W Beckett Sennecke - Oshawa Generals, OHL (2024, 3rd, ANA)

[CanadienShark]

Why does every thread about a Ducks player always have like 30 Habs fans arguing about something in it?

You know how this all started? It was comparing rising prospects. Not as style of player, but the similar growth spurt and shooting up rankings. You can re-read my posts on Sennecke if you like. I have been pretty positive about him as a player and wished him all the best. He's an interesting pick for sure. He's got some impressive talent and the body to match.

 

[Goon42]

Massive reach hopefully he pans out for the ducks

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Dach isn't a bust. I think 10% of your posts ever have been replies to me now. I'm honoured. You don't have time to watch hockey, but you have time to dedicate to trolling Habs fans and attacking me. Thank you.

Feel free to talk about Sennecke here. He's an intriguing player for sure.

Prob have to excuse some duck fans, were used to the standards put on zegras by canadian fans (who also ignore those standards when it comes to Dach/Newhook/Caufield)

 

[CanadienShark]

Prob have to excuse some duck fans, were used to the standards put on zegras by canadian fans (who also ignore those standards when it comes to Dach/Newhook/Caufield)

I don't think Zegras is a fit in Montreal, but damn is he ever exciting to watch. Never heard anything truly negative about the guy.

Ducks are building a nice looking and varied forward group and Sennecke is just another interesting piece on top.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't think Zegras is a fit in Montreal, but damn is he ever exciting to watch. Never heard anything truly negative about the guy.

Ducks are building a nice looking and varied forward group and Sennecke is just another interesting piece on top.

In my head in 2-3 years
Gauthier - carlsson - sennecke

Could be a big, skilled top line.

 

[tomd]

In my head in 2-3 years
Gauthier - carlsson - sennecke

Could be a big, skilled top line.

Was watching a Grant Mccagg mock draft from early June and he had Sennecke going 5th to Montreal. Said that his Oshawa coach thinks he'll be in the NHL at 19.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Was watching a Grant Mccagg mock draft from early June and he had Sennecke going 5th to Montreal. Said that his Oshawa coach thinks he'll be in the NHL at 19.

Don’t doubt that but might take a year to find his game at nhl lvl and

 

[CanadienShark]

In my head in 2-3 years
Gauthier - carlsson - sennecke

Could be a big, skilled top line.

Ew. And I say that as a Sharks fan.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Sennecke is going to need a smart, 200ft center and a big body in front of the net.

We got Slaf and Suzuki ready to go and i wouldn't have a problem trading CC for Sennecke.

Yes...I'm ready for the hate.. lol

So Leo Carlsson and Cutter Gauthier

 

[Anaheim4ever]

These past two Drafts Anaheim takes the player with higher elite hockey sense/IQ over the guy who gets drafted right after him. Sennecke's hockey sense is noticeably higher than Lindstrom as is Carlsson's over Fantilli. This is something GM Pat Verbeek values over just pure tool set.
They were so confident Sennecke was the guy they didn't do anymore interviews with him lol.

Both past two picks were seen as less NHL ready than the guy who went after them as well, Fantilli was seen as more NHL ready while Carlsson as the guy with higher ceiling will take longer.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Ew. And I say that as a Sharks fan.

Sharks are getting there.
Musty/Celebrini/Smith
Bystedt/Misa(2025 pick)/Eklund
I expect Misa to be around 6'1 to 6'2 by the time of the 2025 draft.

 

[le_sean]

Got to hand it to Verbeek, letting Madden Jr. pick the guy he wants. Nice to see complete trust in your staff.

 

[FlyguyOX]

These past two Drafts Anaheim takes the player with higher elite hockey sense/IQ over the guy who gets drafted right after him. Sennecke's hockey sense is noticeably higher than Lindstrom as is Carlsson's over Fantilli. This is something GM Pat Verbeek values over just pure tool set.
They were so confident Sennecke was the guy they didn't do anymore interviews with him lol.

Both past two picks were seen as less NHL ready than the guy who went after them as well, Fantilli was seen as more NHL ready while Carlsson as the guy with higher ceiling will take longer.

I’m not sure Carlsson having a higher ceiling is a common opinion

 

[Garbageyuk]

These past two Drafts Anaheim takes the player with higher elite hockey sense/IQ over the guy who gets drafted right after him. Sennecke's hockey sense is noticeably higher than Lindstrom as is Carlsson's over Fantilli. This is something GM Pat Verbeek values over just pure tool set.
They were so confident Sennecke was the guy they didn't do anymore interviews with him lol.

Both past two picks were seen as less NHL ready than the guy who went after them as well, Fantilli was seen as more NHL ready while Carlsson as the guy with higher ceiling will take longer.

Anyone who says Sennecke has better hockey sense than Lindstrom has not watched both players. Lindstrom produced assists at basically the same rate as Sennecke, but he’s a much, much better goal scorer - he posted the same amount of goals in half the games played.

Lindstrom is also better defensively, better along the boards, in front of the net, and on the forecheck, and is a better possession player/play driver - he’s way better at zone entries thanks to his elite puck protection. He’s meaner and more physical, and competes harder. He’s grittier and plays his game in the dirty areas, and he excels there. Hands are about the same, but Lindstrom’s shot is way better. He’s faster, stronger, and more explosive.

Lindstrom is basically what you hope Sennecke turns into if he puts it all together. I’ll take the guy who already there over the guy you hope gets there.

FWIW, I’m a Habs fan who would’ve taken Lindstrom over Demidov, even with the injury concern.

 

[majormajor]

These past two Drafts Anaheim takes the player with higher elite hockey sense/IQ over the guy who gets drafted right after him. Sennecke's hockey sense is noticeably higher than Lindstrom as is Carlsson's over Fantilli. This is something GM Pat Verbeek values over just pure tool set.
They were so confident Sennecke was the guy they didn't do anymore interviews with him lol.

Both past two picks were seen as less NHL ready than the guy who went after them as well, Fantilli was seen as more NHL ready while Carlsson as the guy with higher ceiling will take longer.

The Ducks have consistently taken the guy I wanted one spot before my Jackets pick, including Carlsson over Fantilli. And it was precisely because he has amazing hockey sense that I had Carlsson ahead.

But this year I had Lindstrom 4th and Sennecke 5th. And I don't see any gap between them on hockey sense. Lindstrom plays a more polished structured game than people give him credit for, and it's Sennecke that actually dangles his way through two guys when a simple pass would do. Lindstrom's details are better. I'm confident Sennecke will figure that out though, we've also seen him be able to beat one guy and then quickly take advantage with a great pass, that's where I see his game headed. I think Lindstrom's ability to brute force a situation misleads people, sometimes that brute force is the smartest play!

 

[tomd]

When I was trying to think of a comparable for Sennecke, I was surprised by how few dynamic right handed RW there are. Finding one is almost as hard as finding a dynamic RHD. Maybe that's part of the reason why Levshunov and Sennecke went 2-3 in the draft.

 

[Sean Garrity]

When I was trying to think of a comparable for Sennecke, I was surprised by how few dynamic right handed RW there are. Finding one is almost as hard as finding a dynamic RHD. Maybe that's part of the reason why Levshunov and Sennecke went 2-3 in the draft.

He looks to me like a later blooming, less agitating, but better skating Perry. Their junior highlights are eerily similar in that it's tall lanky skilled winger with amazing spacial awareness/stickhandling, aggressiveness to the net and some great hands up close. He'll never have a season like Perry’s in 2011, but I think he can be a big bodied 40-40 guy in his prime and maybe string more years like that than Pears could.

 

[frontsfan67]

Mctavish and Carlsson weren't "reach" at all

You clearly didn’t pay attention. Mctavish was rated around the 10 spot, and they took him at 3. Carlsson wasn’t really a reach however people on here like the good ol’ Canadian boys more than imports so they didn’t praise the ducks picking Carlsson at 2 to put it lightly.

Drafting isn’t a problem for the Ducks. I expect Sennecke to be one of the best players in this draft. 100% trust the Ducks scouts.

I definitely trust NHL scouts more than a few people with opinions on here lol. The ducks aren’t drafting sennecke for now, they’re drafting him for where he is 2/3 years from now when they start to be good again.

 

[frontsfan67]

Lindstrom is basically what you hope Sennecke turns into if he puts it all together. I’ll take the guy who already there over the guy you hope gets there.

Lindstrom has injury problems at 18 which is a huge red flag and sennecke is the safer pick because of that. Sennecke just grew 5 inches over his rookie season into this season and may be getting used to some of that height which is why he struggled the first half of the season.

Sennecke had a great second half and playoffs and he’s going to only get way better. May hit 100 points next year with Callum Ritchie. Sennecke was one of the biggest reasons why Oshawa even made the OHL finals and when he went down the gens got destroyed.

FWIW, I’m a Habs fan who would’ve taken Lindstrom over Demidov, even with the injury concern.

Demidov is easily the second best player in the draft. And may even have the highest ceiling- compared to Kucherov and is one of the best Russian prospects since ovechkin. Not quite as good as michkov but could make an argument for 2nd or 3rd.

Only thing going against demidov is his height. But we see smallish players proving people wrong time and time again.

 

[bud12]

You clearly didn’t pay attention. Mctavish was rated around the 10 spot, and they took him at 3. Carlsson wasn’t really a reach however people on here like the good ol’ Canadian boys more than imports so they didn’t praise the ducks picking Carlsson at 2 to put it lightly.


I definitely trust NHL scouts more than a few people with opinions on here lol. The ducks aren’t drafting sennecke for now, they’re drafting him for where he is 2/3 years from now when they start to be good again.

Mckenzie had Mctavish at 4th right before the draft. He was not a reach

 

[frontsfan67]

Mckenzie had Mctavish at 4th right before the draft. He was not a reach

And there’s this website too showing rankings closer to the draft

2021 NHL Draft Prospect Profile: Mason McTavish is a big, skilled center

We are less than a month away from the 2021 NHL Entry Draft (July 23-24), so it’s time to start researching the prospects likely to be selected in the first round. The Columbus Blue Jackets currently…

www.jacketscannon.com

 

[bud12]

Power pulls away from crowded draft field - TSN.ca

This year’s NHL draft class is showing signs of major unpredictability, but the Michigan defenceman cemented his status as hockey’s top prospect with a strong performance at the IIHF World Championship, Bob McKenzie writes.

www.tsn.ca

 

[majormajor]

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And there’s this website too showing rankings closer to the draft

2021 NHL Draft Prospect Profile: Mason McTavish is a big, skilled center

We are less than a month away from the 2021 NHL Entry Draft (July 23-24), so it’s time to start researching the prospects likely to be selected in the first round. The Columbus Blue Jackets currently…

www.jacketscannon.com

That's not the final rankings. He was tied for 4th on the final.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Lindstrom has injury problems at 18 which is a huge red flag and sennecke is the safer pick because of that. Sennecke just grew 5 inches over his rookie season into this season and may be getting used to some of that height which is why he struggled the first half of the season.

Sennecke isn’t a safe pick at all. He’s an extremely risky, raw, boom or bust type of pick. He currently doesn’t do any of the little things well that you need to succeed in the pros - he plays on the perimeter a lot of the time, tries to deke through defenders in the neutral zone and at the offensive blue line all the time, to very mixed results, isn’t good defensively, or along the boards. He plays an extremely junior style game and has a lot of habits and tendencies that are just not going to fly in the NHL. Every time someone talks about his upside, it’s “if ____ , if ____ , if ____”. That’s as risky as it gets.

Only thing going against demidov is his height. But we see smallish players proving people wrong time and time again.

There are plenty of other concerns with Demidov; Habs fans just don’t want to admit it.

 

[forever1922]

Sennecke isn’t a safe pick at all.
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That’s as risky as it gets.

There are plenty of other concerns with Demidov; Habs fans just don’t want to admit it.

The discussion has shifted to anticipation and excitement, and it is natural post draft. Sennecke's tools are exciting, his upside is fantastic and his character is wonderful.

The risk factor with Sennecke is not unlike anyone else in the draft. He is not as risky as it gets. To suggest that is disingenious. He has displayed wonderful growth and improvement in his areas of strength and there is no ceiling in sight. When you hear people say if_whatever it is because there is upside still untapped, not because he absolute must improve an area of his game to project to whatever upside they see him having.

I agree that he plays a junior game, he is a late bloomer and those indiscriminantly take more time. To state the obvious: Helenius is at the other end of the spectrum, he is coached to close to a pro level already. For him to make more of an impact he needs to improve his fundamental abilities, which is far riskier of a projection and thus he is not the 3rd overall.

I would count Demidov as one of the least risky picks but even he has sizable limitations or risks. There just wasn't a sure thing at the top end this year.

I do not welcome discussion on Demidov or Helenius despite mentioning them, this post is about Sennecke.