Was Canada's first goal against Finland good or not?

[bobber]

They did as has already been mentioned. The result won't change but they'll discuss the matter in today's conference as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the ref was pulled from officiating more important games, if not altogether from the tournament.

He should be when you look at the diving the Fins where not getting called on. You should never try to cheapen a game by diving and in my opinion the Fins did this at least four times and also dropping your stick on a little tap to gain a PP is no better.

 

[JackSlater]

I don't think so. The results of the game are final. Canada won without diving and played a decent first game. They had there let downs against another skilled squad but came out on the winning end. No amount of talking about it will change the out come. Personally I think Canada was the better of the two teams in this game overall. Both teams had sloppy moments.

There's no shame in admitting that a goal call seems to have gone the wrong way to the benefit of Canada. The result of the game won't change and whichever team you think was better won't change.

I am very surprised (not really I guess) by the whining about a goal call in the first period of the first game. No team was eliminated as a result of that goal. If I was on Finland I would use that goal and the subsequent loss as motivation going forward.

 

[SotasicA]

Yeah penalty for team Canada should have been obvious. Not a goal though

Penalty for what?

 

[Zybalto]

Penalty for what?

Exactly.....a poll for that goal would be far more entertaining than this group of people nodding in agreement.

 

[bobber]

There's no shame in admitting that a goal call seems to have gone the wrong way to the benefit of Canada. The result of the game won't change and whichever team you think was better won't change.

I am very surprised (not really I guess) by the whining about a goal call in the first period of the first game. No team was eliminated as a result of that goal. If I was on Finland I would use that goal and the subsequent loss as motivation going forward.

Jack you assumption of the whining is correct. The result of the game will not change. The goal was a strange one to analyse for anyone but for some reason they said it was good. Sometimes you get lucky and a call goes your way. This tournament is a grind to win most years for any team. As a Canadian we always think we should win Gold but these other nations have all improved there hockey programs. This is a great thing for hockey world wide.

 

[Saekk]

He should be when you look at the diving the Fins where not getting called on. You should never try to cheapen a game by diving and in my opinion the Fins did this at least four times and also dropping your stick on a little tap to gain a PP is no better.

How dare the referees call penalties to the young, fair and brave canadian kids.
Don't they know hockey is their sport?

 

[bobber]

How dare the referees call penalties to the young, fair and brave canadian kids.
Don't they know hockey is their sport?

That's all you got! Watching the Fins dive reminded me of why I don't play poker in the jungle. Too many "cheetahs".

 

[McCullogh]

Was mad at the time, but it was the 1st game and now have to beat the rest, don't want to face Sweden in the elimination round.

Think that is the best time to face us. We have a way of being at our worst when it matters the most.

And of course that shouldnt have been a goal.

 

[CrashBartley]

No, to me, the replay clearly shows the net being knocked off by Katchouk and the puck still not over the line. In my best Wes McCauley voice, "No goal, you can't do that!"

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

I think it's pretty obvious from attendances that even though it's called the WJC, this tournament is really the CJC, the Canadian World Championship. The tournament used to be held in Canada every 4-5 years, which was bad enough, but it now takes lace on Canadian soil almost every other year. That's ridiculous.

It's not "rigged" but there IS enormous pressure not to displease Hockey Canada and also, to have the continued interest of Canadian fans and Canadian networks in the tournament.

As such, refereeing has been increasingly softer on Canadians in the last decade or so. But this grotesque call could really be the tipping point because it's so obvious, even to the blindest of Canadians, that this goal wasn't good.

 

[jj cale]

The game is over.

Canada won 4-2 and were the better team by a small margin, time to move on.

 

[Zybalto]

I think it's pretty obvious from attendances that even though it's called the WJC, this tournament is really the CJC, the Canadian World Championship. The tournament used to be held in Canada every 4-5 years, which was bad enough, but it now takes lace on Canadian soil almost every other year. That's ridiculous.

It's not "rigged" but there IS enormous pressure not to displease Hockey Canada and also, to have the continued interest of Canadian fans and Canadian networks in the tournament.

As such, refereeing has been increasingly softer on Canadians in the last decade or so. But this grotesque call could really be the tipping point because it's so obvious, even to the blindest of Canadians, that this goal wasn't good.

Having watched almost every game of every year, it's the Canadians who get called for the most penalties including some real mystery ones as they try to adapt to the stricter IIHF rules and less competent officiating. I have never seen any sort of bias from officials towards Canada, only incompetence that affects all teams and usually more physical teams as you get a ton of calls when a player goes down, regardless of whether or not there was an infraction on the play.

If there is a conspiracy afoot, they are doing an awful job.

 

[bobber]

I think it's pretty obvious from attendances that even though it's called the WJC, this tournament is really the CJC, the Canadian World Championship. The tournament used to be held in Canada every 4-5 years, which was bad enough, but it now takes lace on Canadian soil almost every other year. That's ridiculous.

It's not "rigged" but there IS enormous pressure not to displease Hockey Canada and also, to have the continued interest of Canadian fans and Canadian networks in the tournament.

As such, refereeing has been increasingly softer on Canadians in the last decade or so. But this grotesque call could really be the tipping point because it's so obvious, even to the blindest of Canadians, that this goal wasn't good.

Vlad I guess that's why we win gold every year. I think your whole post holds no water. Canada struggles most of the time now to medal. Haven't won gold in 8 years. Where does the pressure come from to please Hockey Canada? That in its self is a ridiculous unfounded statement.

 

[Jussi]

That's all you got! Watching the Fins dive reminded me of why I don't play poker in the jungle. Too many "cheetahs".

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I honestly can't see how they determined that was a good goal. I have watched this tournament for longer than most people on here have been alive. Usually Canada gets the short end of the stick on a lot of calls. This was not one of them. Finland got hosed.

 

[bobber]

Jussi that is finny. Where does that symbol come from? Just out of interest.

 

[Prntscrn]

He should be when you look at the diving the Fins where not getting called on. You should never try to cheapen a game by diving and in my opinion the Fins did this at least four times and also dropping your stick on a little tap to gain a PP is no better.

What's you're opinion about Canadas diving against Sweden in last years semi?

 

[Jussi]

Jussi that is finny. Where does that symbol come from? Just out of interest.

Google images, I searched for "fins" instead of correcting you to use the proper word "Finns" because I'm a dick.

 

[bobber]

What's you're opinion about Canadas diving against Sweden in last years semi?

Never happened. In Canada we play hockey standing up on our skates. Sweden taught the Fins how to dive did they not. We ever medal in diving at the Olympics either

 

[bobber]

Google images, I searched for "fins" instead of correcting you to use the proper word "Finns" because I'm a dick.

Sorry Jussi I will use the proper pronunciation "Finns". Thanks for the correction. Only fish have fins. Dick Jussi. Really?

 

[tmg]

It's not "rigged" but there IS enormous pressure not to displease Hockey Canada and also, to have the continued interest of Canadian fans and Canadian networks in the tournament.

As such, refereeing has been increasingly softer on Canadians in the last decade or so. But this grotesque call could really be the tipping point because it's so obvious, even to the blindest of Canadians, that this goal wasn't good.

This call was awful, but this whole biased reffing / conspiracy theory angle is bunk. If the reverse vampire illuminati wanted what was 'best for Canada', it wouldn't be by tipping a roundrobin game. Unless anyone actually believes that that goal saved Canada from going 0-5 and missing the playoff round... ultimately it's meaningless. Broadcasters actually would likely rather Canada loses a game or two in the roundrobin so they fall into the 3-4 seed and play as many as three playoff games against marquee viewer-drawing opposition than be gifted a 1-seed and a first round game against SUI/BLR that nobody will watch.

Sometimes bad calls happen out of sheer monumental incompetence, and not puppet masters pulling strings. There will likely be a call just as egregious against Canada some time this tournament. And of course the tinfoil hatters will say "This is the conspiracy plan covering their tracks and making a smokescreen for their bias", while the rational ones will be "Yep, officials still incompetent."

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Brutal call.

No, to me, the replay clearly shows the net being knocked off by Katchouk and the puck still not over the line. In my best Wes McCauley voice, "No goal, you can't do that!"

[[rimshot]]

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Where does the pressure come from to please Hockey Canada? That in its self is a ridiculous unfounded statement.

Did you read my post? I just explained why.

This tournament attracts a level of interest in Canada that simply dwarfs every other country in the world. Do you understand the financial implications of that? The money from crowds and networks is in Canada to such a disproportionate level compared to elsewhere that they are now holding the tournament every other year in this country. Here's where it's taking place lately.

2009 Canada
2010 Canada
2011 USA
2012 Canada
2013 Russia
2014 Sweden
2015 Canada
2016 Finland
2017 Canada
2018 USA
2019 Canada
2020 Czech Republic
2021 Canada

Does that look like an international tournament? Of course,not. It's a Canadian tournament. The money is here.

People tend to underestimate the financial implications of amateur sports, as if there wasn't money involved because the players don't earn huge salaries but the fact is there is often a greater level of corruption, all the way to the Olympics. The IIHF is a big business. Its biggest customers are Hockey Canada, the Canadian networks and the Canadian crowds. If the level of interest dropped here, this tournament wouldn't make any money. That's how bad it is elsewhere. It's on everyone's minds at the IIHF.

 

[vivalavili]

No goal, and it really killed any drive Finland was going to have in the first period. The better team won and its pointless to keep talking about it. Refs and IIHF might just well be corrupted but the phrase "Innocent until proven guilty" goes.

 

[jbobell98]

I love how all these people are complaining about this goal lmao. Finland is lucky that such a rule is even in place that discredits goals that would have gone in regardless and where the net coming off has zero effect on the play. Canada is lucky that the rule wasnt enforced. The NHL got it right when they altered the rule a few years ago. Canada was fully deserving of the goal Finland is just mad that a a clearly outdated and wrongly written rule wasn't enforced to the book.