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Well let me ask you - why does the offside rule (which very much limits player movement) exist?

I know where you're going with this based off of your response to Leafs1991. Yes, you are correct that the offsides rule in soccer is there to make the game more interesting (otherwise it descends into a game of back and forth long kicks down the field), and likewise the idea to ban shifts in baseball would be made under the same pretense, however, to me the main differentiator is that offsides MUST be banned because there is no clear drawback to choosing to play offsides (or cherry-picking). Why wouldn't you play offsides at all times? The forwards in soccer aren't tasked with defending anyway, so there is no schematic advantage to them staying on side versus offsides. The shift in baseball is very different from this because it has a CLEAR disadvantage - the team employing a shift essentially chooses to leave an entire half of the playing field undefended. We KNOW that this is a clear disadvantage, because it's used very selectively and against only specific players - because it can and WILL be punished otherwise. This makes it a very clear risk vs. reward positional alignment, no different than in soccer wherein a team can choose to run a formation with more forwards at the expense of leaving their defense more prone to counter-attacks. When a team shifts in baseball, there is a very clear and obvious "counter" that can be played by the batter: try to hit the ball to the undefended area of the playing field. Of course, this is easier said than done - but the fact that this is absolutely a counter makes this a valid risk/reward positional strategy as opposed to something that needs to be "regulated". MLB teams are perfectly free to counter shifts by employing a lineup that exclusively features hitters who can spray the ball from one foul pole to the other. Just like in football when the defense stacks the box, the opposing offense is free to audible to a play to throw the ball deep.
 
Stretching back a decade, I was hoping the Jays would go all-in on Fielder. And would have liked to have seen ownership/management dish out a similar contract that he got to do so. An extremely offensive producing 1st baseman that the Jays didn't have since Delgado. Entering his prime at 27/28 years old. Son of a former Blue Jay. Thought he was a perfect fit.

Retired early due to his severe injury issues, and only lived up to his contract for the first couple of years. Which would have left an albatross for the next seven years.
his weight issues really did him in overall, could have been a great player. i was worried about vlad heading down the same road until he i saw him in spring training.
 
I know where you're going with this based off of your response to Leafs1991. Yes, you are correct that the offsides rule in soccer is there to make the game more interesting (otherwise it descends into a game of back and forth long kicks down the field), and likewise the idea to ban shifts in baseball would be made under the same pretense, however, to me the main differentiator is that offsides MUST be banned because there is no clear drawback to choosing to play offsides (or cherry-picking). Why wouldn't you play offsides at all times? The forwards in soccer aren't tasked with defending anyway, so there is no schematic advantage to them staying on side versus offsides. The shift in baseball is very different from this because it has a CLEAR disadvantage - the team employing a shift essentially chooses to leave an entire half of the playing field undefended. We KNOW that this is a clear disadvantage, because it's used very selectively and against only specific players - because it can and WILL be punished otherwise. This makes it a very clear risk vs. reward positional alignment, no different than in soccer wherein a team can choose to run a formation with more forwards at the expense of leaving their defense more prone to counter-attacks. When a team shifts in baseball, there is a very clear and obvious "counter" that can be played by the batter: try to hit the ball to the undefended area of the playing field. Of course, this is easier said than done - but the fact that this is absolutely a counter makes this a valid risk/reward positional strategy as opposed to something that needs to be "regulated". MLB teams are perfectly free to counter shifts by employing a lineup that exclusively features hitters who can spray the ball from one foul pole to the other. Just like in football when the defense stacks the box, the opposing offense is free to audible to a play to throw the ball deep.

It's definitely an interesting philosophical debate.

Go back a few dozen years, and this wouldn't even be an issue as players would punish the shift with bunts. But bunting turned into a forbidden art right around the time Moneyball came out - now most of the league straight up doesn't know how to do it.

But MLB is waning in popularity, and they want more offense. So either they limit defenses or they start teaching kids how to bunt again. The former is just a more expedient, practical solution.
 
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SWR now in very concerning mode. Control was terrible again today but again racked up the K's.
 
Well let me ask you - why does the offside rule (which very much limits player movement) exist?

I believe every rule you've brought up has been related to restricting the offense. Not one of them restricts the defense from what they do. Saying you have to put 2 guys on each side of the infield is like trying to ban the 1-3-1 in hockey. Which to be fair has been brought up in the past as well because defensive hockey is boring as hell.
 
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I believe every rule you've brought up has been related to restricting the offense. Not one of them restricts the defense from what they do. Saying you have to put 2 guys on each side of the infield is like trying to ban the 1-3-1 in hockey. Which to be fair has been brought up in the past as well because defensive hockey is boring as hell.
In basketball defenders are restricted from being in the key for more than 3 seconds unless they are guarding an opponent.
 
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In basketball defenders are restricted from being in the key for more than 3 seconds unless they are guarding an opponent.
Overt/blatant zone defenses were outlawed too.

Not that I agree with eliminating the shift as a rule. Players can effect that change naturally by taking advantage of the soft spots (if they can).
 
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The trapezoid is another example of restricting the defensive team
The "illegal defense" rule in basketball before they changed it to a defensive 3 second violation. You could only double team a player with the ball and if not, every other defender on your team had to be covering one offensive player on the other team (no zone defenses).
 
In regards to defensive positioning, I definitely think there should be a rule preventing four outfielders. It's forcing the batter to make softer contact.
 
In basketball defenders are restricted from being in the key for more than 3 seconds unless they are guarding an opponent.

Yup. Hell, I'll throw in another related example that restricts defense - goaltending. In international basketball rules, goaltending is perfectly legal, but NBA outlawed it because it favoured certain centres.
 
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