Prospect Info: Vitali Kravtsov: Part IX

[will1066]

It's a riddle.

 

[True Blue]

Until they flat out say that they won't do it.

And no, I don't want him near Quinn right now. Next year maybe there is an open spot for him to slide into but I'd rather not see him next to the likes of Howden and Rooney and then only to see him scratched in lieu of Howden just because.

Who is "they"? The players? The Rangers? When was the last time you have seen management of the Rangers be down with a move from wing to center? Maybe sometimes just looking at history is enough as opposed to an over statement? Because I not that they have also not flat out said that they are moving Lundkvist to center either, but I somehow do not see that move coming either.

When the Rangers have all centers healthy, the top 3 right now are ZBad, Strome & Chytil. Why would you believe that Howden or Rooney would be centering him? Or is your contention that he is going straight to the 4th line?

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Hartford's playing like an NFL schedule, a game every week, there's no real point in sending anyone there

 

[duhmetreE]

This would be his d+3 year... would that make him our most 'developed' 1st round forward since Kreider?

 

[NYR Viper]

This would be his d+3 year... would that make him our most 'developed' 1st round forward since Kreider?

I believe so, yes

 

[romba]

This would be his d+3 year... would that make him our most 'developed' 1st round forward since Kreider?

Chytil too as well, and he’s def more ‘developed’ too, skills not age

 

[romba]

So VK couldn’t get his team over the hump in the playoffs (despite 3 points in 4 games), but lemme guess, he was a ‘passenger’ for his team’s good regular season

 

[bl02]

So VK couldn’t get his team over the hump in the playoffs (despite 3 points in 4 games), but lemme guess, he was a ‘passenger’ for his team’s good regular season

Was certainly not a passenger and he played well and his development was on an upward trajectory which is why I want him to stay in the KHL. Problem is now he comes over here and is gonna have to face teams like the caps and bruins and islanders on a nightly basis. Huge difference. I still don’t think he has the physical strength to play at this level and in this division

 

[CupSeeker]

So VK couldn’t get his team over the hump in the playoffs (despite 3 points in 4 games), but lemme guess, he was a ‘passenger’ for his team’s good regular season

there is no harm in giving him a shot with the big club once he gets here; plenty of guys who deserve to be scratched.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kravtsov is a top-six talent — elite, really — who needs commensurate ice time and complementary linemates right from the get-go. With Artemi Panarin rejoining the lineup, and that should be no later than Saturday afternoon against the Bruins, the Rangers would be able to present three alternate first lines once Kravtsov joins the band.

Because the Rangers could keep their current top two lines intact featuring Mika Zibanejad between Alexis Lafreniere and Pavel Buchnevich on one unit, Ryan Strome between Chris Kreider and Kaapo Kakko on the other, and then present another unit with Panarin and Kravtsov flanking Filip Chytil. Presuming Chytil’s hand mends well enough in the next couple of weeks that he can slide back into the middle, this is exactly the way David Quinn should go.

No one should make the mistake of thinking that Kravtsov is a finished product or that he won’t have much to learn at both ends of the ice in adapting to the small rink and the NHL game. The best way for him to learn it is by throwing him into the deep end of the pool with Panarin as his lifeguard.

Rangers need to give Vitali Kravtsov major role upon his return

that was my initial thought. Panarin Chytil Kravtsov... make it so

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So VK couldn’t get his team over the hump in the playoffs (despite 3 points in 4 games), but lemme guess, he was a ‘passenger’ for his team’s good regular season

According to PB, who claims to watch every game (even though they start at 10 AM so he doesn't work or go to school apparently) Kravtsov's season was mediocre.

I expected more from him but I would not consider his season mediocre. He had a good season, with a steady increase in production once again

 

[Trxjw]

Brooks basically writing a fluff piece to set him up for coaching criticisms as soon as Kravtsov comes over. He needs to earn a spot in the top-9 just like every other kid on the roster.

 

[Raspewtin]

Brooks basically writing a fluff piece to set him up for coaching criticisms as soon as Kravtsov comes over. He needs to earn a spot in the top-9 just like every other kid on the roster.

I agree but I also wonder if Brooks is going for a "lost season" angle and that we should pump up the kids with as much icetime in those roles as we can.

 

[bl02]

According to PB, who claims to watch every game (even though they start at 10 AM so he doesn't work or go to school apparently) Kravtsov's season was mediocre.

I expected more from him but I would not consider his season mediocre. He had a good season, with a steady increase in production once again

I watched about 80 percent of his games and he wasn’t mediocre. You can tell he made progress at both ends of the ice to go along with his offensive gifts. Having said that if people think he’s gonna come over here in a few weeks and put up big points I think they are gonna be disappointed

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I watched about 80 percent of his games and he wasn’t mediocre. You can tell he made progress at both ends of the ice to go along with his offensive gifts. Having said that if people think he’s gonna come over here in a few weeks and put up big points I think they are gonna be disappointed

I think the expectations should be similar to what Gauthier has been doing production-wise. If he plays 23 games, I would consider him getting 10 points a big success with this dump-and-chase, zero-creativity style of hockey we play this season.

 

[Trxjw]

I agree but I also wonder if Brooks is going for a "lost season" angle and that we should pump up the kids with as much icetime in those roles as we can.

I mean in the first paragraph he's lamenting the lack of playoff appearances then later on flat out says this season isn't about the playoffs, but about developing kids. So I dunno.

I think the kids should get opportunities, but I don't think gifting a kid a spot is the right way to go about it. Especially when that likely means pushing Gauthier out of that 3rd RW slot and he's finally showing signs of being a quality player.

 

[bl02]

I think the expectations should be similar to what Gauthier has been doing production-wise. If he plays 23 games, I would consider him getting 10 points a big success with this dump-and-chase, zero-creativity style of hockey we play this season.

Yep. Like today’s game Kravtsov made at 3 or 4 rushes from end to end showing his terrific offensive ability. Opening up space to make passes to open players. You think that’s gonna fly over here with this stagnant offense? Lol

 

[SchneidersPretzels]

I think the expectations should be similar to what Gauthier has been doing production-wise. If he plays 23 games, I would consider him getting 10 points a big success with this dump-and-chase, zero-creativity style of hockey we play this season.

Yeah. I feel like this uninspiring, uncreative play is so typical of NYR for the last 5-10 years. The most annoying play is their signature "stretch pass" to a stationary man at the blue line, who then tries to enter the zone and may or may not have success, but if we do get in, then 80% of the time we just turn it over anyway

 

[nyr2k2]

According to PB, who claims to watch every game (even though they start at 10 AM so he doesn't work or go to school apparently) Kravtsov's season was mediocre.

I expected more from him but I would not consider his season mediocre. He had a good season, with a steady increase in production once again

Yeah I'm generally harder on Kravtsov than most, but I'd say he had a good season. Showed development in a lot of different areas, became a more complete player. I don't necessarily buy the angle that his production would be much better if not for his line mates (I use the Fast analogy there), but overall it was fine and a substantial improvement in the goal scoring category.

I was hoping he'd come out and have a Kuznetsov or Tarasenko D+3 where he was a dominant player out there every night, and he didn't, but it wasn't a bad season. And he can increase his stock further depending on what he does if/when he comes over here.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

According to PB, who claims to watch every game (even though they start at 10 AM so he doesn't work or go to school apparently) Kravtsov's season was mediocre.

I expected more from him but I would not consider his season mediocre. He had a good season, with a steady increase in production once again

Did PB's "Russian good" algorithm break?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Imo for this whole Kravtsov thing to work they have to put him with 2 good players and leave him there. No benchings, no demotions, nothing....just put him with Strome and Kreider or Panarin and Chytil and leave him there.

 

[bl02]

Imo for this whole Kravtsov thing to work they have to put him with 2 good players and leave him there. No benchings, no demotions, nothing....just put him with Strome and Kreider or Panarin and Chytil and leave him there.

We know that’s never gonna happen this year.
Also he’s gonna get zero point zero pp time. and I’m guessing he’s gonna have to force Gauthier out which is possible I guess and for what 10 min a game at best?

 

[TheDirtyH]

I mean in the first paragraph he's lamenting the lack of playoff appearances then later on flat out says this season isn't about the playoffs, but about developing kids. So I dunno.

I think the kids should get opportunities, but I don't think gifting a kid a spot is the right way to go about it. Especially when that likely means pushing Gauthier out of that 3rd RW slot and he's finally showing signs of being a quality player.

Lamenting is pretty strong. Seems to me he's just getting his word count in.

I think the subtext is that patience is the right approach, but if the development side of the season doesn't really bear fruit, then that streak becomes more ominous and less likely to end anytime soon.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Did PB's "Russian good" algorithm break?

All he does it check box-scores and write essays full of "observations" that are a dime-a-dozen and apply to 90% of players depending on how you phrase it. He should be a politician.

 

[kovazub94]

According to PB, who claims to watch every game (even though they start at 10 AM so he doesn't work or go to school apparently) Kravtsov's season was mediocre.

I expected more from him but I would not consider his season mediocre. He had a good season, with a steady increase in production once again

Definitely good season.

Excluding games he wasn't physically ready after coming back from an early season injury, he was at about 0.65PPG for the season while with good icetime and played very well on the defensive side especially in the own and the neutral zones against KHL top-tier competition. He also finished the round of playoffs leading the team with 4 points in 5 games.

And he got consistently robbed on the assist side...