power to make recalls. He REQUESTED the new GM have stronger management of WBS and FSG reportedly agreed. Of course, by hiring Dubas, they got someone who puts a lot of focus on the AHL squad as part of his overall management. He did the same in Toronto.

Mike Sullivan does not have the authority to recall any player from WBS. Full stop.

He can ask. He can try to influence. He can intimidate. But the actual power lies with the GM. That is a fact that holds true for every organization in the NHL.

 

[The Old Master]

I know Sullivan is your great big Boogeyman, but he's not in charge of the minors. He's not making call-ups. That's the purview of GMs in every NHL organization. That's just how the league works. All you need to do is listen to Dubas' biweekly radio show/TV show to see when he explains why guys have been called up or sent down.

while that's true, any gm that isn't talking to the coach long and hard before making a call up is about to fire the coach, the gm's job is to get him the players he thinks can do the job he wants done. (if possible)

 

[DesertedPenguin]

while that's true, any gm that isn't talking to the coach long and hard before making a call up is about to fire the coach, the gm's job is to get him the players he thinks can do the job he wants done. (if possible)

And I've never said at any point that there isn't a conversation. Of course there is.

But if the coach wants a worthless plug and the GM strongly disagrees, the GM is the one who can make the final call.

 

[Darren McCord]

He can ask. He can try to influence. He can intimidate. But the actual power lies with the GM. That is a fact that holds true for every organization in the NHL.

And a GM will do there best to provide a player the coach ask for. Literally everyone of Dubas off season moves were to appease sullivan.

Sullivan wanted Chychrun - Dubas got him Karlsson
Sulivan wanted Defense and PK bottom 6. - Dubas got him Nieto, Eller and Accairi

Dubas has done everything based on what the coach wants. You think that would change for call ups?

You are out to lunch if you think Dubas just gives Sullivan the guy he wants. I would argue Hextall was more in opposition to Sully than Dubas is.

And I've never said at any point that there isn't a conversation. Of course there is.

But if the coach wants a worthless plug and the GM strongly disagrees, the GM is the one who can make the final call.

No GM is going to give a coach a player he doesn't want. That would be terrible team management.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

And a GM will do there best to provide a player the coach ask for. Literally everyone of Dubas off season moves were to appease sullivan.

Sullivan wanted Chychrun - Dubas got him Karlsson
Sulivan wanted Defense and PK bottom 6. - Dubas got him Nieto, Eller and Accairi

Dubas has done everything based on what the coach wants. You think that would change for call ups?

You are out to lunch if you think Dubas just gives Sullivan the guy he wants. I would argue Hextall was more in opposition to Sully than Dubas is.



No GM is going to give a coach a player he doesn't want. That would be terrible team management.

Jim Rutherford traded assets for Ryan Reaves because that's who he wanted. Sullivan played him 5 minutes per game before he was traded. So don't give me that BS that no GM is going to acquire a player the coach doesn't want.

Dubas was pursuing Karlsson while he was still with Toronto. He traded for Acciari before the deadline last year. The bottom six sucked last year and was a sieve defensively, of course he was going to add more responsible players.

None of those acquisitions had anything to do with the coach and everything to do with the perceived weaknesses of this team.

 

[The Old Master]

Jim Rutherford traded assets for Ryan Reaves because that's who he wanted. Sullivan played him 5 minutes per game before he was traded. So don't give me that BS that no GM is going to acquire a player the coach doesn't want.

None of those acquisitions had anything to do with the coach and everything to do with the perceived weaknesses of this team.

and because he didn't talk to the coach first we got to see what happened.

 

[Darren McCord]

Sullivan played him 5 minutes per game before he was traded. So don't give me that BS that no GM is going to acquire a player the coach doesn't want.

Ok sure but doesn’t that just prove what everyone is saying now?

White didn’t deserve to be called up. Yet he got second line minutes pretty fast.

Harkins is awful but gets consistent ice time.

Shea is awful too but consistently gets the nod over Smith who leads wbs in pts. While the pens are like 27th in scoring.

These guys are getting ice time because Sullivan is getting who he wants.

Puustinen is the only guy who got the nod that Sullivan probably hates having around.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Poulin is literally scoring his way into forcing a call up yet still to get a look because why again?

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Ok sure but doesn’t that just prove what everyone is saying now?

White didn’t deserve to be called up. Yet he got second line minutes pretty fast.

Harkins is awful but gets consistent ice time.

Shea is awful too but consistently gets the nod over Smith who leads wbs in pts. While the pens are like 27th in scoring.

These guys are getting ice time because Sullivan is getting who he wants.

Puustinen is the only guy who got the nod that Sullivan probably hates having around.

White was playing well in WBS. He had the same points as Puustinen while playing in all situations.

If Reilly Smith wasn't hurt and Rakell was t sucking, White likely wouldn't be in the top six. And he actually only played 7 minutes last night.

Ty Smith's offense isn't what's holding him back. It's everything else. This is three front offices that have either been willing to cast him off or bury him in WBS.

Finally, the Pens have had the most turnover in the bottom six. The second they needed top six help, Puustinen got the call.

It's about fit and need, not who has the most points. That's roster management 101.

Poulin is literally scoring his way into forcing a call up yet still to get a look because why again?

He will get called up after the all-star break. He's played 40 total professional games over the last two seasons. Being patient with him was a good idea.

The Pens are off for 10 days after tonight's game. Poulin and possibly Puljujarvi will be joining the team after the break is over.

 

[Jacob]

I hadn’t noticed Colin White in the AHL. I think he’s up because of his experience rather than his AHL play. Which is fine I guess, that’s a factor.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I hadn’t noticed Colin White in the AHL. I think he’s up because of his experience rather than his AHL play. Which is fine I guess, that’s a factor.

He can play all situations and all forward spots, so that certainly helps his cause.

 

[The Old Master]

White was playing well in WBS. He had the same points as Puustinen while playing in all situations.

If Reilly Smith wasn't hurt and Rakell was t sucking, White likely wouldn't be in the top six. And he actually only played 7 minutes last night.

Ty Smith's offense isn't what's holding him back. It's everything else. This is three front offices that have either been willing to cast him off or bury him in WBS.

Finally, the Pens have had the most turnover in the bottom six. The second they needed top six help, Puustinen got the call.

It's about fit and need, not who has the most points. That's roster management 101.


He will get called up after the all-star break. He's played 40 total professional games over the last two seasons. Being patient with him was a good idea.

The Pens are off for 10 days after tonight's game. Poulin and possibly Puljujarvi will be joining the team after the break is over.hange

it's also a good time for a coaching change. love ya sully .. that's if one was thinking about a coaching change.

 

[Jacob]

I think White would be a good call up if you need a 13th forward on a long western road trip because a Poulin or Gruden won’t get much out of not playing or only playing low minutes even if they do get in. Or if you’re a team like the Panthers that has a bunch of high-strung guys flying around making an impact but taking risks (like last night), you can plug a safe-but-unspectacular guy in and not miss a beat. But we need a little more adrenaline and youthful naivety or enthusiasm in the lineup so I’d have gone a different direction.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I think White would be a good call up if you need a 13th forward on a long western road trip because a Poulin or Gruden won’t get much out of not playing or only playing low minutes even if they do get in. Or if you’re a team like the Panthers that has a bunch of high-strung guys flying around making an impact but taking risks (like last night), you can plug a safe-but-unspectacular guy in and not miss a beat. But we need a little more adrenaline and youthful naivety or enthusiasm in the lineup so I’d have gone a different direction.

Poulin and Puljujarvi should play ahead of White and Harkins (Gruden is hurt). I'm not arguing otherwise.

But neither was going to get called up/signed just two games or so before a 10 day break.

They'll keep playing in WBS while the Pens are off the next 10 days. Then they should both be up.

People aren't paying attention to cap, roster, and overall player management.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

 

[Honour Over Glory]

while that's true, any gm that isn't talking to the coach long and hard before making a call up is about to fire the coach, the gm's job is to get him the players he thinks can do the job he wants done. (if possible)

Imagine being so f***ing ignorant to think a GM just calls up blokes but then will say "I am just here to make sure my coach has all the tools to win, by the way I am going to call up rando's cuz why not broski, it's fun for me to see if this shit works when I call up no hands White or zero IQ Harks."

The Yohe article cracks me up the most from last year where he essentially tries not to call out Sullivan but then does and then doubled back to make sure he didn't call him out to avoid making the Pens mad. Lol

 

[The Old Master]

Imagine being so f***ing ignorant to think a GM just calls up blokes but then will say "I am just here to make sure my coach has all the tools to win, by the way I am going to call up rando's cuz why not broski, it's fun for me to see if this shit works when I call up no hands White or zero IQ Harks."

to be fair....he was referring to jr

 

[Honour Over Glory]

He can play all situations and all forward spots, so that certainly helps his cause.

Then his ass should be centering the 4th line to bench Carter or Harkins. Not be promoted up to the f***ing second line. But damn that GM forcing this I guess.

to be fair....he was referring to jr

Who was?

 

[The Old Master]

Who was?

the guy i was answering.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

the guy i was answering.

Not that I am trying to defend JR, his only move where he didn't listen to the coach but the coach's idiotic line up decisions made him move a player was the Hagelin one.

I think Sullivan gets so many excuses of being done wrong by not getting his type of players yet we see the types he has prioritized and they're exactly the trash they get for him. If anything a GM might need to actually be more in control. But even that Benz article, an NHL exec also stated Sullivan has a ton of trust from FSG and this was before Dubas was hired, Dubas had just echoed the brainwashed shit for Sullivan the rest did.

Also that bloke has a hard on of hate towards Puustinen. Imagine wanting to see Puljujaarvi be called up for the spot we should see Puustinen in and there's proof of Puustinen showing chemistry and has produced there but the coach doesn't want to do it.

Poulin also not being up yet is ridiculous, a team that needs an injection of youth and cheap talent would rather use nhl rejects because they have almost 300 games and in a Panthers finals run had 2 assists in f***ing 22 games....lol