Amazing Kreiderman
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What is the alternative for the Rangers in this case? They can't loan him to a different team in the KHL
Prospect Info: Vitali Kravtsov: Part VIII
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What is the alternative for the Rangers in this case? They can't loan him to a different team in the KHL
They can loan him to a different, non-KHL club, or do nothing.
It's obviously beneficial for Kravtsov to be playing, but if he isn't loaned, he'll just be one of hundreds (thousands?) of other players contracted to North American clubs to have not played for nine months. I mean all the CHL/USHL prospects are in the same boat, college players are f***ed, and so on.
It's not like the Rangers HAVE to loan him out or he'll be at some massive disadvantage. And it's not like Traktor has a gun to the Rangers' head and can dictate terms, like it's Traktor's way or the highway.
If they don't loan him he's in the same boat as a million other guys. The Rangers don't have to do anything.
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NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
Plus he gets the old Traktor coach he had a good relationship with. I think it's important. Apparently he's a defensive systems guy too so I don't think he just lets Vitali float around the ice and do whatever.
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Calling out Nickolai Bobrov, Mikko Eloranta, Jan Gajdosik, Oto Hascak, Patric Kjellberg, Vladimir Lutchenko.
Whatever formula you all are using to evaluate players that will one day transition over to the NHL it is not working.
Time to re-evaluate.
Whatever formula you all are using to evaluate players that will one day transition over to the NHL it is not working.
Time to re-evaluate.
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Shesterkybomb
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I think any player in our system should play if they can, the NHL may not start til January or February for all we know and the KHL ends somewhere early to mid march. It does Kravtsov no good to sit at home, imo he should play if he can.
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Clearly the Rangers front office puts priority on having Kravtsov playing as soon as possible rather than getting into a pissing contest with Traktor on this point. I don’t understand why fans are making it a bigger issue. I posted earlier that timeline is working pretty well and please remember that this is not a soccer where a team that owns player’s rights can loan him to whoever.
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“Cut off your nose in spite your face” kind of option?
I'm not making a big deal of it. From my very first post I said it's good he's going to Traktor, but then I said I hope the Rangers reserve the right to recall him. That's it. I don't think he's capable of making an impact in the NHL this year anyway so it's probably irrelevant.
I just don't understand why some people take this approach that 1) if he's not loaned out, it's some horrible catastrophe, 2) Traktor is the only place he can go, and 3) Traktor holds all the leverage and the Rangers must agree to whatever they want. None of those are true in the slightest.
The rest is just an argument over whose contract supercedes whose. And, I guess, whose reporters are more legit.
It's not even that. Most North American prospects--a majority of NHL prospects--have nowhere to play until the CHL starts back up or the AHL starts up. The NCAA players have no real options. So many guys will be sitting out until their play resumes. It's not as if having Kravtsov do the same would ruin him. It's nice to have an option for him to play somewhere, but it's just that, an option. Not a requirement for future success. We haven't done anything with Reunanen, for instance. Whatever the Rangers do with their players will be done on their terms, is all.
I don't follow the league enough to know but I would guess there are a ton of guys who aren't being loaned, who are waiting for camp to start. Guys that clubs want to have battle for a spot in camp. That's just as legitimate of an option as loaning a guy out until March.
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After this post, they are feeling the heat.
Amazing Kreiderman
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I'm not making a big deal of it. From my very first post I said it's good he's going to Traktor, but then I said I hope the Rangers reserve the right to recall him. That's it. I don't think he's capable of making an impact in the NHL this year anyway so it's probably irrelevant.
I just don't understand why some people take this approach that 1) if he's not loaned out, it's some horrible catastrophe, 2) Traktor is the only place he can go, and 3) Traktor holds all the leverage and the Rangers must agree to whatever they want. None of those are true in the slightest.
The rest is just an argument over whose contract supercedes whose. And, I guess, whose reporters are more legit.
I was referring to the KHL in this case, as other leagues have limitations regarding the no of foreign players making it hard to find a good fit. Traktor owns his KHL rights, so they are the only option in the KHL.
And regarding the reporters: Yeah, I am not going to jump to any conclusions just yet. Not that it really matters. I don't see Kravtsov making the roster this season anyway
JimmyG89
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Guess Wahlstrom is a bust too because he got loaned to Europe. Got loaned to a worse league to boot.
As to this, this is the same group of people that identify many of the other prospects, including Nils Lundkvist in the same draft. So they're not good at their job, but also identified one of the best defensive prospects, if not the best, that is currently outside of the NHL. There are others too, but they've done pretty solid in Europe since this group took over.
I am not questioning the skill set of the players that this group has been recommending to be drafted since 2015/16. I am calling on their assessment of the mental maturity and desire of these prospects to leave their country, be separated from friends and family and relocate to a foreign country with all the language problems and adapt to being on their own.
I think that's fair to question, at this point.
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I can completely understand why teams are loaning our their young players and prospects.
We don’t know what next season is going to look like between the delayed openings, the AHL, College, Juniors, etc. Better to get them guaranteed playing time than sit around for possibly a year.
We don’t know what next season is going to look like between the delayed openings, the AHL, College, Juniors, etc. Better to get them guaranteed playing time than sit around for possibly a year.
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I’m more concerned how safe these players will be. The NHL and NBA are playing in bubbles yet these other leagues are ready to travel? Wave two is historically immense with a virus so i’m favoring caution until proven otherwise.
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If Kravtsov spends the entire year in the KHL, so be it. It will be good for him at this point. Let him find his confidence and comfort level again, then come over for the remainder of the NHL season whenever he is done in the KHL.
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Depending on what league you're in in Europe, the situation is under control for now. Traveling from Austria to Germany or Switzerland is no different from taking the train from New York to Boston. And that's possible without any hiccups. My girlfriend made that trip last weekend.
To fly you need a negative test no older than 48 hours. I think attendance will be limited at first but the situation the US is in now is something most European countries dealt with last May.
The 2nd wave may or may not come. Who knows. Each league will operate with the approval of their local equivalent of the CDC
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KHL President Alexei Morozov (former Pen and a legit KHL star) mentioned 131 cases of covid-19 as of the end of August (and pre-season) of which 57 recovered and returned to practicing.
Traktor reported 6 cases (without complications per B. Vidgof but take this with a load of salt) on August 24. Pre-season game on August 20 against Auto was cancelled - likely because of health related concerns.
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Covid will majorly impact next year’s draft class and the ability to scout those players, will it not? Pretty much every pick in 2021 will be a crapshoot.
Amazing Kreiderman
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It depends on where the scouts are located at this point. For the Rangers for instance, if Patric Kjellberg is already in Sweden, Mikko Eloranta in Finland etc, it should not impact our scouting that much. The only difference is that Gordie Clark and Jeff Gorton can't fly in to look at certain players
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back afta dis. . .
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nice work, ty
w/o complications is nice to hear. We just won’t want anybody dying or experience permanent lung damage.
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Are we all heavily onboard the Kravtsov choo choo train? Anyone have any lingering doubts that this guy will ultimately be a top 6 ish type forward he was touted and drafted too be?
I'm still on board and think Kravtsov will be fine and won't pull a "Lias" on us, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not having some reservations bout whether or not he'll ever be a top 6 guy. I'm thinking he might end up being a 3rd line guy and 2nd PP type guy.
Maybe I'm being a bit cynical and slightly paranoid but I'm just being honest as the vibes I'm getting aren't as positive as they were last year at this time before camp started as there was alot of hype and excitement about him. Now...not so much.
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"to" not "too". Sorry, but you've done it in like 5 posts in a row
On the topic, I've gotten to a point in my life where I try not to stress over stuff I can't control. He'll be what he'll be. I hope he ends up being a good player for us, and I think that he still can be. We'll see.
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Far too soon to know. But it's good to have a tempered expectation. I think we're expecting way too much way too soon from most of our kids.
Way more examples of players that blossom at 22 or 23 than 19 or 20. Most of the NHL is filled with the former and only a handful of the latter. Until the players have their full man-strength we just don't know what they'll be.
That said, Kravtsov is a top 6 forward if he makes it. His vision and hockey sense is very good. His skating is good. And frankly he didn't strike me as irresponsible defensively in his time in HFD.
I watched him pretty closely towards the end of his HFD season and he was the most effective forward on the ice and also the youngest. He wasnt as impactful as Chytil was down there but as a winger he often has to rely a little bit more on other players to find him. But he was noticeable. I feel pretty confident he can be an NHL player. The question for him has always been about the right development path. Personally, I think the KHL might actually be the best place for him. Ideally, I would sign Buch to a 2 year extension and leave Kravtsov in the KHL for at least one more year but more likely 2.
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