Prospect Info: Vitali Kravtsov: Part IX

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I would look to trade buch while his value is high right now. he’s a really good middle 6 guy being disguised as a top 6 guy. he’s a success story as a 3rd rounder. see if you can turn him into something greater or a greater positional need.
Who cares that he was a 3rd rounder? Where does that factor into anything?

And Buchnevich is a middle 6? What third line RW gets as many points as he does? Like it or not, his production last year and what he has done this year places him as a top liner. He has 15 points in 20 games this year. That is one less than the Tkachuk brothers and 79th highest scoring skater. If you filter out the centers and the high scoring defensemen, his numbers look even better. Ditto for last year when he was a top 90 skater with 46 points in 68 games. That is top line production numbers.
Krav could be the top 6 RW with Kakko.
Of course, he COULD. That is pretty far from being a definitive. But the big question is WHEN?
 
when we were worried about having too many wingers and not drafting any centers with top 6 potential everyone was like "we can trade from positions of strength (wing) for a center" and now nobody wants to trade any of our wingers lol
That is not really what is going on. Lumping all wings, mixing them up like a pot of gumbo and stating that there is strength everywhere is not a sound argument. Including Buchnevich in a deal for Eichel would crater the right side. You really feel all that comfortable with Kakko and Blackwell being the top 2 RWs for rest of the year? And THAT confident that Kravstov will be able to produce anywhere near what Buch has been producing?

This is not about liking or not liking Eichel or what a deal for him entails. This is about seeing what the aftermath looks like, after you press that button.
 
The chances of Kravstov stepping into the line up next year and producing the way that Buchnevich has been is virtually non-existent. In fact, looking at trajectories, it would not shock me one bit if it took Kravstov another 3-4 years to develop. At a time when the team is not going to really be able to afford non-top 6 production from a starting RW.

Kravstov is far from a reason that Buchnevich is or is not extended. That is like saying that Lindgren is expendable because Zach Jones is in the system.

thats nice except for the fact that you also have panarin and kakko and kreider and lafreniere and shouldn’t expect kravtsov to be a finished product as a rookie hence why he’d play below those guys on the third line. Unless you want one of the guys above playing third line mins regularly? Because that’s what you’d be doing by keeping Buchnevich not to mention spending 5 mil on a maddeningly inconsistent winger long term
 
the two guys i see in how he handles the puck....with that wingspan, body control, and smoothness....are auston matthews and evgeny malkin. now that is not at all a projection for what i expect him to be impact/production wise. i do think it leaves the door open for him being a very high end player in the nhl - his hockey sense is really high end. but there is still a question of can he play like that in the nhl where the speed ticks up and space is closed on that much faster. it would be unrealistic to set expectations anywhere near that level, but other suggestions like buch or kuznetsov stylistically i don't see. they're all more....i'd call it frenzied...in their play. don't mean that to be insulting, they just play a bit more rushed or direct game. neither have the puck control or body control krav has. yes, he still has to prove he can do it at the nhl pace and play a game that puts him in offensive situations in the first place and of that there's no guarantee. he's just a guy to me that doesn't fit a standard projection. he may be a guy who ends up being too isn't a roster fit being he doesn't produce enough to warrant top minutes / a featured pp role and doesn't do enough anything else to stay in the lineup...i'm not ruling that out. but for me i see a guy that could really take off in the nhl with the structure skill around him. tbh i'm bullish on that, i think he has a swagger that translates. again not to say that means a malkin level, but he could be something not far off if all goes right. plus could be a great fit on the ice and in the room with laf...two guys with a ton of skill and a ton of personality
 
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thats nice except for the fact that you also have panarin and kakko and kreider and lafreniere and shouldn’t expect kravtsov to be a finished product as a rookie hence why he’d play below those guys on the third line. Unless you want one of the guys above playing third line mins regularly? Because that’s what you’d be doing by keeping Buchnevich not to mention spending 5 mil on a maddeningly inconsistent winger long term
No one is close expecting Kravstov to come close to resembling a finished product. Just like Kakko and Lafreniere are far from being finished products. The fact only reinforces that chances are excellent that Kravstov is FAR from being ready to take on top-6 minutes. And forcing him into a role that he is not remotely close to being ready for may be a recipe for disaster. Both for him and for the team.

Your $5m maddeningly inconsistent player has put up top line production last year and again this. Frankly $5m sounds like a saving. But this is a different debate.

On what line Panarin, Lafreniere and Krieder play is completely irrelevant to Kravstov as they play on the opposite side of the ice.
 
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I don't care if Vitali ends up being a 30 point 3rd line PP specialist. I just want him to be happy. Buy a nice condo outside of the city with a cabin in Connecticut and live happily ever after.
Are Rangers legally prevented from residing in NJ? I see him as being a city type. But starter city. Like Hoboken.
 
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No one is close expecting Kravstov to come close to resembling a finished product. Just like Kakko and Lafreniere are far from being finished products. The fact only reinforces that chances are excellent that is is FAR from being ready to take on top-6 minutes. And forcing him into a role that he is it remotely close to being ready for may be a recipe for disaster. Both for him and for the team.

Your $5m maddeningly inconsistent player has put up top line production last year and again this. Frankly $5m sounds like a saving. But this is a different debate.

On what line Panarin, Lafreniere and Krieder play is completely irrelevant to Kravstov as they play on the opposite side of the ice.

you love to do this but never show me the facts

please show me your line configuration that

A.doesn’t have a 5 mil/7mil/11 mil WINGER on the third line
B has kakko and Lafreniere in the top 6 with the ability to sign long term deals

Just show it to me and I’ll say ok there’s room to keep Buchnevich

that’s all you have to do akd we can stop having this same convo
 
you love to do this but never show me the facts

please show me your line configuration that

A.doesn’t have a 5 mil/7mil/11 mil WINGER on the third line
B has kakko and Lafreniere in the top 6 with the ability to sign long term deals

Just show it to me and I’ll say ok there’s room to keep Buchnevich

that’s all you have to do akd we can stop having this same convo
What in the name of anything and everything are you taking about? What friggin’ configuration ?

Panarin, Lafreniere & Krieder do not factor into a discussion about Kravstov as they all play LW. Know where Kravstov plays? RW. Those are facts.

Know who does factor into such a discussion? Buchnevich & Kakko. Know why? Because they play RW. Same position as Kravstov. Again, those are facts.

Want a configuration of how a $5m plays is not on the right side on the third line? It’s called Buch and Kakko play on the top two lines.

Not really sure as to why you keep insisting to conflate discussions about Lafreniere into these.
 
I would look to trade buch while his value is high right now. he’s a really good middle 6 guy being disguised as a top 6 guy. he’s a success story as a 3rd rounder. see if you can turn him into something greater or a greater positional need.

Krav could be the top 6 RW with Kakko.
Disagree. He’s an amazing 2nd liner and a below average to average 1st liner, especially if he’s with the right teammates.

It makes me so mad when I see him play amazing one game, and shit the bed the next (from time to time). To me, he proved that he DOES have the talent and skill to be a 1st liner. He just needs to show more consistency.

I don’t know. Maybe people expect a lot more out of top 6 players, which is understandable.
 
No one is close expecting Kravstov to come close to resembling a finished product. Just like Kakko and Lafreniere are far from being finished products. The fact only reinforces that chances are excellent that Kravstov is FAR from being ready to take on top-6 minutes. And forcing him into a role that he is not remotely close to being ready for may be a recipe for disaster. Both for him and for the team.

Your $5m maddeningly inconsistent player has put up top line production last year and again this. Frankly $5m sounds like a saving. But this is a different debate.

On what line Panarin, Lafreniere and Krieder play is completely irrelevant to Kravstov as they play on the opposite side of the ice.
And wings never switch sides for the benefit of their teams; and flourish?
 
What in the name of anything and everything are you taking about? What friggin’ configuration ?

Panarin, Lafreniere & Krieder do not factor into a discussion about Kravstov as they all play LW. Know where Kravstov plays? RW. Those are facts.

Know who does factor into such a discussion? Buchnevich & Kakko. Know why? Because they play RW. Same position as Kravstov. Again, those are facts.

Want a configuration of how a $5m plays is not on the right side on the third line? It’s called Buch and Kakko play on the top two lines.

Not really sure as to why you keep insisting to conflate discussions about Lafreniere into these.

i didn’t ask for any of this I’m asking you once again show me a configuration that works

we already know eventually kreider or Laf will have to move to right wing most likely kreider. It’s inevitable.

I ask you this all the time and you dance and dance. just show me one one configuration that works with Buchnevich here that doesn’t have a big money guy or one of our two franchise kids (Laf/Kakko) getting third line mins.
 
i didn’t ask for any of this I’m asking you once again show me a configuration that works

we already know eventually kreider or Laf will have to move to right wing most likely kreider. It’s inevitable.

I ask you this all the time and you dance and dance. just show me one one configuration that works with Buchnevich here that doesn’t have a big money guy or one of our two franchise kids (Laf/Kakko) getting third line mins.

And you never say when fitting Buchnevich under the cap becomes an issue. Is it 21-22, 22-23, 23-24 or later?
 
Imo you let someone play below where they probably should on the third line and make sure Kravstov is an NHLer before you even think about moving Buch to accommodate him.
 
And wings never switch sides for the benefit of their teams; and flourish?
The great majority of the time, no. If the player does not transition successfully, then it is not for the benefit of the team or the player. And most of the time such a transiton does not happen. COULD it happen? Sure. Chances of success? Small
 
i didn’t ask for any of this I’m asking you once again show me a configuration that works

we already know eventually kreider or Laf will have to move to right wing most likely kreider. It’s inevitable.

I ask you this all the time and you dance and dance. just show me one one configuration that works with Buchnevich here that doesn’t have a big money guy or one of our two franchise kids (Laf/Kakko) getting third line mins.
Serously? Here’s your configuration on the right. Buchnevich, Kakko. Florida them or not, I fail to see the $5m third liner on the right side that you are referring to.

YOU believe that it inevitable that Kreider or Lafreniere moves to the right side. Meanwhile in the real world, these little experiments proved to be extremely short lived. And there is no smoke or fire to support your belief that this will happen. NONE. Seems that management does not seem to support your view.

And what does the right side have to do with your discussion of Kravstov

Dude, what mother humping dance? You asked how the right side stacks up without a $5m on the third line on the right. I gave you a direct answer. Do you need it read to you?
 
Kravtsov seems to be a winger who’s comfortable playing on either side. Two seasons ago almost exclusively he was on RW and I think in Hartford last year too. This season it’s been primarily LW.
 

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