Blue Jays Discussion: Vladdy named ASG MVP. Draft Over. Now all that's left is the trade deadline

[djdev]

in the end i think vlad is the best hitter of the 3. but as a first baseman, his war etc might hold him back "value wise"
franco is a switch hitting shortstop with some speed, which will always be looked at as more valuable, and tatis is a shortstop as well(although he hasnt looked very good as a shortstop to me, nice to have machado beside you) vladdy this year has really impressed me with his IQ on the basepaths though. sky is the absolute limit for this kid with his tools.

 

[djdev]

Will Franco remain a SS or will he get moved to a different position?

i dont see any reason for them to move off him at SS yet. he was rated a 55 def 60 arm as a prospect. he seems like he will be a good but not great defender. but i havent watched enough of him to actually have my own opinion lol

 

[Hoverhand]

if st louis is out of the race and we improve our playoff chances a bit over the next month, i would like to try and get nolan arenado, his defense this year hasnt been as good but nothing to suggest that its anything more than a blip and his bat is still potent, he would be a nice off season target as well. definitely a good consolation if ramirez is too costly.
i wonder how long before martin is up(maybe next year or 2023?) and what position he will settle into.

The Cardinals just acquired him so I doubt he's not in their long term plan.

If they do end up trying to trade him though, Toronto makes a lot of sense. They're one of the few teams who could very easily take on his contract but the Cardinals wouldn't get that good of a return if the Jays were to take on the whole thing.

 

[djdev]

The Cardinals just acquired him so I doubt he's not in their long term plan.

If they do end up trying to trade him though, Toronto makes a lot of sense. They're one of the few teams who could very easily take on his contract but the Cardinals wouldn't get that good of a return if the Jays were to take on the whole thing.

ye thats really the reason i thought of him, ramirez will cost ALOT to trade for, and arenado would cost much less imo, but its alot of salary to take on..especially if they think martin is a 3rd baseman going forward. but hes an elite bat and a good defender throughout his career, and i think 3rd base really is a big need for this team..especially with bo's defense at ss this year being pretty substandard.

 

[MS]

Fun list of names and then you see Arencibia and Josh bloody Phelps on it and yikes.

It's funny how looking at Phelps' first two Jay seasons in 2002 and 2003 they are *way* better than I remember.

He slashed .284/.360/.507 with a 122 OPS+ in those two years and 30 HR/105 RBI per 162 games.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

He's not my top choice but I think I can sell myself on Allen as our pick. Loose swing with a feel to hit. Making hard contact with more power projection. Just wish he was more tooled up like a Joshua Baez or even Harry Ford.

 

[TGB]

ye thats really the reason i thought of him, ramirez will cost ALOT to trade for, and arenado would cost much less imo, but its alot of salary to take on.

They will ALL cost a lot. The rest of the league is more than aware the Jays have a surplus of infield talent, and they will all take advantage of it.

 

[djdev]

They will ALL cost a lot. The rest of the league is more than aware the Jays have a surplus of infield talent, and they will all take advantage of it.

i disagree, players wouldnt cost more to trade for because we have more to offer. thats not how the trade market works.

 

[dredeye]

They will ALL cost a lot. The rest of the league is more than aware the Jays have a surplus of infield talent, and they will all take advantage of it.

One thing has nothing to do with the other

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

This Canadian kid Calvin Ziegler is thicc for someone that's 6'2. Throws upper 90s as a high schooler though. Wonder if the Jays might have any interest by Round 3.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Lunatik]

difficulty setting: Angel Hernandez

 

[capfit9]

any possibility the 19th pick is just punted (someone who will not sign) for next year given the limited bonus pool this year

 

[Canada4Gold]

Hard to see the plate at that angle but obviously the catcher setting up inside and then reaching for the ball on the outside corner at the last moment makes it worse than it looks. McGuire had one in the Jays game tonight that he made look like a clear ball because he set up on the opposite side but it was in the zone according to the graphic. It got called a ball and nobody argued because missing his spot with the catcher reaching make it look awful but it was actually a strike.

Pausing the video it as it crossed it could have been a strike, it's hard to tell for sure because I can't see the plate. I would assume the catcher is not centered on the plate but on the inside corner so a pitcvh "missing" the catcher could still catch the plate. It looks a lot better like than than just watching it live.

 

[Canada4Gold]

any possibility the 19th pick is just punted (someone who will not sign) for next year given the limited bonus pool this year

I don't really see the point. You have slot money for 19th for that pick so it's not like someone in that range will be difficult to sign, just not having a 2nd round pick potentially handcuffs you from getting any droppers this year but if you just punt the pick it doesn't help that cause, and essentially makes it impossible to get any droppers in the 3rd round(where if you underslot at 19 you may be able to overslot at 91)

Having an extra big pool next year with having an additional pick at 20 doesn't help next year if you just sign someone from slot at 20 which is what you could just do this year at 19.

 

[trellaine201]

Wish we had Brantley Jr instead of the mish mash that our manager puts out there. Reese will be next playing the OF lol

 

[Cor]

Hard to see the plate at that angle but obviously the catcher setting up inside and then reaching for the ball on the outside corner at the last moment makes it worse than it looks. McGuire had one in the Jays game tonight that he made look like a clear ball because he set up on the opposite side but it was in the zone according to the graphic. It got called a ball and nobody argued because missing his spot with the catcher reaching make it look awful but it was actually a strike.

Pausing the video it as it crossed it could have been a strike, it's hard to tell for sure because I can't see the plate. I would assume the catcher is not centered on the plate but on the inside corner so a pitcvh "missing" the catcher could still catch the plate. It looks a lot better like than than just watching it live.

It was a ball, but the video makes it look way worse than it actually was

 

[canucksfan]

Then there is this

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[djdev]

my one wish in this lifetime is that when the automated strike zone arrives, MLB requires all umpires to call strike 3s like frank drebin.

 

[Cloned]

Then there is this

It's like you can literally see the wheels turning in his head ... "that's...a strike!"

 

[The Nemesis]

Arash Madani tweeted this too with some rather petty shade thrown at the crowd that wants robo-umps. As if a computerized strike zone botching one call that isn't nearly as bad as the video makes it out to be somehow invalidates the process when we have that other tweet in this thread of a human ump blowing multiple egregious calls and having an error rate of nearly 20%

The anti-robot argument that often feels like it's "the robot must be 100% accurate or we might as well not even bother" is so dumb.

 

[Lunatik]

It was a ball, but the video makes it look way worse than it actually was

The video is intentionally cut off before you can see all of the overhead view too, it looks like it is very close to catching the front outside corner of the plate.

 

[sxvnert]

Arash Madani tweeted this too with some rather petty shade thrown at the crowd that wants robo-umps. As if a computerized strike zone botching one call that isn't nearly as bad as the video makes it out to be somehow invalidates the process when we have that other tweet in this thread of a human ump blowing multiple egregious calls and having an error rate of nearly 20%

The anti-robot argument that often feels like it's "the robot must be 100% accurate or we might as well not even bother" is so dumb.

The tech would also improve YoY while umps clearly arent.

 

[phillipmike]

Who says no? 6 Cubs trade ideas

Blue Jays add a proven closer
Blue Jays get: RHP Craig Kimbrel
Cubs get: INF Miguel Hiraldo (Blue Jays’ No. 8 prospect), RHP CJ Van Eyk(Blue Jays’ No. 10 prospect)

Why it could work: The Blue Jays are in third place in the AL East behind the Red Sox and Rays, sporting one of the most dynamic offenses in baseball. The Jays’ 112 wRC+ ranks second in the Majors behind only the Astros. Hitting hasn’t been an issue, but run prevention has been, especially in the late innings. The team signed Kirby Yates in the offseason, but he ended up needing Tommy John Surgery before the season even began. The team has had seven different pitchers record at least one save, with Jordan Romano leading the way with six. There’s no question that a more certain option at the end of games would put the team in a better spot, and allow them to use Romano, who has been good, with a 1.76 ERA, in other high-leverage situations.
Plus, Kimbrel has a club option for 2022, when the young team is likely to be competitive yet again. That means he could be closing out postseason victories for Vlad Jr. and company for two straight years.

Who says no? Likely the Cubs, who might want more of an MLB-ready prospect, or even try to ask for one of Toronto’s players who has already reached that level, like Alek Manoah. Until we know whether the Cubs could be making these trades with an eye towards 2022 or 2024, it’s hard to know if they’d take a clearly-rebuilding trade package like the above, with two prospects whose ETAs are 2023.