Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

The season he came back the Wings had a .451 winning percentage. His first year of management they hit rock bottom, but when he joined at the end of 18-19 the Wings were in the same position they are now, really bad. Detroit still lacks top end talent. Larkin was never the guy you could build an offense around and now he’s going to be 30 and has very little prime ahead of him. Raymond is a very good player but isn’t a top tier guy in a league where 40 other players are at or above PPG. Seider could be a Norris candidate but could also just be a very good top pairing d man. Ed could be the next Makar or he could be a second pairing offensive d man. And Detroit has a lot of future NHLers in the farm but no one that is likely to be a star player.

when he took over as gm, he had recent 1st, 2nd, and 3rd overall draft picks already on the team. his first year as gm the team regressed from 112 to only 90 points, then from 90 to 82, before bottoming out in his third year with only 48 points in 82 games. he was gifted a generational defenceman despite losing the lottery that year. the following year his team lost in the first round, second round the following year, second round the next, second round the third, before finally winning the stanley cup in his 8th year as gm. that year he took home the jim gregory award as the general manager of the year

his name is joe sakic, and i don't recall anyone ever calling him a failure, incompetent, or calling for him to be fired

 

[SirloinUB]

when he took over as gm, he had recent 1st, 2nd, and 3rd overall draft picks already on the team. his first year as gm the team regressed from 112 to only 90 points, then from 90 to 82, before bottoming out in his third year with only 48 points in 82 games. he was gifted a generational defenceman despite losing the lottery that year. the following year his team lost in the first round, second round the following year, second round the next, second round the third, before finally winning the stanley cup in his 8th year as gm. that year he took home the jim gregory award as the general manager of the year

his name is joe sakic, and i don't recall anyone ever calling him a failure, incompetent, or calling for him to be fired

Not to takeaway from anything you are saying but Joe Sakic took a lot of heat for the Duchene saga that went on for like a year.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Not to takeaway from anything you are saying but Joe Sakic took a lot of heat for the Duchene saga that went on for like a year.

sure, but he was celebrated after he exercised the appropriate amount of PATIENCE and walked away with a haul

 

[ShelbyZ]

his name is joe sakic, and i don't recall anyone ever calling him a failure, incompetent, or calling for him to be fired

You must not have been on this board when the Avs hit rock bottom in that 48pt season... I clearly remember some Avs fans contemplating getting the pitchforks out and threads being made comparing him to Benning/Chiarelli/etc.

By that point, aside from the Duchene drama, a lot of the heat at that point was similar to what Yzerman is currently facing. Wasted cap on signings that were quickly seen as overpayment (Iginla, Soderberg, Erik Johnson extension, etc.) and trades that either went sour right after being made or where it looked like Sakic got handily fleeced.

To Sakic's credit, he was able to clean up the cap mess and turn it around. I sure hope Yzerman has a Makar-like pick and can get some gems like Nichushkin and Toews in the near future.

 

[Retire91]

we are in this part of the rebuild

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

i clearly remember some Avs fans contemplating getting the pitchforks out and threads being made comparing him to Benning/Chiarelli/etc.

and what can we conclude from this information?

 

[Air Budd Dwyer]

and what can we conclude from this information?

That most fans are shortsighted and don’t really understand how rebuilding through the draft takes more than 3 years?

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

That most fans are shortsighted and don’t really understand how rebuilding through the draft takes more than 3 years?

and that even rebuilds with award winning gm's and extreme draft luck can take 8 years+

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

and that even rebuilds with award winning gm's and extreme draft luck can take 8 years+

When do we trade Dylan Larkin and get the hockey equivalent of Jared Goff?

 

[TheClap]

When do we trade Dylan Larkin and get the hockey equivalent of Jared Goff?

Why does it seem more likely Yzerman would trade Dylan Larkin and 2 firsts for the equivalent of Matt Stafford?

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

When do we trade Dylan Larkin and get the hockey equivalent of Jared Goff?

 

[Dotter]

The length that people go to defend this trade is crazy. If our GM wasn't named Yzerman he would be catching so much shit right now.

I don't think people are defending Yzerman as much as brining basic common sense to the discussion. Something happened behind the scenes that you will never know about. He was even healthied by SJS, and he gave his version of the story he decided to give.

Larkin said measured were taken and dealt with over the offseason. Where there's smoke there's fire. In this case it's an inferno!

Or you can stay in denial and be mad about clouds in the sky.

My BS radar has always said something behind the scenes happened with Walman, something we'll never know. Player on player crime with girls, etc. Coaches didn't like him personally, something.

There's just no way(imo) Yzerman thought it was a good idea to trade for him, resign him, then trade him away with a pick. It's never made sense outside of something happened internally, likely, not even involving Yzerman at all he just had to choose sides.

100% agree.

 

[PullHard]

I didn't check his numbers this season, I believe he (and Hughes) has been injured.
However he had great numbers last season and was a top 10 dman in the league.
Anyhow all 3 put very good and even great numbers.

What does it mean?

Under what metric or criteria was Hronek a top 10D last year?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Heh, Hronek top 10.

 

[14ari13]

Under what metric or criteria was Hronek a top 10D last year?

What a stupid and childish response.
I don't follow any of the 3 defenders I mentioned, but I have checked the stats and he was top 10 in points.
Suter and Namestnikov are also putting great numbers.

 

[norrisnick]

What a stupid and childish response.
I don't follow any of the 3 defenders I mentioned, but I have checked the stats and he was top 10 in points.
Suter and Namestnikov are also putting great numbers.

Should have checked at the end of the season. He wasn't top 10 for the year and isn't this year either.

 

[PullHard]

What a stupid and childish response.
I don't follow any of the 3 defenders I mentioned, but I have checked the stats and he was top 10 in points.
Suter and Namestnikov are also putting great numbers.

No he wasn’t? What are you looking at? Also thanks for responding with that much vitriol, seems very reasonable and informed of you

 

[lilidk]

Copp, Compher, Holl, the goalie revolving door, Fester, the former Red Wings boys club that has incompetent people in key positions (Draper et al), etc. Yzerman has way more than a few bad moves. Yzerman has been GM for over half a decade and this team is as bad as it was when he started and still years away from truly turning the corner. I love Yzerman and want him to succeed but he’s high on his own supply and needs a wake up call so he can shake up the organization and get some better people and players on the team.

Draper deserves to get fired for drafting Mazur, Lombardi, Cossa, Finnie

 

[TheClap]

I don't think people are defending Yzerman as much as brining basic common sense to the discussion. Something happened behind the scenes that you will never know about. He was even healthied by SJS, and he gave his version of the story he decided to give.

Larkin said measured were taken and dealt with over the offseason. Where there's smoke there's fire. In this case it's an inferno!

Or you can stay in denial and be mad about clouds in the sky.

Something to be said of the culture and leadership here if "measures were taken and dealt with in the offseason" and those measures go on to find greener pastures and those who kicked him to the curb are lounging in a smoke filled inferno.

 

[Retire91]

olympic level mental gymnastics to paint yzerman in a negative light. Kind of sad actually.

 

[TheClap]

Olympic level mental gymnastics to paint yzerman in a positive light. Extremely pathetic.

 

[Shaman464]

Draper deserves to get fired for drafting Mazur, Lombardi, Cossa, Finnie

A 3rd liner, a goalie that was considered a mid first round pick, a kid who is finally looking decent in the AHL at 21 and a 19 year old finally finding offense against teenagers.

 

[lilidk]

A 3rd liner, a goalie that was considered a mid first round pick, a kid who is finally looking decent in the AHL at 21 and a 19 year old finally finding offense against teenagers.

We Will see, so far looking promising , also I hope Becher will turn up at some point.

 

[Air Budd Dwyer]

I guess I just don’t get this odd attachment to a guy like Walman around here.

After 12/31 last season, he scored a whopping 4 points and was not good at defense for the remainder of the season. Before this year, he had about 50 career points in just about 200 career games. And on top of that, was apparently a locker room issue AND did a stupid dance that I hate because f*** the Minnesota Vikings!

But now that he’s having an anomaly of a season, people want to use that as an excuse to”ah ha! Gotcha!” moment to criticize Yzerman?

We have enough information about Walman by this point to realize he’s having an outside of the mean season for himself. How many times have we seen this from NHL players where they have an awesome season, maybe 2 if they’re lucky, and then regress back to what they’d always been?

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

I guess I just don’t get this odd attachment to a guy like Walman around here.

After 12/31 last season, he scored a whopping 4 points and was not good at defense for the remainder of the season. Before this year, he had about 50 career points in just about 200 career games. And on top of that, was apparently a locker room issue AND did a stupid dance that I hate because f*** the Minnesota Vikings!

But now that he’s having an anomaly of a season, people want to use that as an excuse to”ah ha! Gotcha!” moment to criticize Yzerman?

We have enough information about Walman by this point to realize he’s having an outside of the mean season for himself. How many times have we seen this from NHL players where they have an awesome season, maybe 2 if they’re lucky, and then regress back to what they’d always been?

As far as my opinion, I enjoyed watching Walman generate chances, even when the team was still losing. With his youth there was also hope he would keep getting better and be a big piece of the rebuild. Dumping that and a 2nd for nothing was Pejorative Slured. Since I was already having a lot of issues with Yzerman's moves up to that point, the Walman trade coupled with the Jack Campbell signing, really twisted the knife put me in the 'we need a new GM' camp. I think a lot of the other posters in this thread are probably of a similar mindset.