Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

[Relapsing]

No reason to trade Tank unless he prices himself out, or wants to play somewhere else.

He is a net contributor to the team and we don’t need more picks so much as guys who can play in the NHL now. Add that Tank is a vet who has won a cup and was a key contributor to that win, and he has the makings to continue to add value to this team.

We already have enough picks this summer to add good prospects to the pool. We are trying to win now and going forward, not take steps back to add another prospect to the mix.

We will have at least 1 1st rounder we need to recoup in the next 3 years, and our cupboard is pretty bare with all the picks we've traded and guys who have graduated to the NHL.

We need to basically rebuild our pipeline. If tank isn't gonna sign for another 2 years this offseason, he needs to go. That's the UFA grind for teams not in the playoffs: pay money to recoup picks and prospects.

Hopefully the last year we need it, but having an extra first this or next year to cycle in a talented kid on an elc to help this roster is imo essential to our future success.

 

[Adrianopolous]

I like the concept of Tarasenko but the guy we got seems different

 

[bicboi64]

I wonder what Tanks mindset is. Does he want another run at a cup, does he want to go somewhere that will give him prime ice time so he can put up numbers for a fat contract, or does he love ottawa and wants to stay here.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'd have posted Bruce Garrioch's analysis on this if it was available

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yet Tarasenko has the second best plus minus on the team.
Been on the ice for 19 goals for and 12 against at 5 on 5.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Curious if a majority of the shots that are faced when he's on the ice are "high-scoring" chances.
From the eye-test he blocks out guys pretty damn well and keeps the opponent near the walls.

 

[bicboi64]

Those stats are weird in how they contradict the eye test for me personally. Not saying Tank is a selke candidate, but he's always positioned well, and isn't the last one back unlike a lot of our wingers.

I wonder how the quality of the shots he allows are.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Those stats are weird in how they contradict the eye test for me personally. Not saying Tank is a selke candidate, but he's always positioned well, and isn't the last one back unlike a lot of our wingers.

I wonder how the quality of the shots he allows are.

I found it surprising as well
Tarasenko's got the highest shots allowed per 60, scoring chances allowed per 60, expected goals allowed per 60, high danger scoring chances allowed per 60.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I found it surprising as well
Tarasenko's got the highest shots allowed per 60, scoring chances allowed per 60, expected goals allowed per 60, high danger scoring chances allowed per 60

Also surprised so checked
On the bolded
While the xGA/60 and HDCA/60 aren’t that great,
The actual GA/60 and actual HDGA/60 are pretty good.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Also surprised so checked
On the bolded
While the xGA/60 and HDCA/60 aren’t that great,
The actual GA/60 and actual HDGA/60 are pretty good.

also mentioned in the tweet
He's benefited from Senators goalies stopping 94.2 percent of the shots while he's on the ice.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

also mentioned in the tweet
He's benefited from Senators goalies stopping 94.2 percent of the shots while he's on the ice.

So what you're saying is, Tarasenko has to play a full 60 minutes every night then we'd be invincible.

 

[Golden_Jet]

also mentioned in the tweet
He's benefited from Senators goalies stopping 94.2 percent of the shots while he's on the ice.

Yep the 2 kind of go hand in hand, good defensive numbers resulting in good goaltending numbers and vice a versa.

a case where the actual numbers trump expected numbers.

 

[NyQuil]

No reason to trade Tank unless he prices himself out, or wants to play somewhere else.

He is a net contributor to the team and we don’t need more picks so much as guys who can play in the NHL now. Add that Tank is a vet who has won a cup and was a key contributor to that win, and he has the makings to continue to add value to this team.

We already have enough picks this summer to add good prospects to the pool. We are trying to win now and going forward, not take steps back to add another prospect to the mix.

The assumption is that he will want to leave.

 

[Ice-Tray]

The assumption is that he will want to leave.

Not THE assumption, AN assumption, that is popular for Ottawa fans. We always default to assuming UFAs will leave, college guys won’t sign, players won’t extend, etc… but it actually has started to look like some players like the city, like the team, and want to stay.

Tank may want to seek a bigger longer deal somewhere else, sure, though I’m not convinced that there is a guarantee that that will be out there. But he also ticks a ton of boxes of a guy who may love the situation the team is in, the city he lives in, and want to stay.

I honestly think that Ottawa has a lot to offer him in terms of on and off ice opportunities that few other places can.

Obviously both parties have to want to make a deal, but I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that he will want out, and he does have some trade protection when it comes to deadline deals.

Anyways, I prefer to look at the situation in terms of what he brings if we want to extend him, and I would personally prioritize trading him at the deadline to get some middling assets in return.

 

[dumbdick]

So often these advanced stats look a bit silly when you reword them in straightforward language.

Like the difference between one player and another is an additional shot against every six games or something.

 

[Xspyrit]

I can understand if they want to keep Tarasenko all season but IMO you trade him for the best return you can and go after a more targeted type of forward. I don't know who would be available but someone like Ryan McLeod would be great

Trade Kubalik and Tarasenko, acquire players in the Joseph/McLeod/Greig mold.

I'd have posted Bruce Garrioch's analysis on this if it was available

Yeah we have been extremely lucky with Tarasenko on the ice.

This tweet doesn't surprise me, it's pretty much what I was saying/expecting before the season, he is useless when he or the team doesn't have the puck. I said that needs to produce to bring some value and he has so far so not all that bad. Greig and Joseph were ideal linemates for him. I'd have him with Greig and Pinto when Shane comes back

Curious if a majority of the shots that are faced when he's on the ice are "high-scoring" chances.
From the eye-test he blocks out guys pretty damn well and keeps the opponent near the walls.

Those stats are weird in how they contradict the eye test for me personally. Not saying Tank is a selke candidate, but he's always positioned well, and isn't the last one back unlike a lot of our wingers.

I wonder how the quality of the shots he allows are.

This is answered already :

"highest ... scoring chances allowed per 60, expected goals allowed per 60, high danger scoring chances allowed per 60"

Over time, he'd be on the ice for the most goals against when things would tend to the norm

 

[Sun God Nika]

I don’t get what the point is in acquiring a late 1st for him. You hope that first becomes what Tarasenko is right now in 4-5 years. Why not , not take the gamble and have that player right now when the team is expected to be competitive. See if he signs something reasonable for the next 3-4 years .

Only way it makes sense is if they utilize that cap space right away for a bigger fish free agent or trade target

 

[PlayOn]

I don’t get what the point is in acquiring a late 1st for him. You hope that first becomes what Tarasenko is right now in 4-5 years. Why not , not take the gamble and have that player right now when the team is expected to be competitive. See if he signs something reasonable for the next 3-4 years .

Only way it makes sense is if they utilize that cap space right away for a bigger fish free agent or trade target

Because they need forwards that can skate, PK and play good two-way hockey and that’s just not his game.

He’s been good, I like him, but we don’t need him now and we certainly aren’t going to need him in 3-4 years when he’s slowed down even more and we’re trying to rid ourselves of the contract.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Tank doesn’t look too slow to me.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don’t get what the point is in acquiring a late 1st for him. You hope that first becomes what Tarasenko is right now in 4-5 years. Why not , not take the gamble and have that player right now when the team is expected to be competitive. See if he signs something reasonable for the next 3-4 years .

Only way it makes sense is if they utilize that cap space right away for a bigger fish free agent or trade target

Tarasenko turned down a deal worth over 5M per on a 4YR deal this summer, and that was when the team was touted as an up-and-coming contending threat.

He's almost certainly not re-signing. He's a mercenary that will be traded at the deadline then go back down south when free agency comes around.

But for the record the "mystery box" argument is one of the worst in hockey. People said the same thing when we traded Pageau for a 1st+2nd, and now we have Greig and Kleven to show for it, while Pageau has little to no trade value now, as he is arguably not justifying his contract, which is so often the case with players in their late 20s/early 30s who are signed to long-term UFA deals.

We'd be dodging a bullet not re-signing Tarasenko, the futures we'd get in return are a bonus.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Look at some of the veteran wingers signed as FAs over the last few years. Now consider the cap is going to go up. Palat, Killorn, etc. Tarasenko will want 6M-7M x 3-4 seasons.

Teams may not meet that offer because they didn't this past offseason (other than Dorion).

The Sens need to recoup assets. Tarasenko is one of their few valuable pieces that they realistically can move on from. They need to move him and get picks.

They still can make an offer for him on July 1st, if he makes it that far. If they're willing to go 6M with term, which is probably what he is asking, odds are they will be in the conversation on July 1st, because I don't think many teams will do that with him because for whatever reason they didn't do it last summer despite similar veteran wingers getting those deals.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

trade him for a 1st
re-sign him in offseason
$$$

god gm-ing is so easy

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

trade him for a 1st
re-sign him in offseason
$$$

god gm-ing is so easy

That's not at all what the post said.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

That's not at all what the post said.

i hadn't made it to your post just making a rando joke.

but in all seriousness we badly need both the 1st that Tarasenko can bring back and a stanley cup winning veteran leader who can still play and teach the kids how to be NHLers.

I feel like Euro players really like Ottawa, maybe it reminds them of home. Ihope that Tarasenko likes it here and would be willing to come back even if traded, maybe even on a discount.

 

[Micklebot]

Vlady gets the helmet after the game for his play and game winner only to re-give it to Pinto,