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Hahahha they'd ask for Manoah and they'd get laughed out of the room. Unless they're willing to take on a huge chunk of his contract next year I doubt they'd get anything even close to Hiraldo.
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Hahahha they'd ask for Manoah and they'd get laughed out of the room. Unless they're willing to take on a huge chunk of his contract next year I doubt they'd get anything even close to Hiraldo.
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At this point Manoah is more untouchable than Pearson. For me, Manoah, Martin and Moreno are the 3 that are completely off limits for anyone in the league (outside of the guys we all know won't be traded). Pearson, Groshans, Martinez and SWR would need to be dealt for a Ramirez or close to it level player for me.
After that, I'm open to moving anyone.
After that, I'm open to moving anyone.
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Even the package they put up seems heavy for me and then they say the Cubs say no? They want someone ready then they best need a catcher. We can send Reese their way with Zeuch or Kay
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"Punting" a pick is picking someone who signs for ultra cheap, not picking someone who doesn't sign.
How the bonus pool works is that you need to sign the player at a slot in order to make use of any leftover money elsewhere. If you fail to sign the player the entire pick's slot money is forfeited. So when teams punt a pick what they do is take someone who will sign for a significantly lower bonus than slot. Often outside of the first round that ends up being an amount in the tens of thousands of dollars range vs slot value of hundreds of thousands.
And teams rarely if ever punt that hard in the 1st round because 1st rounders are a significantly higher chance of getting an actual prospect than later rounds. So the worst you'll usually see at the top of a team's draft board is going under slot to save maybe a few hundred thousand off the slot's millions of dollars of assigned pool money. Full blown punts usually don't happen until the mid rounds or later.
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Umpires miss calls like that on a routine basis. I'll easily take a computer that makes that mistake <1% of the time over a human ump screwing that up 5% of the time
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so weird they are starting the draft on a sunday. wasnt usually a friday saturday sunday thing previously. or did they always do it in the middle of the week
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I’m pretty sure it always starts on a Sunday and finishes up on the Monday
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Weird, I remember a fairly recent draft doing its first round on a weekday afternoon (afternoon from a west coast perspective)
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My thoughts exactly. I would move a Van Eyk+ type for Kimbrel but not Hiraldo.
However, I think the Cubs will get a mega deal for Kimbrel if they want one. If they want to move money then they will get less.
But if they want the best deal possible then I think they get it. Kimbrel is hands down the best reliever on the market with 10+ teams interested. He has a team option where you can have him as a rental or pick the option up for a 2nd year or trade him.
I think the Cubs get a top 100 prospect and then some.
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I'm starting to think he goes to San Diego. The smoke on Allen is too strong as much as I like Solometo.
I'm kind of tempted to take an arm like Bednar or Williams throw them in the bullpen for the rest of the year.
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I know you go BPA but i really like the idea of grabbing the best available arm which could be Solometo or Williams. But if they think Allen has a legit ceiling, with an athletic lefty bat who may play CF - then he is a good prospect to have.
Unlike most drafts i think this one is 30-45 players deep. Most drafts i think you want a pick in the top 10 or 15 or 20. But in this draft there is a clear top 10 and after that maybe another 5-7 depending on your preferences but then after i dont really have a problem with the next 10-25 players, the Jays can take almost anyone and i would be happy.
Its a very deep draft after the top 10 if; Mayer, Lawler, Leiter, Davis, House, Rocker, Watson, Jobe, McLain, Frelick are taken. Both Montgomerys, Cowser, Bachman and Madden are seen in the next tier (could get ahead of Frelick) but others dont have them that much higher. Like i see Madden going as high as 10 in some mocks but CBS's latest draft doesnt have him going in the first.
Obviously you want Springer but it sucks not to have a 2nd round pick.
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I actually think there's TOO much smoke on Allen and Solometo, especially for a pick at #19 where so much ahead of us will dictate who we ultimately take. I'm kind of expecting that some weird stuff will go on ahead of us and it'll shake up the board entirely.
Having said that, I actually like Allen a lot. Two sport athlete, actually has a good sense for hitting (this has been important for most Jays draft picks) and by all indications the power and performance have ticked up late, which is always a good sign. If he can save a few dollars off the slot, then that's even better. I think that this is a good draft to shop prices at #19 because I don't see too much separation, unless we're sitting there with one of the clear ~Top 12 guys on the board.
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They might have done last years all weird because there really weren’t many rounds. I might be wrong but I remember it always being Sunday the night rounds and day two the remaining top rounds then the quick fire. Might go three days but I don’t remember exactly
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Yeah, that's what I like about him too, as opposed to Taylor who will probably go higher but I feel is more speed oriented.
I see Allen's feel to hit and the loose swing, and he has the frame for power. I was hoping he would have more explosive secondary tools though for a two-sport guy. He didn't do the 60-yard at any events last summer but most scouts have him as an average to slightly above average runner as opposed to a plus runner like Taylor, and his arm is just ok for RF with a 91mph outfield velo compared to a guy like Baez who throws 97mph. Then again if Allen had those other tools to go along with his feel to hit he would likely be a top 10 pick, so I guess it's a moot point.
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I don't think there's a clear-cut guy at 19 (unless someone falls) where its as simple as just taking the best guy. There's a tier of guys right now who are good enough to go there including Williams and Solometo imo. As metafour says, maybe you go to that group and see who will sign for least.
Allen definitely fits Toronto profile for positions players. Nascent feel for the barrel, loose hands, athletic swing with a leg kick, frame with some projection. They don't really care about loud secondary tools.
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Three problems plaguing this team from progressing or by chance a wild card. Pitching, defence and manager.
2021 MLB Mock Draft 3.0: Kumar Rocker to the Rangers, Jack Leiter to Tigers in Keith Law’s Latest - The Athletic
19. Toronto Blue Jays: Jay Allen, OF, John Carroll Catholic (FL) High
The Blue Jays have been linked to Allen for a while now, having scouted him heavily during the state all-star tournament at the end of the spring. I’d heard them earlier on Florida senior Tommy Mace, but Mace wasn’t good later in the spring, and the Blue Jays don’t have a second-round pick (for signing George Springer) so going under slot here makes little sense; it’s far more likely they’d just go slot on someone like Tyler Black or Connor Norby than try to save some cash.
19. Toronto Blue Jays: Jay Allen, OF, John Carroll Catholic (FL) High
The Blue Jays have been linked to Allen for a while now, having scouted him heavily during the state all-star tournament at the end of the spring. I’d heard them earlier on Florida senior Tommy Mace, but Mace wasn’t good later in the spring, and the Blue Jays don’t have a second-round pick (for signing George Springer) so going under slot here makes little sense; it’s far more likely they’d just go slot on someone like Tyler Black or Connor Norby than try to save some cash.
Blue Jays 2021 MLB Draft preview: Who might Toronto land at No. 19 and what can past drafts tell us about this year? - The Athletic
Here are Toronto’s picks this year and their assigned values:
First round: No. 19 ($3,359,000)
Second round: None
Third round: No. 91 ($647,300)
Fourth round: No. 121 ($473,700)
Fifth round: No. 152 ($350,300)
Sixth round: No. 182 ($268,200)
Seventh round: No. 212 ($209,800)
Eighth round: No. 242 ($170,300)
Ninth round: No. 272 ($152,900)
10th round: No. 302 ($144,400)
That all adds up to a bonus pool of $5,775,900 for the Blue Jays. That’s the third lowest, more than only the Dodgers and Astros (who don’t have picks in the top two rounds as a penalty for the sign-stealing scandal in 2017.)
Names to know
Based on a survey of mock drafts from The Athletic, Baseball America and MLB.com, here are some names that have been linked to the Blue Jays at the No. 19 pick.
Jay Allen, OF, John Carroll Catholic (Fla.) HS
Rankings: The Athletic: 35; Baseball America: 38; MLB Pipeline: 33
An athletic high school outfielder, Allen has projectable power from the right side. Law wrote Allen has the arm for all three outfield spots and that the Blue Jays were “heavy on Allen” at the state’s all-star game late in the year. He’s a three-sport athlete (including football and basketball) but committed to Florida for baseball.
Andrew Painter, RHP, Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale, Fla.)
Rankings: TA: 24; BA: 15; MLBP: 18
A high school right-hander who has shown mid-90s velocity on his fastball and who Baseball America said has “a buttery smooth delivery and a tremendously loose, easy arm action that should give him above-average or plus command in the future.” He has a four-pitch mix, including a changeup, slider and curveball. Law wrote he has “projection you can dream on.”
Joe Mack, C, Williamsville (N.Y.) East HS
Rankings: TA: 33; BA: 22; MLBP: 19
A catcher who Law wrote has “a short swing geared for contact and a plus arm.” After his 2020 season was cancelled, Baseball America said Mack looked like he was finding his timing in the box to start this season, but “scouts generally haven’t seemed concerned.” Baseball America also noted scouts disagree on how much power he’ll ultimately have.
Harry Ford, C, North Cobb HS (Kennesaw, Ga.)
Rankings: TA:9; BA: 17; MLBP: 13
Another high school catcher, Ford stands out for his athleticism, Law wrote. MLB Pipeline said one scout compared him to Craig Biggio for his potential to play catcher, second base or centre field. He is speedy, and Baseball America wrote he has “solid bat-to-ball skills and barrel awareness,” but some evaluators believe he’ll hit for power over average.
Anthony Solometo, LHP, Bishop Eustace Preparatory School (Pennsauken, N.J.)
Rankings: TA: 21; BA: 28; MLBP: 17
Law labelled Solometo the best high school lefty in the class with “a loose, electric arm,” who has a fastball that gets up to 95 mph with good life and a hard curveball he can land on both sides of the plate. Baseball America wrote his delivery is “funky” with a big leg kick and long arm swing, but Law noted he repeats it well for strikes and command.
Mike McGreevy, RHP, UC-Santa Barbara
Rankings: TA: 40; BA: 16; MLBP: 28
A college right-hander, McGreevy has a fastball that can hit 94 mph, but sits 90-91, Law noted. Baseball America wrote McGreevy is recognized for his control and is “an elite strike-thrower.”
Bubba Chandler, RHP/SS, North Oconee HS (Bogart, Ga.)
Rankings: TA: 18; BA: 20; MLBP: 21
Law wrote Chandler’s “brightest future” is as a pitcher because of his fast arm, above-average velocity and ability to spin a curveball. Chandler, a two-way player, is a multi-sport athlete committed to Clemson for football and baseball. Law cautioned the track record of quarterbacks-turned-pitchers isn’t great. At shortstop, he’s a switch-hitter with raw power, but isn’t a polished defender, Baseball America wrote.
Ryan Cusick, RHP, Wake Forest
Rankings: TA: 12; BA: 39; MLBP: 26
Cusick has one of the best fastballs in the draft, Law wrote, that lives in the upper 90s with movement, which makes up for his inconsistent breaking ball and changeup. Baseball America noted he’s control over command, but some evaluators doubt he projects as a starter and profiles more as a fire-throwing reliever.
Local draft hopefuls
Tyler Black, 2B, Wright State (Toronto, Ont.)
Rankings: TA: 47; BA: 82; MLBP: 57
Black saw his draft stock rise after hitting .383/.496/.683 this season with great plate discipline and some power. He’s a versatile infielder but might fit best at second base. Law has him potentially going in the late first round to the Oakland A’s. He is also the son of Canadian broadcaster, Rod Black.
Denzel Clarke, OF, Cal State-Northridge (Pickering, Ont.)
Rankings: TA: 52; BA: 133; MLBP: 98
Clarke has raw power and has improved his approach over the past two years, according to Baseball America, but Law noted there are still concerns against better pitching. He can play centre field and has speed, but might have to move to left field because of his arm. He is also a cousin of Bo and Josh Naylor. Clarke could be a late first-day or second-day pick.
Here are Toronto’s picks this year and their assigned values:
First round: No. 19 ($3,359,000)
Second round: None
Third round: No. 91 ($647,300)
Fourth round: No. 121 ($473,700)
Fifth round: No. 152 ($350,300)
Sixth round: No. 182 ($268,200)
Seventh round: No. 212 ($209,800)
Eighth round: No. 242 ($170,300)
Ninth round: No. 272 ($152,900)
10th round: No. 302 ($144,400)
That all adds up to a bonus pool of $5,775,900 for the Blue Jays. That’s the third lowest, more than only the Dodgers and Astros (who don’t have picks in the top two rounds as a penalty for the sign-stealing scandal in 2017.)
Names to know
Based on a survey of mock drafts from The Athletic, Baseball America and MLB.com, here are some names that have been linked to the Blue Jays at the No. 19 pick.
Jay Allen, OF, John Carroll Catholic (Fla.) HS
Rankings: The Athletic: 35; Baseball America: 38; MLB Pipeline: 33
An athletic high school outfielder, Allen has projectable power from the right side. Law wrote Allen has the arm for all three outfield spots and that the Blue Jays were “heavy on Allen” at the state’s all-star game late in the year. He’s a three-sport athlete (including football and basketball) but committed to Florida for baseball.
Andrew Painter, RHP, Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale, Fla.)
Rankings: TA: 24; BA: 15; MLBP: 18
A high school right-hander who has shown mid-90s velocity on his fastball and who Baseball America said has “a buttery smooth delivery and a tremendously loose, easy arm action that should give him above-average or plus command in the future.” He has a four-pitch mix, including a changeup, slider and curveball. Law wrote he has “projection you can dream on.”
Joe Mack, C, Williamsville (N.Y.) East HS
Rankings: TA: 33; BA: 22; MLBP: 19
A catcher who Law wrote has “a short swing geared for contact and a plus arm.” After his 2020 season was cancelled, Baseball America said Mack looked like he was finding his timing in the box to start this season, but “scouts generally haven’t seemed concerned.” Baseball America also noted scouts disagree on how much power he’ll ultimately have.
Harry Ford, C, North Cobb HS (Kennesaw, Ga.)
Rankings: TA:9; BA: 17; MLBP: 13
Another high school catcher, Ford stands out for his athleticism, Law wrote. MLB Pipeline said one scout compared him to Craig Biggio for his potential to play catcher, second base or centre field. He is speedy, and Baseball America wrote he has “solid bat-to-ball skills and barrel awareness,” but some evaluators believe he’ll hit for power over average.
Anthony Solometo, LHP, Bishop Eustace Preparatory School (Pennsauken, N.J.)
Rankings: TA: 21; BA: 28; MLBP: 17
Law labelled Solometo the best high school lefty in the class with “a loose, electric arm,” who has a fastball that gets up to 95 mph with good life and a hard curveball he can land on both sides of the plate. Baseball America wrote his delivery is “funky” with a big leg kick and long arm swing, but Law noted he repeats it well for strikes and command.
Mike McGreevy, RHP, UC-Santa Barbara
Rankings: TA: 40; BA: 16; MLBP: 28
A college right-hander, McGreevy has a fastball that can hit 94 mph, but sits 90-91, Law noted. Baseball America wrote McGreevy is recognized for his control and is “an elite strike-thrower.”
Bubba Chandler, RHP/SS, North Oconee HS (Bogart, Ga.)
Rankings: TA: 18; BA: 20; MLBP: 21
Law wrote Chandler’s “brightest future” is as a pitcher because of his fast arm, above-average velocity and ability to spin a curveball. Chandler, a two-way player, is a multi-sport athlete committed to Clemson for football and baseball. Law cautioned the track record of quarterbacks-turned-pitchers isn’t great. At shortstop, he’s a switch-hitter with raw power, but isn’t a polished defender, Baseball America wrote.
Ryan Cusick, RHP, Wake Forest
Rankings: TA: 12; BA: 39; MLBP: 26
Cusick has one of the best fastballs in the draft, Law wrote, that lives in the upper 90s with movement, which makes up for his inconsistent breaking ball and changeup. Baseball America noted he’s control over command, but some evaluators doubt he projects as a starter and profiles more as a fire-throwing reliever.
Local draft hopefuls
Tyler Black, 2B, Wright State (Toronto, Ont.)
Rankings: TA: 47; BA: 82; MLBP: 57
Black saw his draft stock rise after hitting .383/.496/.683 this season with great plate discipline and some power. He’s a versatile infielder but might fit best at second base. Law has him potentially going in the late first round to the Oakland A’s. He is also the son of Canadian broadcaster, Rod Black.
Denzel Clarke, OF, Cal State-Northridge (Pickering, Ont.)
Rankings: TA: 52; BA: 133; MLBP: 98
Clarke has raw power and has improved his approach over the past two years, according to Baseball America, but Law noted there are still concerns against better pitching. He can play centre field and has speed, but might have to move to left field because of his arm. He is also a cousin of Bo and Josh Naylor. Clarke could be a late first-day or second-day pick.
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What’s the plan with Semien moving forward? Are we resigning him? He seems like the perfect player to have to win. And if not you have to think hes a hot commodity on the trade front.
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i personally think there are far too many moving parts atm to even hazard a guess on which direction the jays decide to go in the offseason with semian. theres alot of different avenues to explore depending on how the season finishes up and what our needs end up being. hes definitely a strong option and known commodity though.
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Ya. It seems like there going for it BUT I’m not convinced this is the year. And I guess there is still under a month before the deadline.
But 9 games back. Tampa and Boston well ahead. Wild card looks like a tough call IMO. Too many issues.
But 9 games back. Tampa and Boston well ahead. Wild card looks like a tough call IMO. Too many issues.
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