Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

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Nick Leddy was and is TRASH. It was determined as soon as the trade happened Yzerman FLEECED the Blues. Complete and utter felony robbery.

Don't try to rewrite history, everyone knows Yzerman fleeced them in that trade.

Yeah fleeced. Second, Sunny, and Walman for Leddy. Well, Sunny is gone and it cost a second to get rid of Walman, so in the end, Stevie got nothing for Leddy. Meanwhile, Leddy has been a serviceable d-man for the Blues until he got injured this season.

I still think he should have acquired Graves, and not Leddy to begin with. Cascading effect, we probably wouldn't have Chiarot right now.
 
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Yeah fleeced. Second, Sunny, and Walman for Leddy. Well, Sunny is gone and it cost a second to get rid of Walman, so in the end, Stevie got nothing for Leddy. Meanwhile, Leddy has been a serviceable d-man for the Blues until he got injured this season.

I still think he should have acquired Graves, and not Leddy to begin with. Cascading effect, we probably wouldn't have Chiarot right now.
Not that this even necessarily changes anything, but we did flip Sunny for a 4th rounder which turned out to be Larry Keenan. So technically we end up with Keenan from the Leddy trade.
 
Nick Leddy was and is TRASH. It was determined as soon as the trade happened Yzerman FLEECED the Blues. Complete and utter felony robbery.

Don't try to rewrite history, everyone knows Yzerman fleeced them in that trade.

Doesn't matter how Leddy is viewed. He was the piece that made that trade happen, not anything else. I am not the one rewriting history here.
 
If you want to talk facts, then you should mention that Walman has never had trade value. Every team that ditch him, ditch him with assets. As I pointed out earlier, look what Blues gave up to get rid of him off the team.

Hell, Grier had to be enticed to take him with a 2nd rounder.



That's his version of the story. He was healthy scratched in Detroit when they needed him most. Coach and management apparently didn't want him. I read speculation the team didn't even want him around. Blues also didn't want him around.

That's not "cope" for getting rid of him... that is the FACTS that he's had no value wherever he goes and is always healthy scratched (I don't know if Blues healthied him), but they certainly wanted him gone, and gave up valuable assets to make it happen.

Review Walman's NHL career timeline. Where there's smoke, there's fire!

Just because he can put up points doesn't mean he gets a free pass. We as fans don't get the privy to know about. We can put together a damaging timeline of his NHL existence. It'll be interesting to see how his SJ career pans out. I'll fo sho be keeping an eye on it.
Why did Yzerman trade for him in the 1st place if he, we and the whole league knew everything about him?
How many teams wanted to get rid of him, 25?
He is a top 10 on points in the league today?

So why is a top 10 defenceman in points in the league valued this little?

Why didn't Yzerman trade him when his value was at his peak?

Walman, Hronek Suter...are doing great with their new teams. Why did Yzerman get rid of them?
 
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Why did Yzerman trade for him in the 1st place if he, we and the whole league knew everything about him?
How many teams wanted to get rid of him, 25?
He is a top 10 on points in the league today?

So why is a top 10 defenceman in points in the league valued this little?

Why didn't Yzerman trade him when his value was at his peak?

Walman, Hronek Suter...are doing great with their new teams. Why did Yzerman get rid of them?

Did you see Suter here? He wasn't good at all.
 
Nick Leddy was and is TRASH. It was determined as soon as the trade happened Yzerman FLEECED the Blues. Complete and utter felony robbery.

Don't try to rewrite history, everyone knows Yzerman fleeced them in that trade.

someone should probably tell St. Louis how much he sucks so they stop playing him 22 minutes a night

and Yzerman himself paid a 2nd for Leddy too literally not even a year before trading him
 
On the trade time Leddy was just atricious.

He was also pretty bad for St. Louis under Berube.

Since the coahing change there (Berube fired for Bannister), he has been pretty good.
 
They are just hot right now. 2 teams knew what kind of game he brings and still payed to get rid of him. Think of that as proof of what a problem he must be off the ice. He has a reputation that is still behind closed doors and unfortunately tanks his trade value despite being a good player. He has Jakub Vrána type value.

Have no problem with people being upset by the trade though, it sucks.
Walman had 8 career NHL points when we acquired him. He was hardly mentioned in our trade thread and the vast majority of Blues fans don't look like they were concerned losing him at the time.

They certainly didn't know that they had a near point per game defender when they got rid of him.
 
someone should probably tell St. Louis how much he sucks so they stop playing him 22 minutes a night

and Yzerman himself paid a 2nd for Leddy too literally not even a year before trading him

Lol. He's played 4 games this season... I think they know. Haha!

And Blues are worse than Detroit right now.
 
Doesn't matter how Leddy is viewed. He was the piece that made that trade happen, not anything else. I am not the one rewriting history here.
Looks like a cap dump to me. Leddy was TRASH. Is another man's treasure - Blues suck this season and went from a 109 point season to 81 point season after Leddy's first season with the blues. DNQ every season thereafter, and now they suck just as bad as Detroit right now. If Leddy was supposed to be their saviour, then he's doing it wrong!

Yzerman ultimately got Kiiskinen and Larry Keenan out of the deal. Walman was a swing and miss... now he gets to get healthy scratched on SJ Sharks randomly out of the blue like he was here in Detroit.... It's almost like there's some kind of pattern with him.

I'll take Kiiskinen and Larry Keenan and call it a win.
 
Looks like a cap dump to me. Leddy was TRASH. Is another man's treasure - Blues suck this season and went from a 109 point season to 81 point season after Leddy's first season with the blues. DNQ every season thereafter, and now they suck just as bad as Detroit right now. If Leddy was supposed to be their saviour, then he's doing it wrong!

Yzerman ultimately got Kiiskinen and Larry Keenan out of the deal. Walman was a swing and miss... now he gets to get healthy scratched on SJ Sharks randomly out of the blue like he was here in Detroit.... It's almost like there's some kind of pattern with him.

I'll take Kiiskinen and Larry Keenan and call it a win.

Leddy wasn't a cap dump. Yzerman paid an asset to get him, and then Stl also paid assets to get him. If you are just going to make stuff up, what is the point of interacting with you?
 
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Leddy wasn't a cap dump. Yzerman paid an asset to get him, and then Stl also paid assets to get him. If you are just going to make stuff up, what is the point of interacting with you?

The 2nd was for Islanders to bury Richard Panik's 2.75m AVV contract. Yzerman acquired Leddy to dump and flip. And won a trade that ended up (at the end) being Larry Keenan and Kiiskinen and the services of Jake Walman who 'appears' to be a good player, but cancer. I don't expect his stint with SJS to end well.
 
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I didn't like and still don't fully understand it. But his worst trade was to bring in leddy in the first place. He over paid for a mediocre, past his prime d-man, who definitely didn't want to be here. And of course, had he not done that this whole question is moot.
 
I’m new to the Jake Walman trade—acknowledge living under a rock.
We’re (TB) are playing SJ tonight and I was surprised and impressed by Walmans stats only to find out he came with a second round for future considerations..
What the hell? Is there a TLDR version of why?!
 
I’m new to the Jake Walman trade—acknowledge living under a rock.
We’re (TB) are playing SJ tonight and I was surprised and impressed by Walmans stats only to find out he came with a second round for future considerations..
What the hell? Is there a TLDR version of why?!
Not really, unless you're cool with... something made Walman persona non grata in the locker room and Yzerman expedited the departure because free agency was around the corner. No one is going to come straight out and say how and why he had to move, but there were vague comments about "some people weren't on the same page as the rest of the team, and that was dealt with in the off season." during training camp. Very little had to do with on ice issues, but more along the lines of getting back on the ice issues.
 
Not really, unless you're cool with... something made Walman persona non grata in the locker room and Yzerman expedited the departure because free agency was around the corner. No one is going to come straight out and say how and why he had to move, but there were vague comments about "some people weren't on the same page as the rest of the team, and that was dealt with in the off season." during training camp. Very little had to do with on ice issues, but more along the lines of getting back on the ice issues.

Also I think Larkin made a comment along the lines "the bad actors were addressed during the offseason". I could be butchering the exact quote.

I think he was specifically implying Jake Walman.
 
Also I think Larkin made a comment along the lines "the bad actors were addressed during the offseason". I could be butchering the exact quote.

I think he was specifically implying Jake Walman.
Well he’s gone - wonder if Yzerman is happy now that he has the locker room attitude he wanted.

I don’t understand any of the moves that were made during the offseason outside getting Mo and Ray signed in the last hour.
 
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Last season Walman wasn't anything special, don't think he was bad, but not like he was in his 1st full season in Detroit.

There were off ice issues and he got traded. Paid to ship him sooner rather than later. Oh well.
The fact that he started well with the Sharks this year, first of all its sample size. Secondly he gets 3-5 min more ice time. His number's will fall back again, I think he would be a good addition to the Sharks overall but nothing to remember later on. Overall a fairly solid stop gap for them. As he was for us. He's not going to be top pair d-man when Sharks become good.
 
Last season Walman wasn't anything special, don't think he was bad, but not like he was in his 1st full season in Detroit.

There were off ice issues and he got traded. Paid to ship him sooner rather than later. Oh well.
The fact that he started well with the Sharks this year, first of all its sample size. Secondly he gets 3-5 min more ice time. His number's will fall back again, I think he would be a good addition to the Sharks overall but nothing to remember later on. Overall a fairly solid stop gap for them. As he was for us. He's not going to be top pair d-man when Sharks become good.
If we had 4-6 good defenseman, I don't think anyone would really care. I think everyone's just frustrated because he was on our team, so were Chiarot, Petry and Holl. We had every opportunity to evaluate these players and we ended up choosing to pay to get rid of the best of the bunch. To me it just speaks to poor talent evaluations and poor priorities. I fear those problems haunting the team going forward.
 
If we had 4-6 good defenseman, I don't think anyone would really care. I think everyone's just frustrated because he was on our team, so were Chiarot, Petry and Holl. We had every opportunity to evaluate these players and we ended up choosing to pay to get rid of the best of the bunch. To me it just speaks to poor talent evaluations and poor priorities. I fear those problems haunting the team going forward.
No he paid to get him of him because he had off ice issues and he for whatever reason needed the cap space there and then..

For all the good things Yzerman has done, he will make some mistakes. Rushing this trade one is one of them.
 
No he paid to get him of him because he had off ice issues and he for whatever reason needed the cap space there and then..

For all the good things Yzerman has done, he will make some mistakes. Rushing this trade one is one of them.
I get that it was because of the locker room and cap space. To me that's having the wrong priorities. If we evaluated Chiarot, Petry, Holl and Gustafsson to be acceptable defenseman for 4/6 spots in our lineup, then that's a bad evaluation. If we thought that having those guy's personalities over Walman's was a higher priority than Walman's play over theirs, that's the wrong priority. We chose the worse players and we did it because we thought they'd be better for our locker room.

I'm worried that we'll continue to bring in bad defenseman because we 1 suck at evaluating them and/or 2 care more about whether we like them than if they're good at hockey. If we had gotten rid of Walman and Ghost, followed that up by also getting rid of Chiarot and Holl and replacing them with Chychrun, Roy and Ed, culminating in:
Ed-Seider
Chychrun-Roy
AlJo-Maatta
Petry
I wouldn't care about having gotten rid of Walman because clearly we had needed his spot for someone better. We consistently sign and keep the worst defenseman available to us. That's terrifying. It's doubtful that we can build a defense from just our draft picks. If we keep supplementing with Ben Chiarot and different shades of him, we'll never win anything
 
Really we just need to change our pro-scouting approach and philosophy completely. We've made some really horrible decisions in FA and moving Walman that quickly without looking at other offers is just a real shame. Letting him and Ghost go just to bring in Gus is a huge, huge indictment of our process.
 
Really we just need to change our pro-scouting approach and philosophy completely. We've made some really horrible decisions in FA and moving Walman that quickly without looking at other offers is just a real shame. Letting him and Ghost go just to bring in Gus is a huge, huge indictment of our process.
It’s nepotism. Steve has his brother Chris yzerman running the pro scouting in Detroit. If it was anyone but Stevie doing this in Detroit the fans would want heads to roll, and they should. I just cannot believe how apathetic and tame this fanbase has become. We are an original 6 team, some of the most decorated history in the sport came from our franchise. How is this acceptable. This isn’t just losing its incompetent. And nothings being done about it. Like how in the world is Lalonde still a coach.
 
We're not good enough to prioritize keeping guys who are bad off the ice. Wish him luck in San Jose and that he keeps his head on straight. He wouldn't be the first guy who has needed to change teams a few times before he really gets it.
 
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