Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

[Ralph Malfredsson]

The answer to this question - asset management.

Same reason why we moved Pageau instead of re-signing him.

We could have been the team to throw 30M over 6 years at him through his late 20s/early 30s, but instead we traded him for a 1st+2nd and now we have Greig and Kleven to show for it, along with 5M in cap space we used to sign Tarasenko.

People forget how many assets were burned under Dorion. We traded 2 high 1sts and 3 2nds for ADB and Chychrun trying to rush this team to the playoffs. That's in addition to losing Formenton, who was supposed to be a young fixture in our top 9 for the foreseeable future, and wasting a top 10 pick on Boucher. The pipeline is looking terrible and we desperately need to replenish it. Can't be leaving assets on the table, especially if teams are willing to pay something nice for Tarasenko as a rental.

Trade Tarasenko for hopefully a late 1st and let him go for a cup. If he's a free agent in the summer and is willing to come back on a reasonable deal, that's when signing him becomes a more reasonable proposition.

But realistically this is a guy who already reportedly turned down 5.5M x 4YRs from the Sens this summer in favour of a 1YR mercenary contract. He's probably going back down south, as would I if I were in his shoes.

to my brain this makes sense

but my heart would love to see Tarasenko on this team for the foreseeable future

 

[armani]

He has the feel of a guy who could just fall off a cliff at some point.

But it's tough to turn your nose up at a Stanley Cup winning veteran who works really hard and has a lot of veteran savvy to offer.

I know what you mean, north of 30 but there is still some gas left in the Tank. If he would agree to a 2 year deal at $5M (his current cap), I would sign him right away. Like his overall game/presence on the team. He is what Kovalev was supposed to be for us many moons back.

 

[coladin]

The answer to this question - asset management.

Same reason why we moved Pageau instead of re-signing him.

We could have been the team to throw 30M over 6 years at him through his late 20s/early 30s, but instead we traded him for a 1st+2nd and now we have Greig and Kleven to show for it, along with 5M in cap space we used to sign Tarasenko.

People forget how many assets were burned under Dorion. We traded 2 high 1sts and 3 2nds for ADB and Chychrun trying to rush this team to the playoffs. That's in addition to losing Formenton, who was supposed to be a young fixture in our top 9 for the foreseeable future, and wasting a top 10 pick on Boucher. The pipeline is looking terrible and we desperately need to replenish it. Can't be leaving assets on the table, especially if teams are willing to pay something nice for Tarasenko as a rental.

Trade Tarasenko for hopefully a late 1st and let him go for a cup. If he's a free agent in the summer and is willing to come back on a reasonable deal, that's when signing him becomes a more reasonable proposition.

But realistically this is a guy who already reportedly turned down 5.5M x 4YRs from the Sens this summer in favour of a 1YR mercenary contract. He's probably going back down south, as would I if I were in his shoes.

I can get behind this.

But who are you going to replace him with? If you say Greig or someone already on this team, someone already lacking experience, someone who has not won, someone who isn't the same level of "pro", then what is the true opportunity cost of moving this asset?

The farm is thin, granted. But this team has the farm all in the NHL, so there is some level of expectation that the farm would be bare and to begin repleneshing. I don't think picks is what this team needs right now. It needs to grow up .

 

[Hale The Villain]

I can get behind this.

But who are you going to replace him with? If you say Greig or someone already on this team, someone already lacking experience, someone who has not won, someone who isn't the same level of "pro", then what is the true opportunity cost of moving this asset?

The farm is thin, granted. But this team has the farm all in the NHL, so there is some level of expectation that the farm would be bare and to begin repleneshing. I don't think picks is what this team needs right now. It needs to grow up .

Replace him with a two-way forward, one better suited to playing on a shutdown 3rd line beside Pinto and Joseph.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Greig - Norris - Batherson
Joseph - Pinto - ???????
Kelly - Kastelic - MacEwen

Offense isn't the problem with this team. We have plenty of talented forwards, which is why Tarasenko has played almost entirely on the 2nd PP and on our 3rd line at even strength for a decent portion of the year. He's more of a luxury than a need on a team that has major holes at defense and in goal.

The idea that this team didn't need any more prospects was always a silly one, as cheap young talent on ELCs is always needed to extend a team's window of opportunity, but it looks even sillier now that the team has made it clear they aren't close to contending status.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Tarasenko hasn't been as redundant as expected, but he's not really what we need. Good player and a decent fit all things considered, but our needs are elsewhere and should be prioritized.

 

[DrEasy]

Replace him with a two-way forward, one better suited to playing on a shutdown 3rd line beside Pinto and Joseph.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Greig - Norris - Batherson
Joseph - Pinto - ???????
Kelly - Kastelic - MacEwen

Offense isn't the problem with this team. We have plenty of talented forwards, which is why Tarasenko has played almost entirely on the 2nd PP and on our 3rd line at even strength for a decent portion of the year. He's more of a luxury than a need on a team that has major holes at defense and in goal.

The idea that this team didn't need any more prospects was always a silly one, as cheap young talent on ELCs is always needed to extend a team's window of opportunity, but it looks even sillier now that the team has made it clear they aren't close to contending status.

Yeah, the missing piece is basically a guy like Formenton...

 

[coladin]

Replace him with a two-way forward, one better suited to playing on a shutdown 3rd line beside Pinto and Joseph.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Greig - Norris - Batherson
Joseph - Pinto - ???????
Kelly - Kastelic - MacEwen

Offense isn't the problem with this team. We have plenty of talented forwards, which is why Tarasenko has played almost entirely on the 2nd PP and on our 3rd line at even strength for a decent portion of the year. He's more of a luxury than a need on a team that has major holes at defense and in goal.

The idea that this team didn't need any more prospects was always a silly one, as cheap young talent on ELCs is always needed to extend a team's window of opportunity, but it looks even sillier now that the team has made it clear they aren't close to contending status.

And as predicted, all you did was bump up Greig. This is precisely the problem . We need pros , not rookies to help this team weather storms, adversity, etc... Greig is not the solution.

Offense is a problem on this team. You can run up games with goals, but they cannot score when it matters. Again, this is young guys, feeling pressure, and not handling it. How many more years do we burn off their contracts in order for them to be complete players?

Tarasenko is a complete player

 

[DrEasy]

And as predicted, all you did was bump up Greig. This is precisely the problem . We need pros , not rookies to help this team weather storms, adversity, etc... Greig is not the solution.

Offense is a problem on this team. You can run up games with goals, but they cannot score when it matters. Again, this is young guys, feeling pressure, and not handling it. How many more years do we burn off their contracts in order for them to be complete players?

Tarasenko is a complete player

Sure, but like Hale said, I'd rather get the assets at the deadline, and fill in the holes with free agents in the off season. If Tarasenko is that free agent, great. If not, there's plenty of other fish. If nobody wants to come here, well then let's take a longer term perspective, develop the team from within and stop wasting assets like Dorion did.

 

[Hale The Villain]

And as predicted, all you did was bump up Greig. This is precisely the problem . We need pros , not rookies to help this team weather storms, adversity, etc... Greig is not the solution.

Offense is a problem on this team. You can run up games with goals, but they cannot score when it matters. Again, this is young guys, feeling pressure, and not handling it. How many more years do we burn off their contracts in order for them to be complete players?

Tarasenko is a complete player

Get a veteran 3rd liner that can help prevent the team from getting scored on, not another scoring forward that has no spot in our top 6.

Better yet, allocate Tarasenko's money towards the defense and a goalie that can stop a beach ball.

Sens are 11th in goals per game but 31st in goals against per game. Offense is not the problem.

I keep hearing Tarasenko is a complete player but the numbers don't suggest it at all. Being better defensively than one-dimensional players like Tkachuk, Batherson, Stutzle, etc... doesn't make him good defensively.

 

[aragorn]

I'd trade Tarasenko to the NY Rangers for Filip Chytil LW who makes about $500K less & is signed for 3 more yrs. He could replace Kubalik on the roster & they would still have enough cap space to sign a Tarasenko replacement over the summer. Chytil is only 24 yrs old & had a 45 pt season last yr, he is out for the yr, but could be here for next season.

 

[GCK]

If Tarasenko wants 3 x 4M, sure you can keep him but I think he will want to check out the market for something more. I like Greig on the 3rd line with Pinto.

Tkachuk - Stu - Giroux
???? - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Kasperi Kapanen

I'd try to sign a RD in UFA and use Chychrun/Chabot to get the 2LW.

I'd trade Tarasenko to the NY Rangers for Filip Chytil LW who makes about $500K less & is signed for 3 more yrs. He could replace Kubalik on the roster & they would still have enough cap space to sign a Tarasenko replacement over the summer. Chytil is only 24 yrs old & had a 45 pt season last yr, he is out for the yr, but could be here for next season.

If Chytil wasn't dealing with a potential career ending injury they wouldn't move him.

 

[aragorn]

If Tarasenko wants 3 x 4M, sure you can keep him but I think he will want to check out the market for something more. I like Greig on the 3rd line with Pinto.

Tkachuk - Stu - Giroux
???? - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Kasperi Kapanen

I'd try to sign a RD in UFA and use Chychrun/Chabot to get the 2LW.


If Chytil wasn't dealing with a potential career ending injury they wouldn't move him.

I thought Chytil's injury was season ending, not career ending, was it? Agree, they need a 2nd line pt producing LW & a pt producing RW along with a top 4 RD. I assume that they will likely graduate one or two prospects in Belleville for next season, they usually graduate at least one every yr. Ostapchuk could be close to being NHL ready, Kleven I assume is close & maybe Guennette or Jarventie. Maybe they put Ostapchuk with Norris & Batherson as he is a Tkachuk lite type of player & would do the dirty work in the corners, along the boards & in front of the net?

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Sure, but like Hale said, I'd rather get the assets at the deadline, and fill in the holes with free agents in the off season. If Tarasenko is that free agent, great. If not, there's plenty of other fish. If nobody wants to come here, well then let's take a longer term perspective, develop the team from within and stop wasting assets like Dorion did.

I like the idea of trading Tarasenko at the deadline, getting some good asset(s) for him and then potentially resigning him in the off-season to a 3-year deal (don't think I would want to go longer than that).

In terms of trading a player at the deadline and then resigning that same player in the Summer, I can't think of any player that we have done that with ever. It just does not seem to ever happen anywhere. Not that I can think of anyways.

That said, this does seem to be a situation where it could happen. It certainly seems like he enjoys living/playing here in Ottawa. He knows that there is potential for this team to make some noise in the next 3 years. With his current NMC, maybe he would waive for a shot at another Cup this year with a team like NYR, Vegas, Edm, Bos, Van, Dal, Col, etc. and then come back to Ottawa in the Summer.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I like the idea of trading Tarasenko at the deadline, getting some good asset(s) for him and then potentially resigning him in the off-season to a 3-year deal (don't think I would want to go longer than that).

In terms of trading a player at the deadline and then resigning that same player in the Summer, I can't think of any player that we have done that with ever. It just does not seem to ever happen anywhere. Not that I can think of anyways.

That said, this does seem to be a situation where it could happen. It certainly seems like he enjoys living/playing here in Ottawa. He knows that there is potential for this team to make some noise in the next 3 years. With his current NMC, maybe he would waive for a shot at another Cup this year with a team like NYR, Vegas, Edm, Bos, Van, Dal, Col, etc. and then come back to Ottawa in the Summer.

Didn't it happen a couple times back in the Guerin/Weight days? That's about all I can recall.

I would think most players would rather not. Like, if I'm staying, I'll stay, but no, I'm not living in a hotel for 3 months just to come back here.

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Didn't it happen a couple times back in the Guerin/Weight days? That's about all I can recall.

I would think most players would rather not. Like, if I'm staying, I'll stay, but no, I'm not living in a hotel for 3 months just to come back here.

Good call on Doug Weight. Went from the Blues to the Hurricanes for a Cup in 05-06 and then went back to St Louis in the Summer and signed a two-year deal. I think you are right about the living in a hotel for 3 months, especially with young kids.

 

[swiftwin]

The answer to this question - asset management.

Same reason why we moved Pageau instead of re-signing him.

We could have been the team to throw 30M over 6 years at him through his late 20s/early 30s, but instead we traded him for a 1st+2nd and now we have Greig and Kleven to show for it, along with 5M in cap space we used to sign Tarasenko.

People forget how many assets were burned under Dorion. We traded 2 high 1sts and 3 2nds for ADB and Chychrun trying to rush this team to the playoffs. That's in addition to losing Formenton, who was supposed to be a young fixture in our top 9 for the foreseeable future, and wasting a top 10 pick on Boucher. The pipeline is looking terrible and we desperately need to replenish it. Can't be leaving assets on the table, especially if teams are willing to pay something nice for Tarasenko as a rental.

Trade Tarasenko for hopefully a late 1st and let him go for a cup. If he's a free agent in the summer and is willing to come back on a reasonable deal, that's when signing him becomes a more reasonable proposition.

But realistically this is a guy who already reportedly turned down 5.5M x 4YRs from the Sens this summer in favour of a 1YR mercenary contract. He's probably going back down south, as would I if I were in his shoes.

This obsession with "asset management" and young talent is the reason we're in our current predicament. The team is already overflowing with young talent. That's not what we need right now. We need experienced pros who play the right way.

What you're suggesting is only going to make things worse.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Good call on Doug Weight. Went from the Blues to the Hurricanes for a Cup in 05-06 and then went back to St Louis in the Summer and signed a two-year deal. I think you are right about the living in a hotel for 3 months, especially with young kids.

I'm showing my age with that one!

Ya, I really think winning it all gets overplayed as a priority and that scenario is not as enticing to players as it sounds to us, I would bet. Sure, some guys want that more than anything, but for most of these guys, priorities probably go in order of Family>Money>Location>Winning.

If they're leaving no matter what, I can see why it's just seen as part of the dance and you're preparing to move on regardless, but imo if a player is gonna stay, they just stay.

I'd bet Tarasenko would much rather make a commitment somewhere and spend the summer setting up shop with his family than he would cup chasing away from them.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

This obsession with "asset management" and young talent is the reason we're in our current predicament. The team is already overflowing with young talent. That's not what we need right now. We need experienced pros who play the right way.

What you're suggesting is only going to make things worse.

So this was a failure on the previous GMs part to acquire said experienced pros who play the right away.

 

[BigRig4]

Apologies if this has already been posted but supposedly Dreger said tonight we need to retain on Tarasenko's salary to move him.

 

[swiftwin]

So this was a failure on the previous GMs part to acquire said experienced pros who play the right away.

Perhaps, but this is the opposite of what everyone here wanted. Everyone shat on him about "asset management" when he acquired good pros.

 

[Cosmix]

Apologies if this has already been posted but supposedly Dreger said tonight we need to retain on Tarasenko's salary to move him.

That could be true as the team's that would want a player like him are looking for scoring help in the playoffs and are likely near the cap. They would need a lower salary cost to take him and pay us with a pick or prospect.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Perhaps, but this is the opposite of what everyone here wanted. Everyone shat on him about "asset management" when he acquired good pros.

We want good pros that are still effective on the ice, not just off it.

 

[swiftwin]

We want good pros that are still effective on the ice, not just off it.

Those are even more expensive to acquire. So, what you're saying we should have given up even more assets?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Those are even more expensive to acquire. So, what you're saying we should have given up even more assets?

Not necessarily, but possibly, either way, hopefully assess available talent and risk better. And, in fairness, hopefully better is more willing to come.

 

[R2010]

Perhaps, but this is the opposite of what everyone here wanted. Everyone shat on him about "asset management" when he acquired good pros.

operative word is 'good'. We didn't like spending picks and $$ on players like Stepan.